(Ex-) Cronulla players admitted drug cheats!

[Huge]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

Well if they have evidence of wrong doing then I'm sure they'll come down heavily, if not then they should **** off. This bullshit has dragged on long enough. No matter what though I won't care enough to go off about it unless it's conclusively proven that there was some systemic wrongdoing. As far as I can see ASADA has come up with **** all. No matter what , it happened a long time ago and is not worth much more thought. For as long as I can remember rugby league has been using illicit drugs, both recreationally and performance enhancing and most posters on here would be shocked to their foundations if they knew the extent of the steroids used throughout the late seventies and on into the nineties. I'll bet it continues even now.

 

[Cult]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

It was a media beat up instigated by Buzz Rothfield. Barely taken seriously by anyone.

Wait, what? Do you even believe the shit that you spew?

 

[Mr Fourex]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

I would just cop the 6 month suspension to be honest with you. It would still mean I could play the next year and hopefully a full season and also get all this behind me.

I personally feel sorry for the Sharks and their players that have been victimised by scummy club doctors and officials. If they willingly took these substances and knew what they were then it would be a different story but it seems like they had no idea what they were and took them in trust that those giving them knew what they were doing and were legal. There should still be a suspension but only a short one as they weren't aware.

Message to Queenslanders who will bring Paul Gallen into this; you guys aren't clean skinned yourselves.

 

[Mr Fourex]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

...still thinking about the Night Noodle Markets I take it?

It's a shame Gallen won an Origin. If he is indeed a systematic drug cheat, the **** didn't deserve it.

NSW should have the SOO shield stripped from them and this years series should be marked with an asterix.

 

[Porthoz]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

Anyone trying to excuse players allowing themselves to be injected with any substance, outside of specific injury treatments, has rocks in their head. There isn't a single supplement that requires injection, other than to accelerate recovery from certain types of injury.

Players know they are responsible for anything that goes into their bodies, and playing ignorant is NOT an excuse. The only excuse they could have is if they were given something different from what they were actually given, and only if they weren't capable of sourcing it themselves, such as being treated in hospital for example!

The recommendation from most doping agencies all over the world, is for professionals to source the medication/supplements themselves, so they are certain about what they are taking.

All of the above is absolutely and continuously stressed to professional sportsmen in the regular seminars they MUST attend. Once again, ignorance is not in the least an excuse

The poor unschooled players were fooled into taking illegal substances because they were too trusting doesn't fly with me. I hope they get exemplary penalties, regardless of which state they come from.

P.S. [MENTION=7803]Broncoman[/MENTION], your NSW'king crusade is getting tiresome, and getting pretty close to trolling...

 

[1910]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

I would just cop the 6 month suspension to be honest with you. It would still mean I could play the next year and hopefully a full season and also get all this behind me.

I personally feel sorry for the Sharks and their players that have been victimised by scummy club doctors and officials. If they willingly took these substances and knew what they were then it would be a different story but it seems like they had no idea what they were and took them in trust that those giving them knew what they were doing and were legal. There should still be a suspension but only a short one as they weren't aware.

Message to Queenslanders who will bring Paul Gallen into this; you guys aren't clean skinned yourselves.

Please- they're told not to take anything, they're given the list of banned things. Ignorance is no excuse and shouldn't be for any athlete.

Do you feel sorry for all the Olympic athletes that say I didn't know? If ignorance was an excuse you might as well stop testing because everyone can just say I didn't know.

 

[1910]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

What if they did ask what it was and were told it was all okay and above board ? Do you really expect players to have at their disposal a test kit to ensure that what they are receiving is in fact what they were told it was ? Or do you expect them to obtain a sample, send it away for testing before allowing it to be administered ? Do you believe players should have an up to date list of what is allowed and that which is not ? Or is it much much more likely ,and human for that matter to simply take the word of a qualified professional who has been employed by the club and have faith that what is being done is 100 % a okay ?

If you could put yourself in that position and imagine the scenario......player sits down, with only a few years of grown up life experience and in a trusting way accepts what he truly believes is a 100% legitimate treatment from someone he trusts to be a professional employed by the club, a professional in sports medicine and recovery, why would he have reason to challenge the club, his employer ?

They're given a list at the start of every season.
As well as a talk from ASADA at the start of every season.

 

[Huge]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

They're given a list at the start of every season.
As well as a talk from ASADA at the start of every season.

Yeah, and the substances weren't on the list

 

[Ari Gold]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

If memory serves Huge is a huge (pardon the pun) Sharks fan. He loved Danny Nutley more than I love Shaun Johnson and I seem to remember him going on about Jeff Robson a while ago.

It's fairly safe to assume anything he says is just him defending his team.

 

[Morkel]

Well if they have evidence of wrong doing then I'm sure they'll come down heavily, if not then they should **** off. This bullshit has dragged on long enough. No matter what though I won't care enough to go off about it unless it's conclusively proven that there was some systemic wrongdoing. As far as I can see ASADA has come up with **** all. No matter what , it happened a long time ago and is not worth much more thought. For as long as I can remember rugby league has been using illicit drugs, both recreationally and performance enhancing and most posters on here would be shocked to their foundations if they knew the extent of the steroids used throughout the late seventies and on into the nineties. I'll bet it continues even now.

Oh really? It's still going on? Quick, give Lsnce Armstrong his trophies back, and issue an apology.

And they didn't need to be specifically named on the list. IIRC someone published a snippet that said something like "just because a substance is not named, it does not make it legal". But we've already been through that loop with you.

I wonder if the list mentioned Captain America's Experimental Super Soldier Serum. IIRC that didn't go through proper channels for approval for human use either, but if it's not on the list, it wouldn't be cheating, right?

 

[ivanhungryjak]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

The media are already over blowing this saying 17 Cronulla players are being investigated. It's only 5.

Wrong again. It is 17 - only five are still at Cronulla though.

 

[Kaz]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

I personally feel sorry for the Sharks and their players that have been victimised by scummy club doctors and officials. If they willingly took these substances and knew what they were then it would be a different story but it seems like they had no idea what they were and took them in trust that those giving them knew what they were doing and were legal. There should still be a suspension but only a short one as they weren't aware.

Message to Queenslanders who will bring Paul Gallen into this; you guys aren't clean skinned yourselves.

I thought this post was an April Fools day prank, but it's not April.

Cronulla have named the players & Gallen is one of them.

Gallen has done an interview.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...z2w3YuxQNm7KKpOi6A&bvm=bv.73373277,bs.1,d.cGU

Going by what journalists are saying, players were buying this drug on the sly.

I hope you have proof about the Queensland players.

I got an infraction here a few weeks ago for calling Gallen a cheat, why because it wasn't official, didn't matter that journalists had named him from start.

 

[Huge]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

If memory serves Huge is a huge (pardon the pun) Sharks fan. He loved Danny Nutley more than I love Shaun Johnson and I seem to remember him going on about Jeff Robson a while ago.

It's fairly safe to assume anything he says is just him defending his team.

You don't think that's an illogical progression ? Because I supported the Sharks throughout the seventies and on into the eighties hardly invalidates my opinion. They were my team for 15 years but that's something I've admitted on this forum in the past. I liked Danny Nutley because he was a fantastic and under rated forward and not because he played for the Sharks. My view of him was subsequently supported by his incredible effort in the Origin game he played,the best forward on ground in a beaten side.

My view about the drug saga would be the same irrespective of the team involved.

 

[Browny]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

It was a media beat up instigated by Buzz Rothfield. Barely taken seriously by anyone.

Um what? Johns admitted he played better when pinging. Not sure if you're trolling or what

 

[Huge]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

Wrong again. It is 17 - only five are still at Cronulla though.

It is shitty journalism, 5 Cronulla players and 12 ex Cronulla players have been named. That would be accurate because 17 Cronulla players is factually incorrect.

 

[Ari Gold]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

It is shitty journalism, 5 Cronulla players and 12 ex Cronulla players have been named. That would be accurate because 17 Cronulla players is factually incorrect.

It's not shitty journalism. They are all under investigation for what happened at Cronulla. It's a much more accurate description than to sensationalize the matter by saying players from 3 NRL clubs are under investigation by ASADA.

The very fact you bring this up just goes to show how biased you are on the matter.

 

[Harry Sack]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

Oh really? It's still going on? Quick, give Lsnce Armstrong his trophies back, and issue an apology.

And they didn't need to be specifically named on the list. IIRC someone published a snippet that said something like "just because a substance is not named, it does not make it legal". But we've already been through that loop with you.

I wonder if the list mentioned Captain America's Experimental Super Soldier Serum. IIRC that didn't go through proper channels for approval for human use either, but if it's not on the list, it wouldn't be cheating, right?

What ever happened to Lsnce? Hope he didn't go the same way as Lamce.....

I'll hold my judgement on the whole thing until the penalties are handed down personally. I will say that I think they need to be very careful here, they could set a rather dangerous precedent. I also don't think WADA would be too impressed with lite suspensions.

 

[badyon]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

No surprises here. The issue will be what is the best long term response by the NRL.

Both NSW and QLD origin players have been done for PEDs in the past, and, unfortunately it is likely it will happen in the future. There is, pretty much, no professional sport (where PEDs make a difference), where PEDs aren't, if not rife, then at least a major part of elite competition. The incentives and rewards for users are far higher than the detection agencies receive, add technology and this divergence will just continue.

In the NFL, PEDs are, basically, a reality in every key position outside of QB and kickers, and even here they can show up. There isn't any key power position in NFL that hasn't receive an illegal substance ban in the past five years.

I've already had enough infractions, on this forum, on this subject, so enough said..