PRE-GAME Finals Week 1 - Eels vs Broncos

winslow_wong

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I still reckon it's further in than either Kotoni or Isaako. It's Turps. More often than not he comes in, probably bc he's used to defending in the middle. He double-teams the man inside him, so Gillett/Staggs/Isaako all have to come in. That's why we immediately look so much better when we have ANYONE else playing #7 - they aim up one-on-one. I love Turps, but he's mostly responsible for our defensive issues on the right IMO.

Having said that though, we're not sliding quick enough in either direction. I have heart palpitations every time our opposition shift the ball outside the middle third of the field, because more often than not, we're short.

Both sides.

Every.
Fucking.
Time.
They have arguably the best wingers in the game so I’m expecting either isaako or Oates to get a bath by their opposing wingers
 

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I still reckon it's further in than either Kotoni or Isaako. It's Turps. More often than not he comes in, probably bc he's used to defending in the middle. He double-teams the man inside him, so Gillett/Staggs/Isaako all have to come in. That's why we immediately look so much better when we have ANYONE else playing #7 - they aim up one-on-one. I love Turps, but he's mostly responsible for our defensive issues on the right IMO.

Having said that though, we're not sliding quick enough in either direction. I have heart palpitations every time our opposition shift the ball outside the middle third of the field, because more often than not, we're short.

Both sides.

Every.
Fucking.
Time.
To be honest, I think it's a mixture of all of them being fairly poor defensively. Turpin is the least experienced, but Isaako has a huge history of coming in off his wing in his tiny career so far too. Staggs I'm unsure of yet, I seem to recall him making bad reads in defence even when Turpin wasn't in the halves, but can't remember 100%.
 

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I still reckon it's further in than either Kotoni or Isaako. It's Turps. More often than not he comes in, probably bc he's used to defending in the middle. He double-teams the man inside him, so Gillett/Staggs/Isaako all have to come in. That's why we immediately look so much better when we have ANYONE else playing #7 - they aim up one-on-one. I love Turps, but he's mostly responsible for our defensive issues on the right IMO.

Having said that though, we're not sliding quick enough in either direction. I have heart palpitations every time our opposition shift the ball outside the middle third of the field, because more often than not, we're short.

Both sides.

Every.
Fucking.
Time.
I agree. I have said on another thread, last time we played parra, our right side looked more secure when macca was defending in the halves after turpin got binned, and that was with 12 on the field
 

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I fear our only real path to victory is if Fifita and Haas activate beast mode with support from Lodge, get a bit fancy with offloads and Seibold allows Milf to actually sniff around for them like he did in his Canberra days.

It relies on a couple of young studs playing way beyond their ages (they have shown they’re more than capable though), but otherwise it’s a pretty simple plan and could actually work.

If nothing else, splitting them up the middle constantly will likely provide opportunities to score elsewhere - so long as we don’t then go on to **** them up.
 
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Anthony Milford (pic) has to play five-eighth for the Broncos says foundation fullback Colin Scott.

Anthony Milford (pic) has to play five-eighth for the Broncos says foundation fullback Colin Scott.

As much as he loves Brisbane, club great Colin Scott fears the Broncos won't advance in the NRL finals series unless they push Corey Oates into the centres and Anthony Milford back to five-eighth.
Inaugural 1988 Brisbane fullback Scott believes the Broncos have the team on paper to threaten the best ahead of Sunday's NRL elimination final against Parramatta at Bankwest Stadium.

But he has urged coach Anthony Seibold to re-jig his backline.
Scott admitted he was not a fan of skipper Darius Boyd switching from fullback to pivot mid-season and hoped Milford would soon don the No.6 jersey again.

"I think fullback Anthony Milford is a great player but I believe he is a better five-eighth," Scott told AAP.
"He has played some good games at fullback but he has to make himself more available and ensure he has his hands on the ball more.
"And Corey Oates is another. He can bust tackles and score tries from anywhere.
"I would have moved him into the centres. Like Milford, he has to be more involved if Brisbane are to succeed in this finals series."
Boyd has copped criticism since moving into the playmaking role mid-season, with some even demanding he retire at season's end - two years before his Broncos contract expires.
Scott did not want to put more pressure on Boyd but admitted it was time for the Broncos veteran to deliver if he was to remain at five-eighth.
"Now is the time to stand up. This is a big test for him. He's been around, he's done it all - he is one of the guys I am looking at to lead the side around.
"And if he can help them knock over the Eels, you never know what can happen."
Seibold copped plenty of flack from the Broncos old boys after favourite son Kevin Walters was brushed and the ex-South Sydney coach took over the reins from foundation mentor Wayne Bennett in 2019.
While Scott backed Seibold, he admitted the former Rabbitohs mentor would have to inspire greatness if the Broncos were to end their longest title drought and win their first premiership since 2006 judging by their last round 30-14 loss to lowly Canterbury.
"I look at them one week and they can play some great football and the next the same effort is not there," he said.
"I have got a lot of respect for Anthony Seibold. Everything I hear about him is that he is a great player coach and I played under some of the best like Wayne Bennett.
"But I think the players have to look at themselves. If they don't turn up for each other then they are not going to win.

"And from last week's performance (against Bulldogs) I am thinking this will be their last game."

He comments Boyd should get more involved but interestingly doesn’t offer a new position for him after saying he prefers Milf at 6.
 
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The standard changed during the Henjak/Hook era when a powerhouse club was reduced to mere mortals and mediocrity was accepted as a "the future is bright" slogan. Bennett returned and the club became instant contenders again despite him stating that it would take him five years to mop up the mess that Hook left behind.

Bennett has now moved on and now we are back to the stage where Hook left it in 2014. Run again by incompetents who are again staining the legendary status of the club and all with the same promise for a brighter future.

Many of today's diehard fans weren't around in the hearty days of the 90's and 2000's and have no idea of the standards set during those eras. The older diehards like myself are rare because many aren't near as passionate anymore or have ditched the game completely. That just leaves the younger modern fan who easily accept mediocrity in the hope that the future yields a dynasty. A dynasty may occur in the future but the current admin and coaching crew will be long gone.
Yeah right. Everyone's incompetent except you and your rareness.
 

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Oates to centre? Oates is a powerful runner and could run centre lines but as much as i like him, he is as dumb as a post. He makes poor defensive reads on the wing, let alone putting him in centre which is arguably one of the most difficult positions to defend.
 

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The standard changed during the Henjak/Hook era when a powerhouse club was reduced to mere mortals and mediocrity was accepted as a "the future is bright" slogan. Bennett returned and the club became instant contenders again despite him stating that it would take him five years to mop up the mess that Hook left behind.

Bennett has now moved on and now we are back to the stage where Hook left it in 2014. Run again by incompetents who are again staining the legendary status of the club and all with the same promise for a brighter future.

Many of today's diehard fans weren't around in the hearty days of the 90's and 2000's and have no idea of the standards set during those eras. The older diehards like myself are rare because many aren't near as passionate anymore or have ditched the game completely. That just leaves the younger modern fan who easily accept mediocrity in the hope that the future yields a dynasty. A dynasty may occur in the future but the current admin and coaching crew will be long gone.
What would you recommend the “ incompetents” do differently to guarantee a shift back into godly realms?
 

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Well said. I've been a Broncos supporter since the early 90's and I grew up in Sydney. I remember the days when every team and their fans hated us because we were simply way too good. I remember the days of excellence and the highest possible standards. Barely making the 8 back then would of been an absolute disaster. Today? It's accepted as successful.

I will never buy into that and in my opinion that is what is killing the club. I have no doubt Seibs and the organisation want to win and succeed but part of our winning culture has eroded because standards have dropped. We have excuses. "Oh, it's a young team, we are building, wait a few more years and we'll be great!" - there are no guarantees. We need to be successful now and also plan for the future. Why are the Roosters and Melbourne so good at this but we aren't? It's not that it's impossible it's because the people at the Broncos haven't got "it", whatever "it" is which is excellence, extremely high standards and a take no shit mentality.
I also remember those years fondly but also with a bit of reality. It was different times with different rules. Different interchange, different salary cap and a time when players took unders for success. Those teams were packed with internationals and state players.

Its fine to point out the Roosters and Melbourne but one is a 100+ year club with a history of not winning a comp for two decades 1975 to 2004 and the other has a history of cap rorting.

The broncos are a young franchise who had great early success based of a period of elite local talent. A downturn is natural as times change. A upswing is expected from us and I actually see it happening. But a lot has to go right.

This team was shocking at the start. There has been improvement. People have thought we could be spoon worthy and also no chance of finals. The boys turned it around and got there. That is a pass for me. If they go deeper it will be a success. Not from expectations but from what the season ended up being and how it turned out.
 

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Full match replay of the 2001 Preliminary Final between Broncos and Eels on Kayo in the Rugby League Classic Matches section.
 

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Oates to centre? Oates is a powerful runner and could run centre lines but as much as i like him, he is as dumb as a post. He makes poor defensive reads on the wing, let alone putting him in centre which is arguably one of the most difficult positions to defend.
Oates has been defending for bad/injured centres his whole career. He could not be worse than Copley, Moga, Shiba, Boyd. He's not as dumb as you make out either. He runs good lines when he comes in field. He's put a handy kick through once or twice.
I think it's a good idea. It gets him out from under the high ball and we can try Farnworth on the wing.
 

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He comments Boyd should get more involved but interestingly doesn’t offer a new position for him after saying he prefers Milf at 6.
Every old boy and their dog has an opinion on what this team needs. They all emerge out of the no where when we lose too.
 

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Oates has been defending for bad/injured centres his whole career. He could not be worse than Copley, Moga, Shiba, Boyd. He's not as dumb as you make out either. He runs good lines when he comes in field. He's put a handy kick through once or twice.
I think it's a good idea. It gets him out from under the high ball and we can try Farnworth on the wing.
To the contrary; Oates really is as dumb as people make him out to be. His nickname at the club was (still is?) brains.

Ans TBF, Shibasaki hasn’t proven good in attack in FG, but credit where it’s due, the kid knows how to defend at centre. Boyd too for that matter. His defence since moving to 6 has been pretty good, bar being made to look the fool by Ramien. He also well and truly acquitted himself well at centre for QLD.

The OP suggests Oates would be a liability in defence at centre and I personally think they are right.
 

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Every old boy and their dog has an opinion on what this team needs. They all emerge out of the no where when we lose too.
And they're all different ...

For example Gary Belcher reckons Milf should remain at fullback for the rest of his career
 

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