NEWS Footy Show legend slams Seibold

[rnabokov]

Finding easy targets is par for the course for journos looking to sell news.

Perspective here, as far as our dire predicament is important. We have been gradually declining for years. Bennett's legacy has a lot to do with that, both as a coach, and, in the way the club disposed of him. Both those for mine explain in large part the decline of Milford and Boyd. Excellent man manager he may well be however Bennett's coaching methods no longer cut it, not do JD's which explains why Souths will NEVER reach the level of the Storm, Roosters, Eels, Penrith or to a lesser extent, Raiders. On top of that there are serious questions about our player development, recruitment and retention, things that can't be subject to a quick fix via a new coach.

The Storm last night showed me what it's all about: a team that plays like a well oiled machine no matter who is in it. They have had years to develop that style of play. They can execute blindfolded. There is always someone in position to take the pass, always someone running in support. Equally, their defence, almost perfect execution.

To expect Seibold to achieve that level of cohesion in 18 months, given the shambles we have been becoming is utterly unrealistic. He has shortcomings and is accountable for them. He may not be the coach we need, but to crucify him mercilessly is unfair and misses the point, and, by doing so, ignores the totality of reasons why we are as bad as we are.

Whoever replaces Seibold will take at least 2 years IMO to show significant signs of improvement before we even approach the level of the top sides, particularly given the "new" post COVID game, like the absence of lower grade competitions. We need patience as part of our regime change

 

[Locky888]

I have no doubt MILF will improve significantly in 2021 only because he's playing for a 2022+ contract. Best time to sell him will be after the first few rounds next season when his stock value peaks. Sell him before the 2021 season starts and you're selling at the bottom of the market.
On the other hand, just sell him off now, take a larger loss if you want to fast track and build/develop a new halves combo for the future.

 

[broncsgoat]

Finding easy targets is par for the course for journos looking to sell news.

Perspective here, as far as our dire predicament is important. We have been gradually declining for years. Bennett's legacy has a lot to do with that, both as a coach, and, in the way the club disposed of him. Both those for mine explain in large part the decline of Milford and Boyd. Excellent man manager he may well be however Bennett's coaching methods no longer cut it, not do JD's which explains why Souths will NEVER reach the level of the Storm, Roosters, Eels, Penrith or to a lesser extent, Raiders. On top of that there are serious questions about our player development, recruitment and retention, things that can't be subject to a quick fix via a new coach.

The Storm last night showed me what it's all about: a team that plays like a well oiled machine no matter who is in it. They have had years to develop that style of play. They can execute blindfolded. There is always someone in position to take the pass, always someone running in support. Equally, their defence, almost perfect execution.

To expect Seibold to achieve that level of cohesion in 18 months, given the shambles we have been becoming is utterly unrealistic. He has shortcomings and is accountable for them. He may not be the coach we need, but to crucify him mercilessly is unfair and misses the point, and, by doing so, ignores the totality of reasons why we are as bad as we are.

Whoever replaces Seibold will take at least 2 years IMO to show significant signs of improvement before we even approach the level of the top sides, particularly given the "new" post COVID game, like the absence of lower grade competitions. We need patience as part of our regime change

He's taken a team that was one win off minor premiership into a spoon contender in 18 months. We have won fewer games in nearly two seasons than we did in Bennett's final year. He deserves to be drawn and quartered in the middle of Lang Park.

 

[Huge]

People tried to say I didn’t call it early and Huge, bless him found evidence to the contrary.

Still doesn't stop you kicking me in the nuts!

 

[broncsgoat]

Still doesn't stop you kicking me in the nuts!

Tbh I rarely notice who I'm posting at, just the post lol

 

[McHunt]

Milfs game was evolving under Bennett, in fact in his last year as our coach milf was our best player. Who knows where milf would be at if the career killing pie eater didn’t take over.

Hardly. Bennett struggled to find a combination that worked. His inflated salary, making him safe, was always the problem.

As for the others, we need to look after Macca and Lexy, neither of whom we need as players. If Newcastle won't keep Macca, even with a subsidy, we should ask to him "retire," to get off him off the cap, but switch him to payroll on his contract amount. I'd plonk him in a Kia, courtesy of the sponsor and point him north west to find the next generation of indigenous talent. He'd be perfect in that role. Everyone wins.

 

[rnabokov]

He's taken a team that was one win off minor premiership into a spoon contender in 18 months. We have won fewer games in nearly two seasons than we did in Bennett's final year. He deserves to be drawn and quartered in the middle of Lang Park.

The writing was on the wall when the Dragons dismantled us in '18. That for mine, marked the beginning of our end, and the "new" post COVID game + the 6 Again Rule was the nail in the coffin that was our game which peaked under Bennett in say, 2015. It's been a slow decline since. Our shitty recruitment, retention and player development exposed us badly. We never recovered. Now it shows more than ever.

Simply looking at Results on the scoreboard in isolation of the context simply show the importance of that context.

 

[rnabokov]

Hardly. Bennett struggled to find a combination that worked. His inflated salary, making him safe, was always the problem.

As for the others, we need to look after Macca and Lexy, neither of whom we need as players. If Newcastle won't keep Macca, even with a subsidy, we should ask to him "retire," to get off him off the cap, but switch him to payroll on his contract amount. I'd plonk him in a Kia, courtesy of the sponsor and point him north west to find the next generation of indigenous talent. He'd be perfect in that role. Everyone wins.

Bennett had that combination with Hunt and Milford. It worked and worked really well, until he started tinkering with what worked. He tried to fix what wasn't broke. The rest is history

 

[broncsgoat]

The writing was on the wall when the Dragons dismantled us in '18. That for mine, marked the beginning of our end, and the "new" post COVID game + the 6 Again Rule was the nail in the coffin that was our game which peaked under Bennett in say, 2015. It's been a slow decline since. Our shitty recruitment, retention and player development exposed us badly. We never recovered. Now it shows more than ever.

Simply looking at Results on the scoreboard in isolation of the context simply show the importance of that context.

Yeah the dragons game was a wreck, especially considering in the preceding weeks we beat two top four sides. Both of which were for the second time beating them that year. There was more to be excited about that team than I believe this forum gives credit, which is why we were so heavily fancied by some leading into 19.

 

[bazza]

Milfs game was evolving under Bennett, in fact in his last year as our coach milf was our best player. Who knows where milf would be at if the career killing pie eater didn’t take over.

Evolving it was not. Changing, perhaps. For the better, not quite. Bennett tried to turn a fleet-footed, agile and instinctive runner of the ball, into an overweight, organising and game managing type half, instead of going out an buying one. Completely stripped him of any of the attributes that made him a good player.

With the added weight he has put on, he now lacks any of that explosive speed and his footwork is no longer effective. He was never allowed the chance to learn the game at his own pace, and it's ruined his development. He may have learnt to become a controlling half, similar to the way Benji has developed that over the years, but forcing it on him at such an early stage of his career, was the wrong play. We lost some valuable years of having a dynamic running half by trying to turn him into a halfback.

Now we are stuck with someone who is not good enough to be a game managing half, simply because it is unnatural for him, and in the process we have lost the only positive attributes he would otherwise bring to a football team.

 

[Huge]

Bennett had that combination with Hunt and Milford. It worked and worked really well, until he started tinkering with what worked. He tried to fix what wasn't broke. The rest is history

Mmm, bit of revisionist history here! In my opinion Hunt never recovered and the only reason he's improved a little is because he ran away from the glare. Hunt was occasionally ok while still in Brisbane but I believe he never publicly took ownership of his role in losing us the gf and had he done so I think he'd be here and leading. I think it was a bit weak. Ultimately I believe we are suffering because of the shoddy end to WBs time.

 

[rnabokov]

Mmm, bit of revisionist history here! In my opinion Hunt never recovered and the only reason he's improved a little is because he ran away from the glare. Hunt was occasionally ok while still in Brisbane but I believe he never publicly took ownership of his role in losing us the gf and had he done so I think he'd be here and leading. I think it was a bit weak. Ultimately I believe we are suffering because of the shoddy end to WBs time.

Not revisionist at all, but the benefit of hindsight, analysing facts in their historical context, not re-writing what was, and is, always already there. Hunt was brilliant in '14 and '15. His GF **** up certainly scarred him and he suffered the consequences of ignoring a blip in his game and running away from it chasing cash in the hope it would salve his ego.

And Hunt losing the GF for us? Bullshit. We lost only because of bad luck and freakish play at the death of that game.

 

[broncsgoat]

Not revisionist at all, but the benefit of hindsight, analysing facts in their historical context, not re-writing what was, and is, always already there. Hunt was brilliant in '14 and '15. His GF **** up certainly scarred him and he suffered the consequences of ignoring a blip in his game and running away from it chasing cash in the hope it would salve his ego.

And Hunt losing the GF for us? Bullshit. We lost only because of bad luck and freakish play at the death of that game.

And hunt spear tackling a bloke and dropping the ball.

That said, our whole team just hung off JT or got bumped by him in the lead up to the Feldt try, at least I think that happened i always turn away when it comes onto the TV.

 

[Broncapz]

And Hunt losing the GF for us? Bullshit. We lost only because of bad luck and freakish play at the death of that game.

That's just wrong.

If Hunt is injured and we play with 12 man right before that spear tackle. We win.

Hunt gives away a penalty. Loses the ball after the Milf break and then knocks the ball on after the kick off.

 

[rnabokov]

That's just wrong.

If Hunt is injured and we play with 12 man right before that spear tackle. We win.

Hunt gives away a penalty. Loses the ball after the Milf break and then knocks the ball on after the kick off.

Hunt certainly contributed to that tragic loss for the reasons you rightly point out. I just don't think he was for responsible for it. That loss was a combination of factors of which Hunt was a part. Blaming a part for the whole is IMO incorrect. Mind you, at the time, I certainly did blame him until wiser heads prevailed and I took their advice.

 

[Broncapz]

Hunt certainly contributed to that tragic loss for the reasons you rightly point out. I just don't think he was for responsible for it. That loss was a combination of factors of which Hunt was a part. Blaming a part for the whole is IMO incorrect. Mind you, at the time, I certainly did blame him until wiser heads prevailed and I took their advice.

The same way water is a part of drowning. As in if it's not there, you dont' drown. Hunt is off the field for the last 5 minutes, we win.

 

[Jedhead]

The same way water is a part of drowning. As in if it's not there, you dont' drown. Hunt is off the field for the last 5 minutes, we win.

But he was part of a team so using your analogy it would only have been a splash of water left on the sideline the rest of the water was still there to drown you. So many what ifs. What if big Sammy hadn't fell for JT's dummy, what if Oates made the tackle on Feldt instead of coming in field, what if Macca had passed to Parker when he was wide open with the line only a metre away?

The team was wot lost it. And that loss has haunted a few of the players ever since.

 

[winslow_wong]

All this 2015 grand final debate again is bringing back my eye twitch.