Four Nations Finals Discussion..

[Coxy]

No. It's not.

If someone kicks it and it hits an opposition players leg, they aren't playing at the ball if they simply happened to be in the way. Same thing here. If you're leg or knee happens to be in the way, and you don't deliberately kick the ball it's a knock on. You see it every week. Even though it's not spellt out in the rule book the way you want it to be, it's a knock on. It's common bloody sense!!!!

lol

theres a difference between being on the defending team and being on the attacking team lol. if youre on the defending team and you hit it towards the attackers tryline, its a knock-on. if youre on the attacking team and do the same its a knock-back.

if youre the ball carrier, or attempting to catch a bomb like slater was, youre playing at the ball - even your legs. if someone jumped to catch a bomb and hit the ball with their legs and the kicking team got it back, it would be 6 again - correct?

also, if the act of kicking had to be deliberate, why would they have specifically said that a kick can be with any part of your leg between your knee and toes inclusive, excluding heel? why would they say that, are they expecting people to do DELIBERATE kicks with their calf muscle? no, but if it hits there when you drop it, its counted as a kick.

you can argue all you want, but i have the rule book on my side. it does not specifically say deliberate, or anything of the sort. rule books tend to point these things out, since thats the whole point of the rule book in the first place.

I was of the impression, from past rulings I've seen, that if the leg is in the way, the player who has dropped it, is lucky the leg was there, as it is then deemed a kick.

correct. its happened plenty of times before and it will happen again and be correctly called play on.

Mate, you're wrong. You can interpret the rulebook that way if you wish, but for 102 years if you are trying to catch a ball like that, and fail to control it, it's a knock on, even if it happens to hit your leg on the way down. I can't believe you're serious about trying to argue otherwise.

 

[The Brizz]

AP has stepped up the unwavering bias in this one lol! It is a knock on, clear as day. Claiming it is a kick is just retarded.

 

[Porthoz]

no shit he screwed up! but you guys are carrying on like he killed ur mum, when he just dropped a **** ball or 2. get over it and move on. its not as if he passed the ball to the opposition in goals and they scored a try. its not as if he head highed someone and got sent off. they were just simple mistakes ANYONE could make. im glad u guys arent coaches or selectors or we wouldnt have any players play more than 2 games before they get dropped for fumbling a pass. he didnt play over the top orsm, nor did he play dreadfully. neither did anyone in the green and gold. but to say he chokes at big games is just laughable, he was arguably our best player all origin series, and thats proof enough

Oh, FFS! Who mentioned anything about dropping him? :shock:
He was dreadful this game, sh!t happens, live with it!

No internet for you... [eusa_naugh

 

[QUEENSLANDER]

Why is it these moron Storm fans won't let anyone criticize Slater for mistakes he makes in games and how he struggles in big games like the Four nations finals, while they seem to criticize all Broncos players wishing we could swap them for players who play for the Storm...

im not saying slater doesnt deserve criticism for the game. he was well below his best BUT, and heres the bit you're obviously struggling to understand, it wasnt his fault we lost the game and the calls from ppl saying he struggles in big matches is nonsense. he is playing arguably the toughest position in league, and he plays it at the highest level so every now and then he will make mistakes. lockyer still has quiet and well below his best games even nowadays, it doesnt matter, you cant perform 100% all the time! lockyer used to do the same at fullback, but that doesnt stop him from going down as a legend in the fullback spot, and so it shouldnt.

 

[QUEENSLANDER]

no shit he screwed up! but you guys are carrying on like he killed ur mum, when he just dropped a **** ball or 2. get over it and move on. its not as if he passed the ball to the opposition in goals and they scored a try. its not as if he head highed someone and got sent off. they were just simple mistakes ANYONE could make. im glad u guys arent coaches or selectors or we wouldnt have any players play more than 2 games before they get dropped for fumbling a pass. he didnt play over the top orsm, nor did he play dreadfully. neither did anyone in the green and gold. but to say he chokes at big games is just laughable, he was arguably our best player all origin series, and thats proof enough

Oh, FFS! Who mentioned anything about dropping him? :shock:
He was dreadful this game, sh!t happens, live with it!

No internet for you... [eusa_naugh

haha now he was dreadful? **** you must be a harsh marker.

 

[Big Pete]

the calls from ppl saying he struggles in big matches is nonsense.

Well then explain Origin 2005, 2008, 2009 and the World Cup final?

Hell, even when he won the CC medal he ended up coming up with a pressure drop.

This was definitely more than just a one off, Slater has a history of these sort of performances.

 

[OXY-351]

Oh, FFS! Who mentioned anything about dropping him?

Billy wouldn't get dropped, he'd get kicked out.

 

[mrslong]

the calls from ppl saying he struggles in big matches is nonsense.

Well then explain Origin 2005, 2008, 2009 and the World Cup final?

Hell, even when he won the CC medal he ended up coming up with a pressure drop.

This was definitely more than just a one off, Slater has a history of these sort of performances.

He's like Benji Marshall, in order to make the big plays they have to go at 100 miles an hour and chance their arm, inevitably coming up with one or two mistakes....but the 95% of the plays they do pull off are epic and it's worth the 5% of mistakes.

 

[Coxy]

Yeah. I've been critical of Slater in the past, but seriously, some people need to get a grip. Sure, Slater makes some crucial mistakes, but have you also forgotten the number of times he's been there for the match winning play?

Even in the final on Saturday, he dropped that bomb, but on the next set he picked up a very tricky grubber kick cleanly to release the pressure. He made up for his mistake.

He'd be one of the first players I'd pick in any QLD or Australian team I select.

 

[Anonymous person]

the calls from ppl saying he struggles in big matches is nonsense.

Well then explain Origin 2005, 2008, 2009 and the World Cup final?

Hell, even when he won the CC medal he ended up coming up with a pressure drop.

This was definitely more than just a one off, Slater has a history of these sort of performances.

youre an absolute joke [icon_lol1.

 

[Big Pete]

and you're in denial AP.

 

[Anonymous person]

and you're in denial AP.

Slaters won every award under the sun - and should have a dally m to his name - and is a noted superstar of our game, who many call the best fullback theyve ever seen, and one of the best athletes/players the games ever seen........yet big ol pete from the broncos forum thinks hes a choker when it comes to big matches, so of course big pete must be right [icon_lol1.

for every mistake he makes, he makes up for it with 10 things that only he couldve done. who cares if he drops a ball every now and then when hes scoring a length of the field solo try or comes flying through in support to score the matchwinner in a state of origin? big pete does apparently, cause noone thats ever worn the storm jersey can be good enough for pete.

 

[Big Pete]

Slaters won every award under the sun - and should have a dally m to his name - and is a noted superstar of our game, who many call the best fullback theyve ever seen, and one of the best athletes/players the games ever seen........yet big ol pete from the broncos forum thinks hes a choker when it comes to big matches, so of course big pete must be right [icon_lol1.

Aren't you noted for bagging out Lockyer and Bennett? One is regarded as a future immortal another the best coach of all time?

for every mistake he makes, he makes up for it with 10 things that only he couldve done.

[icon_lol1. please, in the games I listed a number of fullbacks could've come up with the positive plays Billy did.

cause noone thats ever worn the storm jersey can be good enough for pete.

That comment just proves how big a joke you are. When have I ever shown an anti-Storm agenda?

 

[Anonymous person]

Aren't you noted for bagging out Lockyer and Bennett? One is regarded as a future immortal another the best coach of all time?

lol completely different.

Slater is widely regarded as being in a purple patch in his career, at the top of his game for the last few years INCLUDING 2010. Lockyer and Bennett? theyre both on their last legs. sure they can still perform, but theyre nowhere near what they used to be. you wouldnt find me saying lockyer wasnt the best player running around in 2001, because he was. now? no, Lockyers not the best player in the NRL.

 

[Big Pete]

lol completely different.

Not at all, your point was that Slater shouldn't be criticised because of all these plaudits, both Bennett and Lockyer have received the exact same plaudits (hell even higher) yet it hasn't stopped you (quite rightly at times too) from criticising them.

Any player has a right to be judged, just because they've had some great performances in the past doesn't make them immune.

theyre both on their last legs. sure they can still perform, but theyre nowhere near what they used to be.

[icon_lol1. yep Bennett is no longer the coach he was...yet he just won a premiership.

Lockyer still had a good season, played a big part in the Broncos revival (and losing him played a big part in their demise) and Queensland's dominance.

 

[Nashy]

Make a Slater thread if you wish to continue the discussion about Slater guys. The merry go round isn't fun for everyone remember.

 

[Charmamba]

This forum makes me hate slater even more. Can we just censor his name?

 

[Aeetee]

And thats all she wrote folks, thanks for the entertaining merry go round, But this thread is dead. So fyi peeps we have a PM function feel free to man up and use it is you will, or be real brave and wryte an article for the front page and submit it and we'll see if we can get that darn this posted for yas.

Love yas all

Addrriiannnnnn.