POST GAME Game 3 - NSW vs QLD

Dexter

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Surprise surprise, Archer defended the Fifita try.

He said he did not influence the game.. Despite the fact that Jennings running for the ball attracted the attention of the defenders and forced one of them to try to block him.
So the only ones who think it should have been a try ( besides NSW team ) are the refs. No wonder confusion reigns in the bunker. They capitulated under pressure from coaches and the media re black and white rulings on obstructions with the block runners and now they are letting them think for themselves regarding other areas.

Like some other things this year they have opened the door for that to be the norm after ruling black and white all last year and so far this year.
Didn't Qld have one taken off us in game 3 last year when Gillett was in front but miles away from the play. It was late in the game IIRC .

I can't find it but if anyone can be bothered it would be good to compare.
 

ivanhungryjak

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So the only ones who think it should have been a try ( besides NSW team ) are the refs. No wonder confusion reigns in the bunker. They capitulated under pressure from coaches and the media re black and white rulings on obstructions with the block runners and now they are letting them think for themselves regarding other areas.

Like some other things this year they have opened the door for that to be the norm after ruling black and white all last year and so far this year.
Didn't Qld have one taken off us in game 3 last year when Gillett was in front but miles away from the play. It was late in the game IIRC .

I can't find it but if anyone can be bothered it would be good to compare.
Watch the Archer crap I linked in the other thread, he tries to justify it there and shows the vision.
 

Cult3

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Look, I'm a passionate Qlder and agree with your sentiment about Napa but you can't go off at a guy for doing exactly what you did straight after with your comment about Hayne and Tedesco. Hayne (with some help from the refs) single-handedly broke the Maroons 8-year streak, hardly a myth. Tedesco showed glimpses in his FIRST origin match that he very much has a future at this level. And yes, I feel guilty for standing up for NSW.
How does one single-handedly do anything with help from someone?
 

Big Pete

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So the only ones who think it should have been a try ( besides NSW team ) are the refs. No wonder confusion reigns in the bunker. They capitulated under pressure from coaches and the media re black and white rulings on obstructions with the block runners and now they are letting them think for themselves regarding other areas.

Like some other things this year they have opened the door for that to be the norm after ruling black and white all last year and so far this year.
Didn't Qld have one taken off us in game 3 last year when Gillett was in front but miles away from the play. It was late in the game IIRC .

I can't find it but if anyone can be bothered it would be good to compare.
Archer used the Gillett play as a point in comparison. Since Gillett touched the ball, he was involved in the play.

I would have to see other instances to know whether or not it's consistent. If that's the interpretation, I'm OK with it since Jennings never made any contact with the football or obstructed a defender. If anything, his presence should have motivated O'Neil to chase harder.

My biggest issue last night with the call is that I don't recall the active/passive interpretation existing. However, it supposedly does under Section 14 (2) and they define it on the video.
 
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holdzy89

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For all the penalties QLD gave away, they were entitled to as many because NSW did EXACTLY the same thing, but were not penalized. That would have been a classic game if not for incompetent refs. Seriously, how good was that QLD defence leading up to half time? NSW had the ball for like 10 minutes.
 

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For the last decade tries have been denied when an offside player has been 9m away from the play but dimply took a few steps forward, they have actually been fairly consistent on this ruling (until last night) ... Archer himself has denied tries for this reason.

In this instance an offside player actually chases the ball.

Conspiracy theory time... The NRL are desperate for the bunker to be seen as a success that they have instructed the refs boss to back all decisions they make, no matter what. Especially after Greenturds statement that said the bunker would get 100% of the decisions right
 

Dexter

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Archer used the Gillett play as a point in comparison. Since Gillett touched the ball, he was involved in the play.

I would have to see other instances to know whether or not it's consistent. If that's the interpretation, I'm OK with it since Jennings never made any contact with the football or obstructed a defender. If anything, his presence should have motivated O'Neil to chase harder.

My biggest issue last night with the call is that I don't recall the active/passive interpretation existing. However, it supposedly does under Section 14 (2) and they define it on the video.

I can't see how Jennings doesn't interfere with O'Neill. He actively pursues the ball and jostles with O'Neill, as Fittler said last night "there's nothing passive about what Jennings did"? I guess by running toward the ball that way Jennings clear intention was to participate in the play, therefore penalty Qld.

I had no idea about the active/passive interpretation ever being mentioned by anyone before and Cam Smith certainly knew nothing about it either. I wonder how many coaches, players and commentators were aware and when.
 
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Big Pete

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Jennings was in the vicinity but in order to be considered active, I assume he would had either made contact with the ball or impeded O'Neil. Jennings never touched the ball in that passage and O'Neil had the inside line, he didn't have to run around Jennings at any point.

As far as players and such not knowing the rule, it's such a rare occurance that I'm sure it just slipped everyone's radar. It was like when Moylan took the kick dead against the Broncos last year or the Reynolds field goal penalty from last year, the rule was in place, but since it rarely comes up it comes off as a spur of the moment decision.

And again, I can live with the call. I can remember when it was black and white, it was awful and robbed teams on several occassions. That's going back over a decade, so I'm glad that a distinction has been made between an active and passive participant.
 

ivanhungryjak

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I can live with active and passive but there is no way on Gods green earth that Jennings was passive in that play.
Passive is strictly taking no part in the play, eg, playing the ball and then standing still, realising you're offside and either stopping or stepping backwards. Running towards the ball is not passive.
 

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Look, I'm a passionate Qlder and agree with your sentiment about Napa but you can't go off at a guy for doing exactly what you did straight after with your comment about Hayne and Tedesco. Hayne (with some help from the refs) single-handedly broke the Maroons 8-year streak, hardly a myth. Tedesco showed glimpses in his FIRST origin match that he very much has a future at this level. And yes, I feel guilty for standing up for NSW.
Hayne hasnt dominated at origin level though. Fair enough, he has played well in a few games, and if you define a dominant player as one who has only done it in a game or two then thats fine. I find the NSW press bigs up decent NSW performances into something they are not personally, like that game gallen had amazing stats in a few years ago when he was playing under the influence of peptides. If our boys were NSWelshmen we would be hearing from the rats and filth down south that they were the greatest sports team of all time. Players like Smith, Wally and JT have dominated origin football. Hayne is nowhere near that level. He needs to do a hell of a lot more consitently to be up there with those guys.

I also did say the you COULD say Tedesco was easily contained, not it was a fact. I do personally think we coped with him pretty easily. HE is a decent player, but he isnt as good as some would have us believe yet. I would comfortably put Munster on a par with him.
 

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When even the NSW nuffies on LU have to basically openly troll in order to defend that shit last night, you know it was a trainwreck. Sutton, Archer and Cummins are literally cancer.
 

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Hayne hasnt dominated at origin level though. Fair enough, he has played well in a few games, and if you define a dominant player as one who has only done it in a game or two then thats fine. I find the NSW press bigs up decent NSW performances into something they are not personally, like that game gallen had amazing stats in a few years ago when he was playing under the influence of peptides. If our boys were NSWelshmen we would be hearing from the rats and filth down south that they were the greatest sports team of all time. Players like Smith, Wally and JT have dominated origin football. Hayne is nowhere near that level. He needs to do a hell of a lot more consitently to be up there with those guys.

I also did say the you COULD say Tedesco was easily contained, not it was a fact. I do personally think we coped with him pretty easily. HE is a decent player, but he isnt as good as some would have us believe yet. I would comfortably put Munster on a par with him.
Hayne was dominant in that 2009 series if it wasn't for him QLD would've won those first 2 games by cricket scores. He was the difference in 2014 imo, his performance in Game 1 that year was the stuff of a truly great player. He should've been man of the series. He was a great player for NSW and Australia.
 

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I can live with active and passive but there is no way on Gods green earth that Jennings was passive in that play.
Passive is strictly taking no part in the play, eg, playing the ball and then standing still, realising you're offside and either stopping or stepping backwards. Running towards the ball is not passive.
Yep, this. It's basically putting the onus on the defending player to know that the opposition player is in an offside position, and can therefore be ignored. Ridiculous ruling.
 

Cult3

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Hayne was dominant in that 2009 series if it wasn't for him QLD would've won those first 2 games by cricket scores. He was the difference in 2014 imo, his performance in Game 1 that year was the stuff of a truly great player. He should've been man of the series. He was a great player for NSW and Australia.
I bet you think he achieved everything there was to achieve in rugby league too?
 

Big Pete

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Hayne was dominant in that 2009 series if it wasn't for him QLD would've won those first 2 games by cricket scores.
...for the record, you're referring to Shayne, right?

The bloke who allowed Barrett to break Inglis' jaw with a dog shot and decided a penalty was sufficient, that Hayne right?

Because otherwise the Maroons were going to piss four in a row in no sweat. A w(h)inger wasn't going to have that much of a bearing.
 

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Last year in the Preliminary Final, Sutton went to the video ref for the Boyd try to see if any of the players in front of the kicker put pressure on SKD. To see if they had an impact on the play.

If they did, was it going to be a try?

The offside player does not need to make contact with the player or ball for it to be called back.

Different interpretation, no consistency.
 
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