Greg Bird guilty of assaulting girlfriend

[Charmamba]

cockatoo?

 

[Coxy]

cockatoo?

Yes, I'm sure he's sucked a cockatoo.

 

[Flutterby]

LOLZ. They got it wrong. Badly. The experienced, hard working judge, had a lovely feast of bullshit and bought it. End of story.

I disagree - there is nothing to say that he "bought their bullshit", but that there is no actual evidence to PROVE he glassed her. No-one was there but the 2 of them and they have presented a potential plausible alternative scenario, which then brings into play reasonable doubt based on actual evidence. Fact is - there is no proof one way or the other as to which of the 2 scenarios actually happened, so the judge had no option but to uphold the appeal. He probably feels just as bad about having to make that decision but that's the way it is. TBH - the original judge had no actual proof either and probably should have found him not guilty.

The basic problem in cases like this lies in the way our judicial system works - PROOF beyond reasonable doubt, not "most likely scenario" or circumstantial evidence. I don't like it in cases like this, but then again there are probably a lot of innocent people who would have served time if not for this system. But Bird knows what really happened and has to live with that and I believe that he will get what he deserves one day.

 

[Coxy]

The fact the judge praised Katie for having strength of character to "finally come forward with the truth" was either very well delivered sarcasm, or an indication he bought it.

 

[Anonymous person]

guilty or not, there were 2 witnesses to what happened - Bird and his missus. if they both say it was an accident, and theres really absolutely no hard evidence suggesting otherwise, i highly doubt youd find many judges willing to send someone to jail for it - especially a high profile footballer.

 

[Coxy]

My view (I think I've already said it) is that if you're appealing a conviction the onus should be on you to provide undeniable proof of your innocence. That doesn't mean corroborated testimony, that means independent, indisputable evidence that you were innocent.

If the only witness is, as in this case, the testimony of the victim and perpetrator should not be considered if they are in a relationship. It's not impartial.

That's where the system falls down, especially in domestic violence.

 

[Anonymous person]

i agree. if youve been found guilty you should have to prove innocence, not just go back to the start and provide reasonable doubt again.

 

[Professor47]

You know what though?

If the girl seriously defended Bird (like she did) after this incident as a whole - she deserves a guy like him really. It's like Rihanna supposedly taking back Chris Brown. I'm trying not to be judgemental here but some girls make the daftest decisions when it comes to men.

Good luck to ya Katie or whatever your name is - all the best but I must admit there will be little sympathy from me if some bs like this happens again. Hopefully not.

 

[Coxy]

True. It's so common in domestic abuse cases too. "But he really loves me" and "He promised me it won't happen again". "He can change".

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Willing victims. *spit* Cant' stand them.

 

[ddd]

True. It's so common in domestic abuse cases too. "But he really loves me" and "He promised me it won't happen again". "He can change".

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Willing victims. *spit* Cant' stand them.

Um, it is an established mental condition, "Battered Women's Syndrome" - not trying to be lame, but its not funny, not really their fault and jokes about it in poor taste

 

[Coxy]

Who's joking? I wish there were drugs to treat it like there are depression. It's an illness, no doubt.

 

[Nashy]

It's sad. It is. But these high profile cases surely don't help the "nobodies" who are getting abused. If that rish and known person does it, it must be ok.

 

[Professor47]

Might be worse trying to cure it with meds though. Probably better to start off with talking to a prof... self mental stability > meds.

 

[Charmamba]

When someone abuses something you generally take it away dont you?

Kid throws a toy you take the toy.
Guy drinks to much take his drinks.
Gamble to much take away their money ect ect

is there a way to take away the Sheila from the guy?

 

[Flutterby]

Police tried with the AVO - but both he and her ignored that. Unfortunately in abuse situations you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped or won't help themselves

 

[Kimlo]

True. It's so common in domestic abuse cases too. "But he really loves me" and "He promised me it won't happen again". "He can change".

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Willing victims. *spit* Cant' stand them.

Um, it is an established mental condition, "Battered Women's Syndrome" - not trying to be lame, but its not funny, not really their fault and jokes about it in poor taste

Really?
Seems there's a medical condition for every thing these days....

 

[Nashy]

Yes well. I'm not going to take this where I want....

 

[Browny]

True. It's so common in domestic abuse cases too. "But he really loves me" and "He promised me it won't happen again". "He can change".

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Willing victims. *spit* Cant' stand them.

Um, it is an established mental condition, "Battered Women's Syndrome" - not trying to be lame, but its not funny, not really their fault and jokes about it in poor taste

Really?
Seems there's a medical condition for every thing these days....

Try googling it and you'll see for yourself