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[Kimlo]

It all adds up mate, you compare those signings to other clubs who get players who play above their salary, we're at an obvious disadvantage.

I would throw Isaako in with that lot too, he's on 500k.

I strongly disagree.

And yes, sure, I can say that with the benefit of hindsight, but every single one of those contracts @lynx000 listed turned out to be terrible.

Only Flegler can still redeem himself. The rest, when the dust had finally settled, were paid far in excess of what they delivered.

To be clear I'm not saying they're not shit contracts, I'm saying they're not even close to being in the conversation for worse contracts in the NRL era. That's pure hyperbole, Seibold being a shit coach turning us to wooden spoon rabble doesn't make contracts rubbish.

If you genuinely think they're amongst the worst NRL contracts ever, fair enough, it is subjective.

 

[WASSHHH]

To be clear I'm not saying they're not shit contracts, I'm saying they're not even close to being in the conversation for worse contracts in the NRL era. That's pure hyperbole, Seibold being a shit coach turning us to wooden spoon rabble doesn't make contracts rubbish.

If you genuinely think they're amongst the worst NRL contracts ever, fair enough, it is subjective.

Seibold did A LOT of things wrong, but signing Milford and Boyd to big money, long term contracts at a time when their form and / or body was on a steep decline had nothing to do with him.

Some people tend to look too fondly at the 2015 / early 2016 Milford purple patch when they review the perceived value the Broncos got out of his bumper contract, but then also forget that form was pre his big contract.

On the Ash Taylor contract value vs performances delivered scale; 2017-2018 Milford was not terrible but the signs were starting to appear. Come 2019-2021 though, there were definitely stages that got damn close.

And Boyd; well all I can say is, he became a meme. Short of putting him out to pasture (which would have done nothing to improve his contract value), I’m not sure what Seibold could have done.

Laying the blame at Seibold’s feet for Milford and Boyd not delivering on their ridiculous contracts is like blaming Garth Brennan for Ash Taylor being a dud.

 

[Morkel]

The only one that even goes close to making that list is Bird and that's from pure bad luck. Milford somewhat but I wouldn't class him as even top 10 worst contracts in NRL era.

The others were just bad deals, nothing unbelievable.

Mbye is on 900k. DWZ is on 800k plus, those two alone are far worse than any contract weve ever had and they're current. That's two that immediately come to mind without giving it much thought.

Bulldogs surely have to take the cake. $1 million a year for Foran, and I remember Eastwood's contract being so heavily back-ended that his last year he was on $900k.

 

[Xzei]

Bulldogs surely have to take the cake. $1 million a year for Foran, and I remember Eastwood's contract being so heavily back-ended that his last year he was on $900k.

Would have to think ben hunts estimated 1.2 million a year contract would be up there

 

[Kimlo]

Seibold did A LOT of things wrong, but signing Milford and Boyd to big money, long term contracts at a time when their form and / or body was on a steep decline had nothing to do with him.

Some people tend to look too fondly at the 2015 / early 2016 Milford purple patch when they review the perceived value the Broncos got out of his bumper contract, but then also forget that form was pre his big contract.

On the Ash Taylor contract value vs performances delivered scale; 2017-2018 Milford was not terrible but the signs were starting to appear. Come 2019-2021 though, there were definitely stages that got damn close.

And Boyd; well all I can say is, he became a meme. Short of putting him out to pasture (which would have done nothing to improve his contract value), I’m not sure what Seibold could have done.

Laying the blame at Seibold’s feet for Milford and Boyd not delivering on their ridiculous contracts is like blaming Garth Brennan for Ash Taylor being a dud.

This isn't a Boyd/Milford discussion, there were multiple players listed but I'm assuming if you're ignoring all the other players listed you genuinely think Milford/Boyd are top 10 worst NRL era contracts? Of any team? That's absurd.

 

[Kimlo]

Bulldogs surely have to take the cake. $1 million a year for Foran, and I remember Eastwood's contract being so heavily back-ended that his last year he was on $900k.

Napa on 800k, Hoppa on 800k, Foran 1m at the dogs, Coen hess 550k, Brooks on a reported 800k Tigers Blair at 800k, A. Fifita on 850k now, Townsend 800k, they're just a few I can name that I wouldn't swap contracts with. There's a ton more but I'm not going to dig through archives.

Final year or two Boyd was shit but he was a rep player when he signed and he was meme'd on for his defence, which guess what, was worse when he wasn't there. I would class him a top 20 shit contract maybe, but it wouldn't be in the top 10 conversation.

Milford was always serviceable and as much as I disliked him as a player he was made to carry a team with zero support from the spine, he wasn't total rubbish he was just a lazy **** who is worth 300-400k but he was easily market value when he signed.

Offa is shit but hardly a nightmare contract, 500k is just ballpark for average forwards. Flegler being in the list at all for worst NRL contracts is overblown nonsense, Bird too. You can't judge a guy on 17 games on 3 years, he was showing promising signs but in hindsight, sure one of the worst, top 5 contender.

Lodge was overpaid, but not enormously, reported on 700-800k but he's easily a 500k prop, he got let go because he's a bell-end who hurts team harmony.

We were playing like a 4m team because Seibold is a genuine contender for worst ever NRL coach. Walters did better in his first year with an easily worse team.

 

[BroncosFever]

Napa on 800k, Hoppa on 800k, Foran 1m at the dogs, Coen hess 550k, Brooks on a reported 800k Tigers Blair at 800k, A. Fifita on 850k now, Townsend 800k, they're just a few I can name that I wouldn't swap contracts with. There's a ton more but I'm not going to dig through archives.

Final year or two Boyd was shit but he was a rep player when he signed and he was meme'd on for his defence, which guess what, was worse when he wasn't there. I would class him a top 20 shit contract maybe, but it wouldn't be in the top 10 conversation.

Milford was always serviceable and as much as I disliked him as a player he was made to carry a team with zero support from the spine, he wasn't total rubbish he was just a lazy **** who is worth 300-400k but he was easily market value when he signed.

Offa is shit but hardly a nightmare contract, 500k is just ballpark for average forwards. Flegler being in the list at all for worst NRL contracts is overblown nonsense, Bird too. You can't judge a guy on 17 games on 3 years, he was showing promising signs but in hindsight, sure one of the worst, top 5 contender.

Lodge was overpaid, but not enormously, reported on 700-800k but he's easily a 500k prop, he got let go because he's a bell-end who hurts team harmony.

We were playing like a 4m team because Seibold is a genuine contender for worst ever NRL coach. Walters did better in his first year with an easily worse team.

I would agree with most of that, not the worst contracts in the league but collectively obviously you can't have that many unfavourable deals in the one team and expect to be a top side.

 

[Sproj]

Napa on 800k, Hoppa on 800k, Foran 1m at the dogs, Coen hess 550k, Brooks on a reported 800k Tigers Blair at 800k, A. Fifita on 850k now, Townsend 800k, they're just a few I can name that I wouldn't swap contracts with. There's a ton more but I'm not going to dig through archives.

Final year or two Boyd was shit but he was a rep player when he signed and he was meme'd on for his defence, which guess what, was worse when he wasn't there. I would class him a top 20 shit contract maybe, but it wouldn't be in the top 10 conversation.

Milford was always serviceable and as much as I disliked him as a player he was made to carry a team with zero support from the spine, he wasn't total rubbish he was just a lazy **** who is worth 300-400k but he was easily market value when he signed.

Offa is shit but hardly a nightmare contract, 500k is just ballpark for average forwards. Flegler being in the list at all for worst NRL contracts is overblown nonsense, Bird too. You can't judge a guy on 17 games on 3 years, he was showing promising signs but in hindsight, sure one of the worst, top 5 contender.

Lodge was overpaid, but not enormously, reported on 700-800k but he's easily a 500k prop, he got let go because he's a bell-end who hurts team harmony.

We were playing like a 4m team because Seibold is a genuine contender for worst ever NRL coach. Walters did better in his first year with an easily worse team.

These are all fair points but just in the Lodge one, I think you are unintentionally downplaying it. If he is a 500k prop (which I agree he is) paying up to 300k more is a really bad decision. That’s around 50% more than he’s worth and 300k is a pretty solid additionally player. There’s like two props in the game worth 800k, one being Haas. While Lodge was good, he is nowhere near Haas. Anyone I digressed a little.

Context is also important with Lodge because the Broncos (I know mostly Wayne) took a punt on him when he had no options and helped him off field majorly, we should have got him for under market value as a show of appreciation, not 300k overs. That contract in light of that context was truly awful.

The Boyd contract was also bad, there were signs he was already on the decline and then an upgraded 4 year deal was given. Milford was never worth a million dollars but Melbourne’s interest made us panic and so we overpaid, though his best was understandably enticing.

Let’s not forget amidst all of this, the Broncs got very lucky with Gillett. Now Gillett was a gun, no argument there but he got an upgraded, multi year deal after a serious neck injury, we were so lucky to get the medical retirement a short time later, that contract could have been horrible too.

As mentioned above, whether these contracts in isolation are up there with the worst is all conjecture (I’d argue Bird’s was undoubtedly, especially based on hindsight) but collectively, coupled with a horrible coaching transition, meant the club was run into the ground on field.

 

[007]

As mentioned above, whether these contracts in isolation are up there with the worst is all conjecture (I’d argue Bird’s was undoubtedly, especially based on hindsight) but collectively, coupled with a horrible coaching transition, meant the club was run into the ground on field.

I think the worst part the club did was the PO's coupled with the large contract lengths at high value. The worst culminated during the 19 - 20 season. Correct me if im wrong but going into 2019 season we had these guys with player options or mega contracts:

• Bird -800k
• Macca - 500k
• Lodge - 700k?
• Turpin - 350k?
• Flegler - bumped to 550/600?
• Milford - 1.0m
• Kahu - loan deal obligated to take him back? 400k reported?
• Roberts - 500k?

Theres 4.8m there in overpaid and committed players that choked the squad until deep into 2021. Quite crazy looking back how bad things were.

 

[Foordy]

Final year or two Boyd was shit but he was a rep player when he signed and he was meme'd on for his defence, which guess what, was worse when he wasn't there. I would class him a top 20 shit contract maybe, but it wouldn't be in the top 10 conversation.

IMO, it wasn't the value of the Boyd contract that made it terrible ... it was the length.

4 year contracts to guys who are 29-30 is a mistake.

 

[Kimlo]

These are all fair points but just in the Lodge one, I think you are unintentionally downplaying it. If he is a 500k prop (which I agree he is) paying up to 300k more is a really bad decision. That’s around 50% more than he’s worth and 300k is a pretty solid additionally player. There’s like two props in the game worth 800k, one being Haas. While Lodge was good, he is nowhere near Haas. Anyone I digressed a little.

Context is also important with Lodge because the Broncos (I know mostly Wayne) took a punt on him when he had no options and helped him off field majorly, we should have got him for under market value as a show of appreciation, not 300k overs. That contract in light of that context was truly awful.

The Boyd contract was also bad, there were signs he was already on the decline and then an upgraded 4 year deal was given. Milford was never worth a million dollars but Melbourne’s interest made us panic and so we overpaid, though his best was understandably enticing.

Let’s not forget amidst all of this, the Broncs got very lucky with Gillett. Now Gillett was a gun, no argument there but he got an upgraded, multi year deal after a serious neck injury, we were so lucky to get the medical retirement a short time later, that contract could have been horrible too.

As mentioned above, whether these contracts in isolation are up there with the worst is all conjecture (I’d argue Bird’s was undoubtedly, especially based on hindsight) but collectively, coupled with a horrible coaching transition, meant the club was run into the ground on field.

Man that's some bad memories Thank **** DD is in charge now, we went from every contract being bad value to the club to getting Reynolds at 750, Capewell at 450 and no insane long term contracts. Night and day difference.

 

[theshed]

I think the worst part the club did was the PO's coupled with the large contract lengths at high value. The worst culminated during the 19 - 20 season. Correct me if im wrong but going into 2019 season we had these guys with player options or mega contracts:

• Bird -800k
• Macca - 500k
• Lodge - 700k?
• Turpin - 350k?
• Flegler - bumped to 550/600?
• Milford - 1.0m
• Kahu - loan deal obligated to take him back? 400k reported?
• Roberts - 500k?

Theres 4.8m there in overpaid and committed players that choked the squad until deep into 2021. Quite crazy looking back how bad things were.

Not the worst but Oates’ contract was 500k with a player option for next year.

 

[Foordy]

Not the worst but Oates’ contract was 500k with a player option for next year.

The only reason that was poor was because Seibold fucked Oates up ... the good version of Oates, which we finally saw start to re-emerge late last season is worth 500k easy

 

[WASSHHH]

This isn't a Boyd/Milford discussion, there were multiple players listed but I'm assuming if you're ignoring all the other players listed you genuinely think Milford/Boyd are top 10 worst NRL era contracts? Of any team? That's absurd.

If you read my original post, I didn’t ignore the other players @lynx000 listed, indeed I agreed with all of them.

I only went on to focus on Milford and Boyd primarily as you blamed their contracts being shit on Seibold, which had nothing to do with him for the reasons I’ve already stated. That’s absurd.

So far as what mess other clubs get themselves into; they’re not my team so I couldn’t give a shit. Indeed, I hope they never learn from their mistakes.

What I do care about is the Broncos, and all the players lynx listed are undoubtedly shit contracts, with Milford and Boyd being right at the top of the worst Broncos contracts in history.

 

[WASSHHH]

Napa on 800k, Hoppa on 800k, Foran 1m at the dogs, Coen hess 550k, Brooks on a reported 800k Tigers Blair at 800k, A. Fifita on 850k now, Townsend 800k, they're just a few I can name that I wouldn't swap contracts with. There's a ton more but I'm not going to dig through archives.

Final year or two Boyd was shit but he was a rep player when he signed and he was meme'd on for his defence, which guess what, was worse when he wasn't there. I would class him a top 20 shit contract maybe, but it wouldn't be in the top 10 conversation.

Milford was always serviceable and as much as I disliked him as a player he was made to carry a team with zero support from the spine, he wasn't total rubbish he was just a lazy **** who is worth 300-400k but he was easily market value when he signed.

Offa is shit but hardly a nightmare contract, 500k is just ballpark for average forwards. Flegler being in the list at all for worst NRL contracts is overblown nonsense, Bird too. You can't judge a guy on 17 games on 3 years, he was showing promising signs but in hindsight, sure one of the worst, top 5 contender.

Lodge was overpaid, but not enormously, reported on 700-800k but he's easily a 500k prop, he got let go because he's a bell-end who hurts team harmony.

We were playing like a 4m team because Seibold is a genuine contender for worst ever NRL coach. Walters did better in his first year with an easily worse team.

Not to cherry pick, but the bold bit got me thinking of raw numbers.

If Boyd is in your top 20 shit contracts, would that not constitute “some of the worst in the NRL era”?

The NRL started in 1998. To use conservative estimates let’s say 14 teams a year with 35 contracts each. That’s 24 years of 490 contracts, which is 11,760 contracts.

To be in the top 1%, you only have to be one of the worst 117 contracts.

I think it’s hard to argue some of the contracts we’ve had over the last 5 years would not be in that 1%.

EDIT: actually, scrap all of this, I just realised it is wild horse shit and I’m way off with my numbers But rather than delete it, thought I’d leave it here so people can lol at my stupidity.

 

[BroncosFever]

Some of Boyd's efforts towards the end of his career were high quality comedy efforts, even as a Brisbane fan I had to laugh at some of the memes going around.

 

[Marty Deutschmann]

Some of Boyd's efforts towards the end of his career were high quality comedy efforts, even as a Brisbane fan I had to laugh at some of the memes going around.

He's by far the worst a Bronco's player has ever been at the end of their career.

In

1. Their apparent value to the side (salary and being a captain)

2. Their attitude and commitment to being a professional RL player

 

[lynx000]

To be clear I'm not saying they're not shit contracts, I'm saying they're not even close to being in the conversation for worse contracts in the NRL era. That's pure hyperbole, Seibold being a shit coach turning us to wooden spoon rabble doesn't make contracts rubbish.

If you genuinely think they're amongst the worst NRL contracts ever, fair enough, it is subjective.

TBH, when I replied I had not referenced the original comment. They were shit contracts, but I agree with you not in the same ballpark as worst in the NRL era.