Is Josh McGuire really that good?

[Rhys van Beurden]

Klemmer is more likely to bust the line and get a team on the backfoot and makes more meters and tackle busts than McGuire. Klemmer also delivered the goods in the green and gold.

I'm just a bit confused why you felt like adding it to the end of your statement when it wasn't really relevant. But my 2 cents:

I think Klemmer looked decent by simple virtue of being the second of two props chosen (the other being Woods), yet still couldn't start over Thaiday and Papalli, who weren't even props. Australia was short on decent workhorse props, so they picked a bench prop who barely played 20 minutes a match for his club side and started second rowers as props instead.

Josh McGuire would have been a great selection for Australia, and whilst playing for Samoa, was easily one of the best players of the comp, and showed his versatility by playing hooker, prop, and lock at various stages. And whilst I disagree that Klemmer should have been picked full stop, I think it is irrelevant because if I were to have removed a player from the squad to accommodate McGuire, it would have been one of the heap of second rowers in the squad that were barely used over Klemmer.

But regardless, McGuire would have been a far more useful addition to the squad as he is more experienced, can play greater minutes, has better defense, and was more versatile player than Klemmer. He would have been starting prop material, something Klemmer clearly wasn't, nor isn't, at least yet. Klemmer certainly has a bright future, but was one of the many forced selections by Sheens as some cheap attempt at blooding youth way too early. And Australia lost as a result of his poor selections.

 

[Jason Simmons]

Yep, I'd love to have a guy like Klemmer or the Burgess brothers starting as prop next to McGuire. Shame Hala didn't work out.

Well given Hala can't even get a gig at the Titans, it doesn't seem likely Hala was ever going to 'work out'. "He can bench press a lot." Great. Can he play a season of NRL without getting injured? Can he play more than about 5 minutes before he is 'blown out.'?

No.

Next!

 

[Jason Simmons]

yeah this is mostly how i see him, maybe Garbutt might be able to fill the big guy roll for us but it seems he's a ways down the prop rotation ladder.

Saw Garbutt and McGure side by side from a distance of about 15 metres last night. McGuire isn't much shorter than Garbutt and is no less solid.

 

[Unbreakable]

Saw Garbutt and McGure side by side from a distance of about 15 metres last night. McGuire isn't much shorter than Garbutt and is no less solid.

pretty sure Garbutt is like 4 inches taller than McGuire, that's a fair bit.

 

[Splinter]

Saw Garbutt and McGure side by side from a distance of about 15 metres last night. McGuire isn't much shorter than Garbutt and is no less solid.

McGuire was about the same height as Lockyer in the MOM interview unless they had Lockyer on a box. MCGuire would be lucky to make 6 foot

 

[broncos4life]

McGuire was about the same height as Lockyer in the MOM interview unless they had Lockyer on a box. MCGuire would be lucky to make 6 foot

Yeah I was going to say the same thing.

[MENTION=8275]Jason Simmons[/MENTION] are you sure you weren't looking at Wallace? They look pretty similar

 

[K-Style]

Yeah I was going to say the same thing.

[MENTION=8275]Jason Simmons[/MENTION] are you sure you weren't looking at Wallace? They look pretty similar

From a distance. ;)

 

[K-Style]

From wiki
Garbutt 1.9m
Wallace 1.89m
Dodds 1.85m.
McGuire 1.80m

 

[Foordy]

Klemmer deserved to be picked for Australia over him.

 

[Harry Sack]

Klemmer deserved to be picked for Australia over him.

Disagree. Klemmer certainly justified his selection but as I said back then, there were players far more deserving. McGuire was one and Vaughn was another.

 

[kluppy]

Fit him for a QLD jersey ...

does that answer your question :okey:

ha ha, as a back rower, sure.

 

[kluppy]

This guy is either a troll or has very high standards.

i can assure you i am no troll.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Disagree. Klemmer certainly justified his selection but as I said back then, there were players far more deserving. McGuire was one and Vaughn was another.

Geez Vaughn gets over rated alot. Seems like its the done thing, if you're looking to gain RL credibilty, is to pick out Canberra players and pretend how good they are.

Vaughn, Fensom, Wighton .....Blake Austin is apparently up for an SOO jersey after one OK game, Ederick Lee...is lucky to even be in first grade, the list goes on and on

Just because the Raiders don't get watched by everyone there's still some of us that do and realise how inflated peoples opinions are on these players.

 

[badyon]

McGuire is terrible. Similar to Gallen or Bird.

Looks great on paper and in some stats, but to the extent he just kills plays taking one up hit outs on the 4th and 5th tackle, with very low chance of promoting the play -- is the extent that the Broncos will keep having a similar record to the Sharks or NSW.

Also third tackle when something could be on - just kills the play 100% of the time. This is a Greg Bird special. And team's that Bird plays for achieve a lot, right.

Not the worst forward we have. I mean, with Gillett in the team that's never going to be possible. But, yeah, pretty terrible. Not nuggety enough to bust a bunch of tackles at key times like an Alan Cann, not big enough to be anything other than a workhouse with no real football skill.

 

[Harry Sack]

Geez Vaughn gets over rated alot. Seems like its the done thing, if you're looking to gain RL credibilty, is to pick out Canberra players and pretend how good they are.

Vaughn, Fensom, Wighton .....Blake Austin is apparently up for an SOO jersey after one OK game, Ederick Lee...is lucky to even be in first grade, the list goes on and on

Just because the Raiders don't get watched by everyone there's still some of us that do and realise how inflated peoples opinions are on these players.

Fensom is quality and so is Vaughn. Blake Austin is certainly decent but the suggestion of him for an Origin jersey is laughable to say the least.

 

[broncos4life]

I honestly can't believe what I'm reading... I wish kluppy and badyon were trolls

 

[kluppy]

I honestly can't believe what I'm reading... I wish kluppy and badyon were trolls

geez steady up, i didn't say josh was terrible......

 

[Splinter]

I thought Kluppy made a valid argument. MCGuire will be lucky to beat Napa for an origin jersey based on size.
Badyon is a troll :-)