OFFICIAL Isaako released to Titans

[Huge]

The issue isn't purely on Isaako but when you hand the opposition a try through lack of effort, then come out after the break and make a basic error playing the ball.. that's a fair way to hand the opposition all the momentum they need to win the footy game

With the way the game is being played under the new rules, momentum is a big part of the game and to simply give it away like he did on Thursday night, that's where the issue lies. You cannot simply just give it away to other teams, it's too hard to wrestle back and as shown so many times, we can't defend it.

The good teams defend their mistakes, we get to a certain point and throw it in. Can the team defend better? of course they can but at some point you have to stop making basic fundamental errors too, Isaako has too many of those in his game and it's been that way for a long time.

That's fair enough but I think a few are overlooking the momentum swings prior to that Isaako blunder. Truthfully we can point to 3 or 4 times in the first half alone. Even if Isaako had a clumsy ptb it isn't significant enough to paint that one event as 'the moment we lost' . As I've pointed out I am not defending Isaako's poor game, just the claim that Isaako's blunder and bad ptb cost us the game. Sure it contributed to the bad result but not in my opinion, as severely as Robati's sin bin.

 

[Huge]

Reading through all these posts, I can’t wait to see the round 14 team list in the alternate world of Huge:

1. Isaako
2. Isaako
3. Isaako
4. Isaako
5. Isaako
6. Isaako
7. Isaako
8. Kennedy
9. Kennedy
10. Kennedy
11. Kennedy
12. Kennedy
13. Kennedy
14. Isaako
15. Kennedy
16. Kennedy
17. Kennedy
18. Kennedy
19. Isaako

P.S. Kennedy has been fine, so does actually deserve to be in the team when fit again.

You made a stupid claim. Own it. It’s like you're 14 with pimples.

 

[Pharric]

Move him to the wing.. in-consistent at fullback.. easily giving tries & games away..

 

[ozzball]

A lot of vitriol in this thread ... and I must admit I haven't read every single post but (in the many I've read) not a single comment about the coaches ... there are the three of them Walters, Matterson, Cartwright ... wtf are they doing down there ??? Isaako is playing like a one-legged blind man at the moment, no doubt, and has been for a while ... so why pick him? Why set a bloke up to be eviscerated in threads like this? Send some other lame duck out there for a turn or ffs buy someone ... and fast!!! We're expecting the guys in maroon and gold to do their job, it's high time this much-trumpeted Kevolution started and those "brains" in the shadows got their collective fingers out of their fundamental orifices and earned their F*****g coin.

 

[Huge]

That one mistake directly cost 6 points, he made others as well that indirectly led to more tries being scored, notably the play the ball / captains challenge debacle, where they scored almost immediately after that mistake.

I don’t think he is a good fullback particularly for the reasons I’ve mentioned before, but those errors and his overall game to me were more symptomatic of someone whose head simply wasn’t in the game, despite playing in such a crucial position on the field.

As bad as that stuff was, it is more concerning to me that it took Kevin 65 minutes to realise it and didn’t act sooner, when the game was still in the balance and might perhaps have been saved with an astute tactical choice or two...

To have any effect beyond sending a message, Isaako needed to stay off at half time and maybe things would have panned out differently.

But we have for some time, seemed to crumble when the first thing goes wrong as a team, our off-field as well now simply watches when we’re starting to head towards the cliff and doesn’t nothing to even try and stop the inevitable capitulation…

It might help to watch the game again instead of relying on faulty tainted memories. In the first half Gamble gifted tries to St George on multiple occasions. A few seconds before half time WE had possession yet it was Herbie's poor hands that gave them the chance to score. It was Gambles six again that allowed the Saints to get down the field in the first place. So so many mistakes by others yet they aren't being mentioned.

 

[Huge]

That one mistake directly cost 6 points, he made others as well that indirectly led to more tries being scored, notably the play the ball / captains challenge debacle, where they scored almost immediately after that mistake.

I don’t think he is a good fullback particularly for the reasons I’ve mentioned before, but those errors and his overall game to me were more symptomatic of someone whose head simply wasn’t in the game, despite playing in such a crucial position on the field.

As bad as that stuff was, it is more concerning to me that it took Kevin 65 minutes to realise it and didn’t act sooner, when the game was still in the balance and might perhaps have been saved with an astute tactical choice or two...

To have any effect beyond sending a message, Isaako needed to stay off at half time and maybe things would have panned out differently.

But we have for some time, seemed to crumble when the first thing goes wrong as a team, our off-field as well now simply watches when we’re starting to head towards the cliff and doesn’t nothing to even try and stop the inevitable capitulation…

Have a read of your first paragraph and then watch a replay. You 'remember it' one way and then there's reality. They didn't score 'almost immediately' and in fact there were three more sets after ! However,they did score almost immediately after Robati went high. In fact they scored off the second tackle. That's right, Isaako wasn't the cause it was 100% the sin bin. Our bias colours our memories and in this case I'm sure you'll admit yes, you didn't recollect the events correctly.

 

[Gaz]

It's easier to replace a player then a whole team.

We don't have a whole team.
There in lies our major problem - along with the reason why we haven’t.
Administrators and dare I say it - coaching.

 

[WASSHHH]

You made a stupid claim. Own it. It’s like you're 14 with pimples.

In alternate Huge world, I don’t doubt that’s true.

But outside of such a mystical place, if you remove Isaako’s 4-5 minutes of hell either side of half-time; we go into the break at 18 all and are not defending for the entire start to the second half. But if that’s not enough for you, consider this: 2 months ago TC wouldn’t have even been penalised let alone binned. But for as long as League has been played, Isaako’s clangers have been errors.

It’s obvious that Walters agrees too, as he hooked Isaako, but not TC. Wonder why that is.

 

[thenry]

Does anyone else wonder if it's his fitness that is causing him to not push up in support like other fullbacks? I mean, aerobic fitness?

Like, I can't understand how a fullback at that level doesn't push up and anticipate offloads, so maybe it's a fitness thing?

I dunno, grasping at straws. Sometimes I think half the battle is just being there at the right place to take advantage.

Are the better players just fitter?

 

[broncsgoat]

In alternate Huge world, I don’t doubt that’s true.

But outside of such a mystical place, if you remove Isaako’s 4-5 minutes of hell either side of half-time; we go into the break at 18 all and are not defending for the entire start to the second half. But if that’s not enough for you, consider this: 2 months ago TC wouldn’t have even been penalised let alone binned. But for as long as League has been played, Isaako’s clangers have been errors.

It’s obvious that Walters agrees too, as he hooked Isaako, but not TC. Wonder why that is.

He was playing poorly before the brain explosion on half time as well.

 

[I bleed Maroon]

We don't have a whole team.
There in lies our major problem - along with the reason why we haven’t.
Administrators and dare I say it - coaching.

Yeah pretty much. I could sit here and name like 6 players right off the top of my head that wouldn't break the first grade sides of any other team except the Dogs or maybe Newcastle.

Isaako
Glenn
Arthars
Flegler
Kelly
Gamble

 

[WASSHHH]

Does anyone else wonder if it's his fitness that is causing him to not push up in support like other fullbacks? I mean, aerobic fitness?

Like, I can't understand how a fullback at that level doesn't push up and anticipate offloads, so maybe it's a fitness thing?

I dunno, grasping at straws. Sometimes I think half the battle is just being there at the right place to take advantage.

Are the better players just fitter?

Like too many in our squad, he is an athlete, not a footballer.

He got by on being bigger, faster, stronger, more evasive, whatever. Never on being more skilful or smarter. Quite simply, when you go back and look at all the mistakes he makes, some of which are repeated (kicking out on the full), it’s clear he has very little football IQ (which doesn’t necessarily mean he is stupid, just that he has no footy smarts).

I’ve said it a number of times over the past one and a half seasons; you cannot coach dumb. This team has it in spades.

 

[theshed]

Does anyone else wonder if it's his fitness that is causing him to not push up in support like other fullbacks? I mean, aerobic fitness?

Like, I can't understand how a fullback at that level doesn't push up and anticipate offloads, so maybe it's a fitness thing?

I dunno, grasping at straws. Sometimes I think half the battle is just being there at the right place to take advantage.

Are the better players just fitter?

I’m not sure it’s fitness or a general lack of urgency. I’ve watched him play live a few times and he moves so slow to get back into position in defence. Especially around the try line. Compare that to guys like Paps, Teddy, or Gutherson who you will see run from one corner post to the other multiple times during a goal line defensive set. You can predict when kicks are coming based on how out of position he is and he slowly jogs toward the vulnerable area and doesn’t start to show any urgency until it’s already too late. He’ll get there after the damage has been done or someone else has already cleaned up.

 

[McHunt]

Like too many in our squad, he is an athlete, not a footballer.

He got by on being bigger, faster, stronger, more evasive, whatever. Never on being more skilful or smarter. Quite simply, when you go back and look at all the mistakes he makes, some of which are repeated (kicking out on the full), it’s clear he has very little football IQ (which doesn’t necessarily mean he is stupid, just that he has no footy smarts).

I’ve said it a number of times over the past one and a half seasons; you cannot coach dumb. This team has it in spades.

In terms of a sausage factory, I can't think of anyone in the last few years who entered our system and emerged a better player. Maybe Fifita, but it's hard to attribute that to Seibold's coaching. I can think of a lot who started well and went downhill. Coates said as much: that he'd learn more under Bellamy than Walters, or within the Storm system rather than the Broncos. Fucking ouch.

Walter's blase reaction to Walsh's brilliant trial debut for me was the early canary in the coal mine. He stuck out like dog's balls and absolutely demanded the fullback role game one. We all saw it. The Warriors saw it, but Walters didn't. **** me dead.

Used to be an incentive that players would want to come to Brisbane to better their game, increase their value. Now they see the likes of Milford arrive a star and (presumably) leave a wreck. It makes you wonder how good Payne and Pangai would be if they were properly coached, and surrounded by properly coached support.

We are now down to debasing ourselves for the fish John West is rejecting. And worse, we're expecting these players to rescue us.

 

[Cult]

@Huge you understand how momentum works in a game hey? Isaako killed our momentum, and with such a weak-hearted team, dumb mistakes like that make the team drop their heads. Also fullback is an important position. When our fullback has a game like that, we lose.

I wonder how much involvement you have had in rugby league that doesn't involve just watching it? Or team sports in general because some of your takes are way too literal and often don't take into account context and variables. Isaako has lost us numerous games by changing momentum, this game in particular.

 

[Huge]

In alternate Huge world, I don’t doubt that’s true.

But outside of such a mystical place, if you remove Isaako’s 4-5 minutes of hell either side of half-time; we go into the break at 18 all and are not defending for the entire start to the second half. But if that’s not enough for you, consider this: 2 months ago TC wouldn’t have even been penalised let alone binned. But for as long as League has been played, Isaako’s clangers have been errors.

It’s obvious that Walters agrees too, as he hooked Isaako, but not TC. Wonder why that is.

Again with the idiotic statements. Had it not been for Gambles terrible defence we would have gone into half-time with a substantial lead. So what? You made a stupid claim, I've proven it was false. Why is your ego so fragile that you cannot concede that Robati's sinbin, which directly led to two tries and much greater fatigue was THE major turning point of the match?

Isaako didn't have 4-5 minutes of hell as it's a team sport and the ball passed through many hands during that time.

KW replacing Isaako has nothing to do with your incorrect claim. Fucked if I know why you just cannot accept you made a mistake. Such ego.

 

[Huge]

@Huge you understand how momentum works in a game hey? Isaako killed our momentum, and with such a weak-hearted team, dumb mistakes like that make the team drop their heads. Also fullback is an important position. When our fullback has a game like that, we lose.

I wonder how much involvement you have had in rugby league that doesn't involve just watching it? Or team sports in general because some of your takes are way too literal and often don't take into account context and variables. Isaako has lost us numerous games by changing momentum, this game in particular.

I don't accept baseless unproven claims in much the same way you don't...when you don't agree with them that is. Momentum changed when Gamble made a terrible miss for the Saints first try. You understand how momentum works, right?

Obviously that's a baseless claim but it's as valid as your claims blaming Isaako.

The game was close, 24-18 when Isaako fucked up the ptb but you can isolate any moment prior and claim it was important but that doesn't mean it was. Once again I repeat, I've only argued that the crucial turning point in the match, the true momentum change was Robati being sent. Anyone who argues that some other point was the big moment simply has no understanding of rugby league.

 

[Huge]

He was playing poorly before the brain explosion on half time as well.

Examples? How was the rest of the team going?