Jack Bird Discussion

[broncsgoat]

To be fair however you would think all doctors think about the patients first not the clubs they are with. They have their own duty of care to worry about.

This.

They knew he could get through whatever games they needed him for with a bung shoulder and gave zero ***** about him long term because it served them no benefit.

Straight up grubs.

 

[Porthoz]

Be fair old mate, Bird could have seen his own doctor privately like any regular person ,learned the results of scans and recommendations and received the proper treatment......all on his own. He isn't an infant, he's a grown man who, realising he's on the outer with his club could have began the treatment process there and then, of his own volition. If you're hurt you're hurt, his club would have had no say, they couldn't have stopped him having treatment if HE wanted it. I doubt the Sharks did anything any other club wouldn't have and wisdom tells me there's probably much more to the saga than we've been told.

And yet, when it was the peptide saga, you've excused the players because of their trust of the club and medical staff.
Like you said, they aren't infants and should've known how dodgy the whole affair was, or at least consulted with their own doctor too... right?

 

[Foordy]

You think he can push the plate away with the other one? You think EPL clubs sign players for a heap with no medical? The sharks were making him pay for his own flight up here when we played them. That was the time to be checking him over. Buyer beware ...just saying.

As a side note champ I have had a shoulder reco and didn’t find an extra 10 and I’m no pro athlete.

firstly we wouldn't have been allowed to send him to our doctor until he was no longer contracted to the Sharks ... when he was officially a Broncos player and we were legally allowed to send him to our doctor, we sent him straight for scans on his shoulder ...

secondly, unlike the peptide scandal, this would have appeared above board and the player may have trusted his "doctor" to comply with his obligations and do what was in his best interest.

thirdly, even though you may have had a shoulder reco, you are not a professional athlete, so you wouldn't have spend years and years on the sort of high calorie diet that is needed to sustain their level of activity. unfortunately, when you are then unable to continue with that level of activity, it is easy to stack on the kilos. I'm sure the club trainers will get it off him before too long (if it is even as bad as you suggest).

 

[Huge]

This.

They knew he could get through whatever games they needed him for with a bung shoulder and gave zero ***** about him long term because it served them no benefit.

Straight up grubs.

To whom are you referring?

 

[Huge]

And yet, when it was the peptide saga, you've excused the players because of their trust of the club and medical staff.
Like you said, they aren't infants and should've known how dodgy the whole affair was, or at least consulted with their own doctor too... right?

It appears you're conflating issues. Are you saying the players from Cronulla, 6 or 7 years ago and Birds circumstances are somehow similar ? Something to do with trusting medical opinions?

On one hand we have players being administered supplements and receiving them in good faith, trusting the administration to act in their best interests.

On the other, we have a player who like all of us, knows his own body. Accordingly he could simply have visited his own private physician if he felt that the clubs( medical ) advice was not serving his best interest.

In both cases it would come down to whether a player or players trusted the advice they've received .

I don't get your point. Please elaborate.

 

[Foordy]

On one hand we have players being administered supplements and receiving them in good faith, trusting the administration to act in their best interests.

not to start this argument again ... but those players 6 or 7 years ago were obviously to STUPID to realize that something dodgy was going on when they were injected "off site" and told "not to tell anyone"

 

[Rico]

Wasn’t trying to throw hand grenades guys, in fact pleased I could promote some decent discussion around our big signing. I thinks it’s good to reflect on what we could have done better in an unfavourable situation.

Some guys talking up calorie counts like dieticians, others using the word conflating (that’s up there with one of the better words in my time on BHQ)

All good stuff ...

 

[Scorchie]

How cool is it that Jack Bird is playing for us this year!

Get excited!

 

[Porthoz]

It appears you're conflating issues. Are you saying the players from Cronulla, 6 or 7 years ago and Birds circumstances are somehow similar ? Something to do with trusting medical opinions?

On one hand we have players being administered supplements and receiving them in good faith, trusting the administration to act in their best interests.

On the other, we have a player who like all of us, knows his own body. Accordingly he could simply have visited his own private physician if he felt that the clubs( medical ) advice was not serving his best interest.

In both cases it would come down to whether a player or players trusted the advice they've received .

I don't get your point. Please elaborate.

Come on, don't play dumb, because you're not. You know exactly what I am talking about.

Like you said, both cases are about trusting Cronulla's medical staff. In the peptides case, you defended the players for trusting said advice, now you say the player is not an infant and should trust his own body. Which is it?

Regardless, in both cases we're looking at one very dodgy medical department from a very dodgy club, which I have little doubt have cheated their way into a premiership as much as the Storm did, and which I also have little doubt, wouldn't have issues screwing a player they know is going to a rival.

 

[Stix]

I'm wondering if we'll get the best out of Bird at all this season with this delayed surgery and lack of pre season.
Does anyone think we're going to have a bit of a failure to launch year with so many key players in rehab missing so much of the pre season? This and a very young forward pack might see us just making up numbers and giving it a red hot crack in 2019.

 

[holdzy]

not to start this argument again ... but those players 6 or 7 years ago were obviously to STUPID to realize that something dodgy was going on when they were injected "off site" and told "not to tell anyone"

Going to a vet instead of a doctor should have tipped them off.

 

[Super Freak]

Bird could have gone to another doctor.. Then again, the doctor dealing with his shoulder was one of the countries best..

Would you trust one of the countries best? He did. The Sharks took advantage of that.

 

[Huge]

Come on, don't play dumb, because you're not. You know exactly what I am talking about.

Like you said, both cases are about trusting Cronulla's medical staff. In the peptides case, you defended the players for trusting said advice, now you say the player is not an infant and should trust his own body. Which is it?

Regardless, in both cases we're looking at one very dodgy medical department from a very dodgy club, which I have little doubt have cheated their way into a premiership as much as the Storm did, and which I also have little doubt, wouldn't have issues screwing a player they know is going to a rival.

Trust his own body ? Where did I say that ?

How did a 6 week course of supplements taken 7 years ago help them win the 2016 premiership? That's just about as ludicrous a statement as has ever been made on here !

 

[Huge]

Bird could have gone to another doctor.. Then again, the doctor dealing with his shoulder was one of the countries best..

Would you trust one of the countries best? He did. The Sharks took advantage of that.

Could you shed some light on how the Sharks 'took advantage' of the doctor patient relationship most particularly the advice and treatment his injury. Are you suggesting the doctor committed some kind of crime and your statement seems to indicate some personel knowledge about the dealings.

 

[pagey]

Trust his own body ? Where did I say that ?

How did a 6 week course of supplements taken 7 years ago help them win the 2016 premiership? That's just about as ludicrous a statement as has ever been made on here !

You're kidding right ? If you believe they only used it for six weeks .Supplement my arse !
They should of had 2 year bans for performance enhancing substances not 2 weeks, it was a dead set joke .

 

[broncsgoat]

Could you shed some light on how the Sharks 'took advantage' of the doctor patient relationship most particularly the advice and treatment his injury. Are you suggesting the doctor committed some kind of crime and your statement seems to indicate some personel knowledge about the dealings.

That’s what I’m suggesting. One of the ‘nations best’ under the sharks employ couldn’t figure out he needed a fucking shoulder reconstruction. Spare me.

As soon as he came here he’s off to the OR. What they did was gross negligence.

 

[heartly87]

The reason the sharks are at fault is they pay the doc bills. I would like to know if he just got a ct or if he had an mri. Big difference in what can be shown injury wise. If the sharks couldn't be fucked and just wanted a star on the field they may have just sent hom for a ct scan to check for bone/structural damage. If they avoided the MRI then their pricks.

 

[Huge]

That’s what I’m suggesting. One of the ‘nations best’ under the sharks employ couldn’t figure out he needed a fucking shoulder reconstruction. Spare me.

As soon as he came here he’s off to the OR. What they did was gross negligence.

Okay, I get you're outright accusing an NRL club and one of Australia's best surgeons/ doctors of some sort of collusion and negligence.

Could you now present the evidence and have you forwarded it onto the NRL, police and AMA ?