JT No Try

[Big Pete]

83rd minute Johnathan Thurston comes up with what could have been the smartest play of the game. Instead of going for a risky shot at field goal, the maestro chips it into a corner runs his outside men onside leading to a crazy passage of play and I'm interested to get your perspective on this.

So Feldt knocks the ball backwards onto his legs at which point it goes forwards. Now the bunker believes that was the knock-on if this Tweet from the official account is any indication.

[TWEET]713332832223924224[/TWEET]

Is that correct?

Moving forward, Eden and JT race to the ball. It's so close that it's difficult to say who got the first touch, but the ball appears to come free and rotate off the ground while JT attempts to promote it. The side on seems to suggest that JT has a firmer grip of the ball than the front on, but is the evidence sufficient enough to over-turn the No Try ruling?

Lots of questions but this was a complicated moment that ended up deciding the game.

Even if you agree with it being a No Try, do you believe it should have been a Cowboys scrum feed?

We'll get an official answer over the coming days but I'm interested to see if anyone feels as if the Cows were hard done by.

 

[Super Freak]

Their reasoning is wrong.. I couldn't call that a knock on considering he knocked it back first.

Thurston touches the ball before Eden. It's extremely close and it takes frame by frame to see it, but he does.

After that, when Thurston tries to regather it, the ball rolls along the ground for just that split second.. He didn't have control of it the entire time.

Not enough sufficient evidence to overturn the decision. Fair call.

Considering Thurston touched the ball first, I don't think they get the scrum feed.

 

[1910]

Feldt didn't knock on.
Eden attacks the ball when not in the field of play. Which causes Thurston fumble.
Scrum Cows.

 

[ningnangnong]

My feeling was that Eden touched it a millisecond before Thurston, and as Eden's legs were in touch then he was already dead. That then makes the ball dead. Eden is basically just a weird shaped sideline. Cowboys were the last to touch it before this, ergo the ball was put dead by the Cowboys. Broncos scrum.

It's a stupid rule, but it's the rule.

 

[Art Vandelay]

83rd minute Johnathan Thurston comes up with what could have been the smartest play of the game. Instead of going for a risky shot at field goal, the maestro chips it into a corner runs his outside men onside leading to a crazy passage of play and I'm interested to get your perspective on this.

So Feldt knocks the ball backwards onto his legs at which point it goes forwards. Now the bunker believes that was the knock-on if this Tweet from the official account is any indication.

[TWEET]713332832223924224[/TWEET]

Is that correct?

Moving forward, Eden and JT race to the ball. It's so close that it's difficult to say who got the first touch, but the ball appears to come free and rotate off the ground while JT attempts to promote it. The side on seems to suggest that JT has a firmer grip of the ball than the front on, but is the evidence sufficient enough to over-turn the No Try ruling?

Lots of questions but this was a complicated moment that ended up deciding the game.

Even if you agree with it being a No Try, do you believe it should have been a Cowboys scrum feed?

We'll get an official answer over the coming days but I'm interested to see if anyone feels as if the Cows were hard done by.

Working in reverse order this is how I saw it:
Thurston knocked on. He didn't gather the ball cleanly even if he did have some semblance of control by the time he grounded it.
Eden was out when he touched the ball. I can't tell if he touches it before, after or simultaneously with JT.
Feldt did not knock on as the ball hit his leg below the knee and I cannot find anything in the rules stating that a kick requires intent.

Scrum feed depends solely on who touched the ball first after Feldt. I don't think there's a definitive angle on it, but my eyesight and TV aren't exactly high definition.

 

[Art Vandelay]

My feeling was that Eden touched it a millisecond before Thurston, and as Eden's legs were in touch then he was already dead. That then makes the ball dead. Eden is basically just a weird shaped sideline. Cowboys were the last to touch it before this, ergo the ball was put dead by the Cowboys. Broncos scrum.

It's a stupid rule, but it's the rule.

I don't think that's been the rule for general play since David Peachey's days. Otherwise every defending winger could put a foot on the sideline when fielding awkwardly placed kicks and get the scrumfeed.

 

[mitch222]

Thurston knocked on picking it up anyways
if the touch with Eden was simultaneous then the advantage goes with the attacking team so the Cowboys can't bitch about not getting the ball back
and feldts touch was forward
momentum was pushing him forward when he tried to bat the ball and even though it come off his knee there was no control and the ball bounced forward

 

[Big Pete]

Feldt did not knock on as the ball hit his leg below the knee and I cannot find anything in the rules stating that a kick requires intent.

Neither but how many times have we seen it where a player has gone to catch the ball, it's slipped through his hands, gone forwards off his legs and it's been called a knock on?

Maybe there's a black and white interpretation for a pass but anywhere else on the field and I reckon the ref calls it as such.

Not that I disagree with it being 'fine' but there's definitely a grey area there.

 

[Super Freak]

I don't think that's been the rule for general play since David Peachey's days. Otherwise every defending winger could put a foot on the sideline when fielding awkwardly placed kicks and get the scrumfeed.

That rule still exists, IIRC. It just very rarely happens.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Neither but how many times have we seen it where a player has gone to catch the ball, it's slipped through his hands, gone forwards off his legs and it's been called a knock on?

Maybe there's a black and white interpretation for a pass but anywhere else on the field and I reckon the ref calls it as such.

Not that I disagree with it being 'fine' but there's definitely a grey area there.

Yeah there's a lot of inconsistency with the way the knock on rule is applied but personally I'd prefer it if some of the referee's discretion was taken away because these 'common law' interpretations that work their way into the mainstream are garbage.

 

[Alec]

I don't think that's been the rule for general play since David Peachey's days. Otherwise every defending winger could put a foot on the sideline when fielding awkwardly placed kicks and get the scrumfeed.

They do do that, don't they? And it ends up being the same as out on the full?

 

[gordjw]

Locky was spot on IMO. In general play at any other time, that's (Feldt's touch) going to be a knock on.

 

[theshed]

They do do that, don't they? And it ends up being the same as out on the full?

Yeah but Eden didn't touch the ball on the full, it had bounced in the field of play before he touched it. Surely this means it's out off Eden?

if a ball is kicked and pulls up just short of the dead ball line and the defending fullback/winger steps over the dead ball line, turns around while still dead, and stretches out across the ground to touch the ball does that make it a drop out or 20 tap? Could players put their foot on the dead ball linr when defending there in goal instead of trying to get back into the field of play?


these aren't rhetorical questions, I actually don't know. My opinion on the decision is that I am happy to accept it but wouldn't have blown up if the call went against us. I'm just glad I wasn't in the bunker making the call.

 

[pennywisealfie]

I don't know why people don't think Feldt knocked on. The ball went forward off his body when he had originally touched it with his hand. It did come off his knee, but why should that matter? It wasn't a kick attempt.

If Feldt is taking a hitup and he drops the ball and it falls onto his knee and goes forward, people aren't saying "oh it's ok, it hit his knee, play on". It's a knock on 100% of the time.

If Feldt goes up for a bomb and taps the ball onto his leg and the ball rolls forward and then he lands on it, no way that's called a try.

In every other position, this is a knock on. Why is it because he is sideways, is it now play on? Easy call and I couldn't believe it took so long.

 

[broncos4life]

I don't know why people don't think Feldt knocked on. The ball went forward off his body when he had originally touched it with his hand. It did come off his knee, but why should that matter? It wasn't a kick attempt.

If Feldt is taking a hitup and he drops the ball and it falls onto his knee and goes forward, people aren't saying "oh it's ok, it hit his knee, play on". It's a knock on 100% of the time.

If Feldt goes up for a bomb and taps the ball onto his leg and the ball rolls forward and then he lands on it, no way that's called a try.

In every other position, this is a knock on. Why is it because he is sideways, is it now play on? Easy call and I couldn't believe it took so long.

Because JT cried about it, as simple as that. He is a protected species and I'm fucking over it.

 

[Kaz]

I think the grub Feldt knocks it on & so does JT.

So sick of JT bitching to the refs when things go against him or his team.

Now Paul Green is bitching about the obstruction call.

 

[tommy]

Yeah he is a whinger all right. When Maranta did well to get out of the ingoal he was having a cry about that too, running up to the ref trying to influence him to call a goal line dropout. Just play the whistle.

 

[Nashy]

I don't know why they even bother arguing on field, especially when it's a Bunker call. They're not going to overturn it, and they've seen a lot more angles than you possibly could on field.