Lets talk Expansion starting with Brisbane.

Wolfie said:
What assets do they have Huge? I know they had an interest in some apartment building worth about 2 million i heard they were selling. Dont they have a $2.5 million loan to be paid back in 12 months and another $1.5 million debt that has to be paid this week? Wont they have to sell a lot of any assets they have?

OH, and whats a Westigers?
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An apartment building worth 2mill , is it a block of 1.
 
It would have been worth 10 million had it not been declared a hazard zone after finding a sus-looking discarded jam jar there.
 
Swiss pete said:
14 teams play each other twice.
Plus relegation and promotion.
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There are problems with the relegation model and having a salary cap. Theoretically, all teams have a level playing field, so it is possible that someone like the Broncos (or any other high profile team) could get relegated. This would be a disaster for the ages for the NRL.

Relegation works for comps like the EPL because there is no salary cap, therefore the chance of a high profile team like Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea getting relegated (and damaging the comp) is minuscule.

It sounds like an interesting idea, but i'm not sure it works here.
 
Nashy said:
Would you support a hand me down team?

Relocation would be the worst. Start from scratch, the fans deserve more than a shit club just being moved.
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Players have to come from somewhere.
Don't wanna be the Titans starting out with everyone's rejects
 
Marty Deutschmann said:
Players have to come from somewhere.
Don't wanna be the Titans starting out with everyone's rejects
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I'd rather a club struggle for a couple of years than see a shitty club sent to a new market, and expect those new fans to support said shitty club.

Hi Perth! Here's your Sharks. You should love them, they have a shit history, they have a single premiership with a giant star next to it, they were done for drugs, they love cheating. Enjoy!
 
Nashy said:
I'd rather a club struggle for a couple of years than see a shitty club sent to a new market, and expect those new fans to support said shitty club.

Hi Perth! Here's your Sharks. You should love them, they have a shit history, they have a single premiership with a giant star next to it, they were done for drugs, they love cheating. Enjoy!
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From the very outside looking in, it appears to me that the NRL's ongoing operational plan for the future is to let any clubs that fall into financial trouble fold (no further bail outs) and then take the licence from them and give it to a new franchise. Following what happened with Souths, I do not think they have the balls to force anyone out, they will rely on natural attrition. So getting the number of Sydney teams reduced could be a long work in progress.
 
Salary caps seem to me the easy way out. Not to upset anyone , keep everyone happy.
It's a great way to establish a league.
But for a game to grow there must be the possibility for a new club to achieve success.
Example, Toronto Canada.
They started in the English lower divisions and worked their way up.
I believe , currently second division.
There always will be success and failure.
But for the game to grow, domestic and international, you need the excitement of big clubs to clash. And lesser clubs to try to catch up.
 
lynx000 said:
From the very outside looking in, it appears to me that the NRL's ongoing operational plan for the future is to let any clubs that fall into financial trouble fold (no further bail outs) and then take the licence from them and give it to a new franchise. Following what happened with Souths, I do not think they have the balls to force anyone out, they will rely on natural attrition. So getting the number of Sydney teams reduced could be a long work in progress.
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But the last few clubs that needed it, were bailed out, and some are still run by them. Have they said anything about this? Cause I see no hint of the NRL wanting to fix this problem.
 
Nashy said:
But the last few clubs that needed it, were bailed out, and some are still run by them. Have they said anything about this? Cause I see no hint of the NRL wanting to fix this problem.
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I agree. Granted, those teams like the Titans and Knights are non-Sydney teams, so they're seen as important strategically.
 
Morkel said:
I agree. Granted, those teams like the Titans and Knights are non-Sydney teams, so they're seen as important strategically.
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Yeah, I get that. A Sydney team is never going to accept "Too bad" while they keep paying the other shit clubs though. Hell, I would think it would be an instant court case.
 
Nashy said:
Yeah, I get that. A Sydney team is never going to accept "Too bad" while they keep paying the other shit clubs though. Hell, I would think it would be an instant court case.
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In those two scenarios though, didn't the NRL take the licence back and then sold the licence to new owners in the case of both the Titans and Newcastle? They have also now stated that there will be no further bail outs. In my view it would be a difficult court case for one of the clubs to run to say we have been financially irresponsible and got ourselves in a hole which we expect you (the NRL) to bale us out of, because you have done it for another club. They would want Perry Mason plus to win that argument.
 
Nashy said:
Yeah, I get that. A Sydney team is never going to accept "Too bad" while they keep paying the other shit clubs though. Hell, I would think it would be an instant court case.
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I agree on that too. And there are too many "old boys" from too many Sydney clubs for someone not to lean on the NRL and say "you're ruining history, and the NRL is bound by it's history" bullshit bullshit.

But if the NRL is pro-active, and outline its plan ahead of time, the relevant clubs will at least have been put on notice if they're in danger of being cut. The clubs can either scream to high heavens, or do something about it like rally sponsors and fans to make sure it won't be them that gets cut.
 
lynx000 said:
In those two scenarios though, didn't the NRL take the licence back and then sold the licence to new owners in the case of both the Titans and Newcastle? They have also now stated that there will be no further bail outs. In my view it would be a difficult court case for one of the clubs to run to say we have been financially irresponsible and got ourselves in a hole which we expect you (the NRL) to bale us out of, because you have done it for another club. They would want Perry Mason plus to win that argument.
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If they said that, I certainly missed it. If they follow that, then good. But I just cannot see the NRL having the balls to let a foundation / traditional club fall over and die.
 
The Broncos don't sell out games. Until they do, it's ridiculous to add a 2nd Brisbane team.

The only argument for it that I ever see is that The Broncos need to be brought back to a level playing field with Sydney clubs. Efforts should be on strengthening the weak and not trying to weaken the strong.
 
Ah Buzz, never stop being butthurt about our glorious club.
 
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