THE BOSS Maguire Stomped The Naysayers! But...8 Months Later, Here We Are.

Wolfie said:
You are also being selective by limiting it to 10 years to suit your agenda. I've had plenty of more enjoyable times watching the Broncos than watching us constantly implode under Kevvie, Seibold, Madge and even Bennett.
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Get out of denial wolfie. Its okay to say 2023 was the most successful year we'd had since 2006.
 
Sproj said:
Are we stacked? Let's not focus on rep level, focus on top 3 / 5 / 10 level in their position:

1. Walsh (Probably top 5 at his best, currently top 10)
2. Cobbo (Probably top 5 winger)
3. Staggs (Probably top 10)
4. Shibasaki (nope)
5. Arthars (Maybe top 10, maybe)
6. Mam (Top 3 at his best but hasn't played in forever)
7. Reynolds (Top 5)
8. Carrigan (Top 5 probably at prop, definite top 3 at lock)
9. Hunt (Probably top 3 at his best)
10. Haas (Best in his position)
11. Piakura (Nope)
12. Riki (Nope)
13. Hetherington (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Nope)

14. Walters / Paix / Mozer (Nope)
15. Jensen (Nope)
16. Willison (Nope but potential to get there)
17. Insert Name Here (Nope)

So when players are their BEST, we have these guys likely in top 3:
1. Walsh
2. Cobbo
6. Mam
7. Reynolds
9. Hunt
10. Haas
13. Carrigan

At present though, worrying, only one bloke is playing like a top 3 player - Haas.
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If we're talking about players playing at their best then Walsh isn't Top 5, because he lacks in defence and is still 50/50 under high balls.

My fullback rankings assume all in peak form:
1. Tom Trbojevic
2. Latrell Mitchell
3. James Tedesco
4. Kalyn Ponga (in peak form he's probably competing for Top 3, but hard to gauge because it's been awhile)
5. Ryan Papenhuyzen
6. Dylan Edwards
Walsh is in the next group after that with someone like Hammer... Hammer doesn't have the ball playing, but he's better under the highball and a better defender and probably a better runner of the ball (if he's given an inch of space he's a high likelihood of scoring a try from anywhere on the field by himself)

Cobbo is definitely not a Top 5 winger, but probably in the top 10... Arthars definitely not a top 10 winger
1. Brian Too
2. Zac Lomax
3. Xavier Coates
Ronaldo Mulitalo Top 5 Winger
Jacob Kiraz Top 5 Winger
Sunia Turuva Top 10 Winger
Jason Saab Top 10 Winger
William Warbrick Top 10 Winger
Selwyn Cobbo Top 10 Winger
Murray Taulagi Top 10 Winger
Other notables above Arthars: Daniel Tupou, Lehi Hopoate, Mark Nawaqanitawase, Paul Alamoti, Jamayne Isaako (hit and miss, but his peak form is better than Jesse's), Sione Katoa

Competing with Arthars pending what you prefer out of your wingers: Josh Addo-Carr, Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, Dominic Young (overpaid, but can make meters, finish and has x factor when in form), Marcelo Montoya

Mam isn't a Top 3 five eight, but in the conversation for Top 5... only because it is a pretty terrible position across the league:
1. Munster
2. Luai
3. Dearden
Others in contention for Top 5:
Jayden Campbell (better 6/1 than 7), Dylan Brown (overpaid, but still a good player), Ezra Mam, Cody Walker (when in peak form he's in the Top 5)

Hunt as a top 3 hooker needs to be based on how he performs week in week out in NRL... guys he would be competing with are:
1. Harry
The rest: Api, Robson, Bhunt, JMK, Egan, etc.

Can't really argue with the rest... Haas is best in his group, Patty is Top 3 with Yeo and Murray... Reynolds is within the Top 5, but competing with Hughes and Moses for Top 3 with Cleary number 1.
 
Manofoneway said:
Get out of denial wolfie. Its okay to say 2023 was the most successful year we'd had since 2006.
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So you class success as failing to win the biggest game of the year? Winners dont class failure as a success. Winners turn up the next year and improve, not implode like we did.

You simply have to use the 10 year time frame to suit your agenda, and even then, our 2015 side would have more than likely beaten this mythical ( in your mind ) 2023 side.

It feels like you are using Madge's current struggles as some kind of copium for Kevvies termination. As i have said previously, Madge not being up to the job so far doesnt change the fact Kevvie was also not up to the job.
 
While i dont like Madge and i dont think he is the right man for the job, he is going to need us going through this sort of thing to see who's up to it and who isnt. Its not something he's going to find out quickly and it will take some time.

The big thing will be how he reacts to what he see's. Thats when we will truly see if he has what it takes to turn us around.
 
Santa said:
That's not really looking at it logically. That's looking at it at face value with no context - how someone like Buzz would.

Logic would factor in what Kevvie inherited (a wooden spoon team - and a broken front office), and the continuous improvement that was made every year all the way to the grand final. 2024 seems to be the exception as the one year we didn't improve on the previous (noting all the distractions and injuries as well).
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He did a good job getting us to become respectable again ... but he failed in 3 of his 4 years as head coach. that's not opinion, that's a fact.

You should know by now BHQ doesn't tolerate just becoming respectable. unfortunately, BHQ also doesn't give a coach time to change bad habits, change muscle memory so we don't go back to making the same poor decisions under fatigue, or time to remove dead wood from the squad.

In his first year in charge, coming off the worst season in the clubs history, BHQ started a thread that spanned 387 pages and 4 seasons. and that against a club legend ... Madge was on a hiding to nothing when he did the one thing no professional rugby league coach should ever do. sign a contract to coach the Brisbane Broncos.
 
Dexter said:
That's just bed-wetting mentality.
I'm 100% certain the coach isn't telling the players to run out on the 1st tackle like Mariner did against Souffs or any other of the soft choices made in attack going for broke early in tackle counts.

It takes a little time to change habits entrenched from the Kev attack from anywhere years.
I'm happy for him to get a bit more than 10 games in before shitting myself.

I think we do have a soft underbelly, I hated the way Staggs didn't defend Billy when Burton dogshot blind sided him or anyone take exception to Piakura getting kneed in the head.

If we're prepared to accept that without retaliation that is as weak as piss but that's on the players.
They get bullied and they're not up for the fight, that goes to depth of character and shows zero leadership or pride on the field it's ****ing submissive and has no place in a successful rugby league teams mentality.

I'm pretty sure it's not madge who has instilled this in them but madge needs to change it and soon.
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Lol you just made think of how Bellamy would've reacted if he was our coach for the Rabbits game last weekend...

Honestly, I don't think he'd be alive. He would've had an aneurysm/stroke/heart attack.
 
Sproj said:
Are we stacked? Let's not focus on rep level, focus on top 3 / 5 / 10 level in their position:

1. Walsh (Probably top 5 at his best, currently top 10)
2. Cobbo (Probably top 5 winger)
3. Staggs (Probably top 10)
4. Shibasaki (nope)
5. Arthars (Maybe top 10, maybe)
6. Mam (Top 3 at his best but hasn't played in forever)
7. Reynolds (Top 5)
8. Carrigan (Top 5 probably at prop, definite top 3 at lock)
9. Hunt (Probably top 3 at his best)
10. Haas (Best in his position)
11. Piakura (Nope)
12. Riki (Nope)
13. Hetherington (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Nope)

14. Walters / Paix / Mozer (Nope)
15. Jensen (Nope)
16. Willison (Nope but potential to get there)
17. Insert Name Here (Nope)

So when players are their BEST, we have these guys likely in top 3:
1. Walsh
2. Cobbo
6. Mam
7. Reynolds
9. Hunt
10. Haas
13. Carrigan

At present though, worrying, only one bloke is playing like a top 3 player - Haas.
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That's great, now do the Rabbits team from last week... hmmmm.
 
Wolfie said:
So you class success as failing to win the biggest game of the year? Winners dont class failure as a success. Winners turn up the next year and improve, not implode like we did.

You simply have to use the 10 year time frame to suit your agenda, and even then, our 2015 side would have more than likely beaten this mythical ( in your mind ) 2023 side.

It feels like you are using Madge's current struggles as some kind of copium for Kevvies termination. As i have said previously, Madge not being up to the job so far doesnt change the fact Kevvie was also not up to the job.
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Yes well, what I class is successful is irrelevant. I'm just saying that 2023 was our "most" successful season since 2006. I have never hidden the fact that I thought Kevy should have got another year, It's just my opinion.

Using a 10 or 19 year timeframe to suit my agenda is exactly the same as saying Kev only made 1 finals in 4 seasons. The truth of the matter is, Kev inherited a wooden spoon side and improved them every year resulting in a grand final within 3 years of being the worst team in the comp.

Anyway, whatever you say in reply will be some sort of denialist tripe just to disagree with another mute point associated with it. Why you save yourself the hassle and just keep scrolling ;). I don't really care what you have to say! :happy:
 
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Manofoneway said:
Yes well, what I class is successful is irrelevant. I'm just saying that 2023 was our "most" successful season since 2006. I have never hidden the fact that I thought Kevy should have got another year, It's just my opinion.

Using a 10 or 19 year timeframe to suit my agenda is exactly the same as saying Kev only made 1 finals in 4 seasons. The truth of the matter is, Kev inherited a wooden spoon side and improved them every year resulting in a grand final within 3 years of being the worst team in the comp.

Anyway, whatever you say in reply will be some sort of denialist tripe just to disagree with another mute point associated with it. Why you save yourself the hassle and just keep scrolling ;). I don't really care what you have to say! :happy:
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Hello Mr Pot. Meet Mr Kettle.

And you obviously do care, or your wouldnt either reply or get so defensive whenever there is Kevvie criticism.

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Foordy said:
He did a good job getting us to become respectable again ... but he failed in 3 of his 4 years as head coach. that's not opinion, that's a fact.
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Yea, but my point is it's facts without context. And inheriting the worst team in the NRL is pretty big context. The rebuild he did, and in the time he did it in - doesnt equal failure to me. I don't think any NRL coach has made such a drastic improvement to a wooden spoon team. Ever.

Foordy said:
You should know by now BHQ doesn't tolerate just becoming respectable. unfortunately, BHQ also doesn't give a coach time to change bad habits, change muscle memory so we don't go back to making the same poor decisions under fatigue, or time to remove dead wood from the squad.

In his first year in charge, coming off the worst season in the clubs history, BHQ started a thread that spanned 387 pages and 4 seasons. and that against a club legend ... Madge was on a hiding to nothing when he did the one thing no professional rugby league coach should ever do. sign a contract to coach the Brisbane Broncos.
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Yea - no comment on BHQ.
 
Santa said:
Yea, but my point is it's facts without context. And inheriting the worst team in the NRL is pretty big context. The rebuild he did, and in the time he did it in - doesnt equal failure to me. I don't think any NRL coach has made such a drastic improvement to a wooden spoon team. Ever.


Yea - no comment on BHQ.
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Kevvie did a great job in terms of getting us back to being respectable. He put some decent building blocks in place for somebody to carry on and take it further.
 
Is this the most divided the fan base, or at least BHQ has ever been?
 
Wolfie said:
Kevvie did a great job in terms of getting us back to being respectable. He put some decent building blocks in place for somebody to carry on and take it further.
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Yea, I just thought that after what he did for us, we would have given him that chance.

Anyway, it's now on Madge to take that next step. It's looking shakey, but it's a long season.
 
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