Next Broncos coach

[Unbreakable]

Is it though?

I would say no to be honest, I'd much rather coach the 2021 Warriors in terms of raw talent. They've got plenty.

RTS, Maumalo, Fuitu'a, Aitken, Nikorima, CHT, Tohu, Katoa, Jazz, etc.

Compare that to the Cowboys list of talented players..

Holmes, Drinkwater, Feldt, Taumalolo... Hess..?.. Morgan?...

 

[ParraMania]

Green left the Cowboys 2 weeks before the house started burning down around Pies.

I will start supporting the Donkos if Paul Green isn't your next coach and wasn't already getting the inside running weeks before all this went Aaron Spelling style.

 

[The True King]

I would say no to be honest, I'd much rather coach the 2021 Warriors in terms of raw talent. They've got plenty.

RTS, Maumalo, Fuitu'a, Aitken, Nikorima, CHT, Tohu, Katoa, Jazz, etc.

Compare that to the Cowboys list of talented players..

Holmes, Drinkwater, Feldt, Taumalolo... Hess..?.. Morgan?...

You forgot Robson, Tabuai-Fideau, Clifford, Opacic.. arguably Lemuelu and Gilbert too. Dunn probably won't be the player the Cowboys hoped but still only 23yo.

It's a pretty close race but considering RTS' contract situation and the fact the Cows actually have a decent 9, their squad is probably stronger at this point.

 

[Unbreakable]

You forgot Robson, Tabuai-Fideau, Clifford, Opacic.. arguably Lemuelu and Gilbert too.

I don't think any of those guys are particularly outstanding. Robson was pretty disappointing this year considering the raps he had on him coming to the Cowboys. HTF was atrocious outside of 1-2 good individual tries. Clifford started the season well but completely fell off a cliff mid-season, Opacic is bog average, as are Lemuelu & Gilbert.

 

[The True King]

I don't think any of those guys are particularly outstanding. Robson was pretty disappointing this year considering the raps he had on him coming to the Cowboys. HTF was atrocious outside of 1-2 good individual tries. Clifford started the season well but completely fell off a cliff mid-season, Opacic is bog average, as are Lemuelu & Gilbert.

I think Robson was excellent back end of last season and had some decent games this year too. Hindered by all the shuffling in spine and Granville on the bench. Somewhat agree on HTF but he's 18yo so give it time. Clifford might be more an issue of poor coaching and playing behind a dominated pack (similar to Drinkwater and Holmes) rather than being a poor player but again we will see in time.

Many were calling for Opacic back at the Broncos just a few weeks ago. I read somewhere Roosters were sniffing around him but maybe that was rubbish. Anyway, I'll grant you Lemuelu and Gilbert (not that there are many elite 20yo locks in the comp atm).

This thread is at risk of being hijacked by this digression so maybe we just agree to disagree. My original comment was not intended as a slight on the Warriors in any way.

 

[Foordy]

As far as I'm concerned, the board can eat a big, fat turd sandwich in relation to Bennett and do what's best for the club or they can move on. Who cares if they were initially wrong and will have their feelings hurt if Bennett comes back.

As far as Bennett and Ikin go, it may be an issue but maybe they can act professionally, and again act in the best interests of the club.

I just think if Kevvie is coach, I think he'll need some solid help to turn this shit storm around and I think Bennett would be perfect in such a role.

it is 1000% the wrong move to bring Bennett back, this club needs to move on from him or it will be a long time before we taste Premiership success again.

I liken it, to continuing to go back to you ex because you fear the future.

i agree with Ikin on this one, here is what he says (plus the model he would use)


“No it’s not a model I would push for,” Ikin told The Sunday Ticket on Fox League.

“I think Wayne’s time at the Brisbane Broncos is done. He’s had two stints, he’s achieved much success. If you’re going to do anything with Wayne at the club you’re going to celebrate his legacy and not much more than that.

“At his core, at the centre of his being, Wayne Bennett is a coach. To think he’s going to come back into a senior coaching director’s role, and sort of not get his hands dirty while peering over the shoulder of a first-time NRL coach like Kevvie Walters … even if Paul Green gets the job, for Wayne to fill that role I think would be too big a distraction for the football program.

“He’s got such a huge personality, and based on some of the bad blood that’s unfolded in recent times I don’t think it’s something the club needs to do.

“If you’re going to give the job to Kevvie Walters I would much prefer to see a model where rather than get a senior coaching director over the top, get some really experienced assistants to support Kev.

“So he feels at that club, if he ends up as coach, that he can do it his way, not Wayne’s way.”

 

[abashii]

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Good info ta, but a bunch of the paragraphs got duplicated.

 

[Kooly87]

it is 1000% the wrong move to bring Bennett back, this club needs to move on from him or it will be a long time before we taste Premiership success again.

I liken it, to continuing to go back to you ex because you fear the future.

i agree with Ikin on this one, here is what he says (plus the model he would use)


“No it’s not a model I would push for,” Ikin told The Sunday Ticket on Fox League.

“I think Wayne’s time at the Brisbane Broncos is done. He’s had two stints, he’s achieved much success. If you’re going to do anything with Wayne at the club you’re going to celebrate his legacy and not much more than that.

“At his core, at the centre of his being, Wayne Bennett is a coach. To think he’s going to come back into a senior coaching director’s role, and sort of not get his hands dirty while peering over the shoulder of a first-time NRL coach like Kevvie Walters … even if Paul Green gets the job, for Wayne to fill that role I think would be too big a distraction for the football program.

“He’s got such a huge personality, and based on some of the bad blood that’s unfolded in recent times I don’t think it’s something the club needs to do.

“If you’re going to give the job to Kevvie Walters I would much prefer to see a model where rather than get a senior coaching director over the top, get some really experienced assistants to support Kev.

“So he feels at that club, if he ends up as coach, that he can do it his way, not Wayne’s way.”

I can certainly appreciate Ikin's line of thinking here, but it is hard not to feel it might be a little more personally motivated than he's letting on here. To put that in perspective with how obvious it sounds, if we were having the same conversation about the possibility of getting Craig Bellamy in that sort of role, it's very hard indeed to picture Ikin singing the same tune.

I don't begrudge him that to an extent because if he is to be the incoming CEO he's entitled to want to hire people in prominent roles that he can work harmoniously with. I guess it's up to him to decide if he feels he can put personal differences aside if Wayne was able to be useful at the Broncos going forward.

I also think he's missing something here when he talks about Bennett being so hands on, and that is Wayne's age and the point he's at in his life, both of which are going to continue to take a toll on how hands on he's prepared to be from a Coaching perspective going forward. He might well be very hands on if he got the role tomorrow, which might actually be a good thing for Walters sake, but in 3 years time or even 5 years time I think that would be fairly unlikely to continue to be the case as age and time limits Wayne's hands on involvement.

I also don't see why in Ikin's mind we need to have a competent Football/Coaching Director OR hire experienced and competent Assistant Coaches. There is literally nothing stopping us from doing both those things and ideally we probably should look to do both.

 

[The Strapper]

it is 1000% the wrong move to bring Bennett back, this club needs to move on from him or it will be a long time before we taste Premiership success again.

I liken it, to continuing to go back to you ex because you fear the future.

i agree with Ikin on this one, here is what he says (plus the model he would use)


“No it’s not a model I would push for,” Ikin told The Sunday Ticket on Fox League.

“I think Wayne’s time at the Brisbane Broncos is done. He’s had two stints, he’s achieved much success. If you’re going to do anything with Wayne at the club you’re going to celebrate his legacy and not much more than that.

“At his core, at the centre of his being, Wayne Bennett is a coach. To think he’s going to come back into a senior coaching director’s role, and sort of not get his hands dirty while peering over the shoulder of a first-time NRL coach like Kevvie Walters … even if Paul Green gets the job, for Wayne to fill that role I think would be too big a distraction for the football program.

“He’s got such a huge personality, and based on some of the bad blood that’s unfolded in recent times I don’t think it’s something the club needs to do.

“If you’re going to give the job to Kevvie Walters I would much prefer to see a model where rather than get a senior coaching director over the top, get some really experienced assistants to support Kev.

“So he feels at that club, if he ends up as coach, that he can do it his way, not Wayne’s way.”

Interesting comments by Ikin and on the face of it they make a lot of sense.
The only thing I would be cautious about is if they are driven by the supposed rift between Ikin and Bennett but I obviously don't know this for sure.
Ikin is obviously laying the groundwork that if he gets the ceo's job he will not contemplate Bennett returning to the club in any capacity.

 

[theshed]

‘Wayne’s time at the Broncos is done’: Ikin advises against Bennett return to Red Hill

‘Wayne’s time at the Broncos is done’: Ikin advises against Bennett return to Red Hill

www.foxsports.com.au

Looks like Ikin does not like the idea and he makes some good points. Wayne is to powerful and would not be able to stop himself from getting involved. Also the media would likely claim any success that the club has is Wayne's doing and not the coach. Looking at it this way I think Ikin is right. If Kev gets the job he just needs a good support crew not the greatest coach in the game looking over his shoulder.

“Also the media claim any success that club has is Wayne’s doing and not the coach”

Ill take club success, and I don’t care how the media says we achieved. The coach needs to suck it up and be happy that the team is successful.

I’m not completely sold on Wayne coming back in a director role but maybe at some point we just have to accept that the Brisbane Broncos are Wayne Bennett. We’ve always been solid on and off the field when he’s in charge.

 

[Kooly87]

“Also the media claim any success that club has is Wayne’s doing and not the coach”

Ill take club success, and I don’t care how the media says we achieved. The coach needs to suck it up and be happy that the team is successful.

I’m not completely sold on Wayne coming back in a director role but maybe at some point we just have to accept that the Brisbane Broncos are Wayne Bennett. We’ve always been solid on and off the field when he’s in charge.

It's EXACTLY the kind of role Bennett should always have been moving into for us when he was ready to move out of full time Coaching. Bennett himself acknowledged it in his succession plan with Demetriou and even Paul White was prepared to offer Wayne that same opportunity despite their personal falling out.

Wayne and Craig Bellamy would be terrific pick ups for any club in that sort of capacity if they're ready to move out of full time Coachingand we'd be foolish to rule it out if it's even partly a personal fall out that motivates the decision, which it's very, very hard to say is not playing a role in Ikin's thinking here. Honestly, even at absolute minimum, the objective and professional thing for Ikin to do is be open minded about how such an arrangement would work and who would be responsible for what before publicly coming out and dismissing the idea altogether.

 

[1910]

I can certainly appreciate Ikin's line of thinking here, but it is hard not to feel it might be a little more personally motivated than he's letting on here. To put that in perspective with how obvious it sounds, if we were having the same conversation about the possibility of getting Craig Bellamy in that sort of role, it's very hard indeed to picture Ikin singing the same tune.

I don't begrudge him that to an extent because if he is to be the incoming CEO he's entitled to want to hire people in prominent roles that he can work harmoniously with. I guess it's up to him to decide if he feels he can put personal differences aside if Wayne was able to be useful at the Broncos going forward.

I also think he's missing something here when he talks about Bennett being so hands on, and that is Wayne's age and the point he's at in his life, both of which are going to continue to take a toll on how hands on he's prepared to be from a Coaching perspective going forward. He might well be very hands on if he got the role tomorrow, which might actually be a good thing for Walters sake, but in 3 years time or even 5 years time I think that would be fairly unlikely to continue to be the case as age and time limits Wayne's hands on involvement.

I also don't see why in Ikin's mind we need to have a competent Football/Coaching Director OR hire experienced and competent Assistant Coaches. There is literally nothing stopping us from doing both those things and ideally we probably should look to do both.

Ikin commented the other night, he wouldn't hesitate to vote for Bennett to coach Queensland again if the job came up. So I don't think he is letting personal opinion cloud his judgement. He just doesn't think he's suited to the Broncos anymore.

 

[Kooly87]

Ikin commented the other night, he wouldn't hesitate to vote for Bennett to coach Queensland again if the job came up. So I don't think he is letting personal opinion cloud his judgement. He just doesn't think he's suited to the Broncos anymore.

I suspect it's very different for a Board Member to approve a Coach in an Origin role that he doesn't need to have any day to day involvement with compared to taking on Bennett in the sort of role at the Broncos being discussed, assuming he'd be more or less directly answerable to Ikin on a day to day basis if he was also installed as CEO.

I don't doubt he still believes Bennett has plenty to offer as a Coach, I suspect he just doesn't overly fancy having to work closely with him on a regular basis.

 

[Dexter]

I can certainly appreciate Ikin's line of thinking here, but it is hard not to feel it might be a little more personally motivated than he's letting on here. To put that in perspective with how obvious it sounds, if we were having the same conversation about the possibility of getting Craig Bellamy in that sort of role, it's very hard indeed to picture Ikin singing the same tune.

I don't begrudge him that to an extent because if he is to be the incoming CEO he's entitled to want to hire people in prominent roles that he can work harmoniously with. I guess it's up to him to decide if he feels he can put personal differences aside if Wayne was able to be useful at the Broncos going forward.

I also think he's missing something here when he talks about Bennett being so hands on, and that is Wayne's age and the point he's at in his life, both of which are going to continue to take a toll on how hands on he's prepared to be from a Coaching perspective going forward. He might well be very hands on if he got the role tomorrow, which might actually be a good thing for Walters sake, but in 3 years time or even 5 years time I think that would be fairly unlikely to continue to be the case as age and time limits Wayne's hands on involvement.

I also don't see why in Ikin's mind we need to have a competent Football/Coaching Director OR hire experienced and competent Assistant Coaches. There is literally nothing stopping us from doing both those things and ideally we probably should look to do both.

You're making some assumptions that as people age they all want to take a step back That is not the case with so many people especially people who are doing exactly what they want. Coaching is what drives Wayne. I agree with Ikin that he couldn't keep from "helping" coach the side.
Time we move on. Kevvie needs to be the guy not an extension of Wayne IMO.

 

[Kooly87]

You're making some assumptions that as people age they all want to take a step back That is not the case with so many people especially people who are doing exactly what they want. Coaching is what drives Wayne. I agree with Ikin that he couldn't keep from "helping" coach the side.
Time we move on. Kevvie needs to be the guy not an extension of Wayne IMO.

If I'm making assumptions about age and personal lifestyle factors impacting Wayne as he continues to age (factors which affect basically ever human being on the planet at some point) then I think it's probably fair to say that you and Ikin are also making some assumptions about Wayne and his ability to recognise his new role and the need to give Walters the space and scope to make his own mark on the place.

I think it's especially presumptuous because realistically Bennett is still probably one of the most in demand Coaches in the game and if he WANTED to keep Coaching full time as a Head Coach, he almost certainly could do exactly that at any number of clubs. The fact he's the one openly talking about taking a different and presumably less hands on role on, which is the same offer he made with Demetriou and the Broncos two years ago as well mind you so it's not as this is out of the blue, then I think one could reasonably assume Wayne, after several decades in the Head Coaching game, knows in himself he's really ready to move into the next chapter of his career.

 

[broncos4life]

Bennett's time at the Broncos is done, we can't keep going back. No more Bennett.

 

[ostin86]

We need to move on from Wayne. We have to find a way to resurrect our club without relying on the Wayne Bennett stimulus package.

Rather than trying to become what we used to be, let's aim to build a new culture focussed on long term success rather than a short term fix. Great things are rarely achieved without set backs, tough times and just good old hard work! Our re-emergence will be all the more sweeter for it.

 

[Cult]

Why can’t Wayne be treated like an old boy? He doesn’t necessarily need a job at the club but we bring him in once every couple of months to chat with the players and do some guest coaching. Way better than coming in on day one and tearing every poster that has his face on it down. Embrace his legacy, don’t shit on it.