Queensland Cup 2022

[Foordy]

Maybe it does but If I am Dave and Ikin I want to hear more than that from your pitch and the first two things I am asking is why did it work at the Storm the exact system you say is broken and what have you fixed from the other two times?

I'm not making a pitch, I'm making a joke.

If you want my opinion I'm on @Cult Side (damn that's weird to say).

I think when they scraped the NYC, the missed an opportunity to go back to the future and revive the old national reserve grade comp.

With the NSW/QLD cups at the 3rd tier

 

[1910]

And your fixes......

I think you need to help the clubs- Storm support the Falcons and Tigers to a ridiculous level. They do PD with the coaching staff, they send their staff to their club. Bunn is based on the Sunshine Coast, coaching staff talk to Bellamy every week.

The clubs play exactly how the Storm play with the same calls and actions. They created two mini storms in Queensland and it has worked.

You don't need another team or your own team. You need to professionally engage with the teams you choose and leave your finger prints on them- you get benefits like Hynes and they get benefits of getting better at their job and helping the Storm.

Wynnum, Norths and Souths are great resource use it better. Remember two of the three made the Grand Final last year- they're not bottom feeders. Norths coach has just gone to SL, Wynnum signed Martin, they helped Cobbo. Souths just won the MM.

 

[Foordy]

I think you need to help the clubs- Storm support the Falcons and Tigers to a ridiculous level. They do PD with the coaching staff, they send their staff to their club. Bunn is based on the Sunshine Coast, coaching staff talk to Bellamy every week.

The clubs play exactly how the Storm play with the same calls and actions. They created two mini storms in Queensland and it has worked.

You don't need another team or your own team. You need to professionally engage with the teams you choose and leave your finger prints on them- you get benefits like Hynes and they get benefits of getting better at their job and helping the Storm.

Wynnum, Norths and Souths are great resource use it better. Remember two of the three made the Grand Final last year- they're not bottom feeders. Norths coach has just gone to SL, Wynnum signed Martin, they helped Cobbo. Souths just won the MM.

Isn't that almost exactly what @Jedhead has been saying. Just expanded on a bit

 

[Jedhead]

I think you need to help the clubs- Storm support the Falcons and Tigers to a ridiculous level. They do PD with the coaching staff, they send their staff to their club. Bunn is based on the Sunshine Coast, coaching staff talk to Bellamy every week.

The clubs play exactly how the Storm play with the same calls and actions. They created two mini storms in Queensland and it has worked.

You don't need another team or your own team. You need to professionally engage with the teams you choose and leave your finger prints on them- you get benefits like Hynes and they get benefits of getting better at their job and helping the Storm.

Wynnum, Norths and Souths are great resource use it better. Remember two of the three made the Grand Final last year- they're not bottom feeders. Norths coach has just gone to SL, Wynnum signed Martin, they helped Cobbo. Souths just won the MM.

Doh, is that not what I have been suggesting? I said a club like Souths keep their name, their colours etc. and are just run on a more professional basis. We could have two if you like, say Souths and Wynuum. We could even have the backs playing at Wynuum and the forwards at Souths.

 

[1910]

Isn't that almost exactly what @Jedhead has been saying. Just expanded on a bit

He wants one team and Storm don't dominate the sides- Falcons and Easts still do their own recruiting and have their players the two or three Storm guys just drop in on Saturday. They're not 17 Storm guys.

 

[1910]

Doh, is that not what I have been suggesting? I said a club like Souths keep their name, their colours etc. and are just run on a more professional basis. We could have two if you like, say Souths and Wynuum. We could even have the backs playing at Wynuum and the forwards at Souths.

You have said several times you want one team and every Bronco there- that's nothing like what the Storm do.

 

[Jedhead]

You have said several times you want one team and every Bronco there- that's nothing like what the Storm do.

The only difference is the Storm do it with two clubs we're currently trying to do it with three clubs which is stretching our resources and our players too much. But I have suggested the same as what you just said teh Storm were doing in terms of creating a 'mini- Broncos' system in so much as getting teh clubs to replicate the structures of the first grade side and having Broncos staff work closer with the clubs.

 

[Cult]

**** the Storm. Their ability to manipulate QLD Cup teams to do the dirty work is bullshit. The Storm can be used as a good example of a club working with their next level when they have a relationship with anyone or show actual growth in their home city or state.

Plus Q Cup teams don’t want to work with the Broncos. Most people involved in that competition believe the Broncos ruined their amazing part time competition.

 

[Cult]

The deals signed with our 3 feeder clubs also seem very one sided.

• This strategic long-term alignment solidifies creates a nursery of male and female talent right across the city of Brisbane;
• The Broncos Commercial team working alongside all three Affiliate Clubs, developing commercial opportunities that extend across the NRL and NRLW Teams, Intrust Super Cup Clubs, and Junior teams;
• The Broncos will run fan activations at nominated Intrust Super Cup matches in 2021, providing rewarding experiences for grassroots supporters;
• The three Affiliate Clubs will also promote Broncos events and matches throughout the season;
• Broncos Fans will also be able to keep up to date with the emerging stars via weekly Intrust Super Cup match reports that will feature across Broncos digital Channels.

Fucking Paul White and the other idiots have signed a 3 year deal that basically puts our logo on their shit and means we send our players to them. If I actually believed the Queensland Cup teams and those involved with them wanted the Broncos to be successful, everyone I've met that's involved with them (1910 included) says otherwise, I'd think they would want proper relationships with the Broncos..

Our deals with the Queensland Cup are merely promotional with no substance. Until the Queensland Cup teams and the Broncos put their egos aside, as well as their hatred for us because we ruined their sacred competition, these deals will be worthless. And the previous bosses of the Broncos making shit deals doesn't mean the Q Cup is the best option either. It isn't, because they don't possess the ability to actually grow the game or support our players in the best way.

 

[Jedhead]

Has there been any update on how Piakura ended up over the weekend?

 

[Wolfie]

I dont think you can use Queensland Cup to just have a Broncos reserve grade team. For me, its got to be either the system we are using now, with a few tweaks maybe to improve how we do things, or we need to have a genuine reserve grade competition thats seperate from Queensland/NSW cup. where possibly you play the games before the NRL fixture. I think the big issue with that though is going to be the cost to the clubs.

 

[Cult]

Also, 1910 would have you believe the Broncos killed the Clydesdale, but originally we rescued them when they hit hard times in the late 90's that would have seen them die in 1999 after they played their last two games of the season with 16 players because they didn't have the players at all. When the Broncos pulled out the Clydesdales were still running at a loss of 250k a year, and were still receiving cash injections from the Broncos despite no benefit to them.

The Clydesdales not being able to support themselves before, during and after the Broncos involvement says more about them than it does about the Broncos.

Then Aspley decided not to supply teams to the FOGs competition, Broncos decided to spread their players among many Q Cup teams and the Under 20's comp began meaning feeder club deals had to change. Aspley were again running at a loss because of their decisions to play in numerous competitions (which was actually covered by sponsorships). The losses were more accurately explained by rising employment costs, increase in nomination fees, insurance and fines, as well as a 67k "Anniversary Wenty tip".

Both Clydesdale and Aspley reps thanked the Broncos for what they had done for their clubs and placed no blame on them for their demise at the end of their relationships.

 

[Jedhead]

Also, 1910 would have you believe the Broncos killed the Clydesdale, but originally we rescued them when they hit hard times in the late 90's that would have seen them die in 1999 after they played their last two games of the season with 16 players because they didn't have the players at all. When the Broncos pulled out the Clydesdales were still running at a loss of 250k a year, and were still receiving cash injections from the Broncos despite no benefit to them.

The Clydesdales not being able to support themselves before, during and after the Broncos involvement says more about them than it does about the Broncos.

Then Aspley decided not to supply teams to the FOGs competition, Broncos decided to spread their players among many Q Cup teams and the Under 20's comp began meaning feeder club deals had to change. Aspley were again running at a loss because of their decisions to play in numerous competitions (which was actually covered by sponsorships). The losses were more accurately explained by rising employment costs, increase in nomination fees, insurance and fines, as well as a 67k "Anniversary Wenty tip".

Both Clydesdale and Aspley reps thanked the Broncos for what they had done for their clubs and placed no blame on them for their demise at the end of their relationships.

So why does @1910 have an axe to grind with the Broncos I wonder. His take seems mighty revisionist compared to what you have just said.

 

[1910]

Also, 1910 would have you believe the Broncos killed the Clydesdale, but originally we rescued them when they hit hard times in the late 90's that would have seen them die in 1999 after they played their last two games of the season with 16 players because they didn't have the players at all. When the Broncos pulled out the Clydesdales were still running at a loss of 250k a year, and were still receiving cash injections from the Broncos despite no benefit to them.

The Clydesdales not being able to support themselves before, during and after the Broncos involvement says more about them than it does about the Broncos.

Then Aspley decided not to supply teams to the FOGs competition, Broncos decided to spread their players among many Q Cup teams and the Under 20's comp began meaning feeder club deals had to change. Aspley were again running at a loss because of their decisions to play in numerous competitions (which was actually covered by sponsorships). The losses were more accurately explained by rising employment costs, increase in nomination fees, insurance and fines, as well as a 67k "Anniversary Wenty tip".

Both Clydesdale and Aspley reps thanked the Broncos for what they had done for their clubs and placed no blame on them for their demise at the end of their relationships.

Clubs are reluctant to do that because they don't want to be another Toowoomba who hitches it's wagon to the Broncos and then when the Broncos move on they are like a man that never left home and when their parents die they die two weeks later.

I highly doubt the QRL want it again too.

In the same thread I put plenty of blame on Toowoomba for not being grown up.

 

[Cult]

So why does @1910 have an axe to grind with the Broncos I wonder. His take seems mighty revisionist compared to what you have just said.

1910 could write a book about the Queensland Cup with his knowledge. Unfortunately you'd find it in the fiction section. Those who have been involved in the Q Cup since the 80's are under the impression the Broncos ruined their thing and haven't been able to drop it. I talk to these blokes all the time, they hate us. The Q Cup and the Broncos will never work well together as long as these people are involved.

 

[Cult]

In the same thread I put plenty of blame on Toowoomba for not being grown up.

All of the blame, old man. Your competition is lucky the Broncos are around because it would be dead without them.

 

[Jedhead]

In the same thread I put plenty of blame on Toowoomba for not being grown up.

I wouldn’t say you placed much blame if any on Toowoomba here. All you’ve said is they hitched their wagon to the Broncos.

 

[Cult]

I wouldn’t say you placed much blame if any on Toowoomba here. All you’ve said is they hitched their wagon to the Broncos.

Toowoomba didn’t have a wagon to hitch to the Broncos