Reed vs Copley: REDUX

[Morkel]

But even so, was 2014 the type of season worth persevering with? It wasn't like he was Ben Barba circa 2012 or Tim Smith circa 2005, he was simply a good centre who still had his share of faults. He always had bad hands, his defensive reads weren't that great and he wasn't really that much of a threat with the ball. Inside the opposition 20m zone, he had a good step, but one that had become familiar to the opposition defence.

With promising players like him, we tend to think of the great times like him carving up Ben Henry or an out of sorts Manly defensive line with Littlejohn failing to slide with Matai. Sure, those are excuses, yet they only seem to be applied when he's having a poor game (out of position, this player could make any player look bad).

I can still envisage Copley breaking the line out of nowhere with either a good step or by simply overpowering his opposite. I can't see that with Reed. He's so slow and easy to bring down. His only play is to draw in the opposition winger and even then it's predictable. He's overachieved because he's been given room & latitude off other players' good work, and his own tremendous work ethic, which I can't fault. But his best is behind him, and even he wasn't close to a Ben Barba 2012 in 2011, his best year.

I don't think Copley will ever be a superstar, but he can be very good, and he's young enough for his best to be ahead of him - with all his time on the sidelines you'd think he'd actually still be quite fresh. Bennett would sort his defence out pretty quick, he definitely has the size/mobility combination to be good enough.

His hands... I can't disagree there.

 

[Big Pete]

Yeah, I agree with you on Reed. However, I don't believe the solution is to bring in a player like Dale Copley who gave us one 'good' season out of seven.

It's time to move forward. We were able to move one on, now it's time to move on the other.

 

[Culhwch]

Reed by default.

"Default! The two sweetest words in the English language!" - Jack Reed.

 

[Fozz]

mate ... this is a technological world ... we can just do an electronic one ...

that way we only need to think of different names

 

[Mr Fourex]

Yeah, I agree with you on Reed. However, I don't believe the solution is to bring in a player like Dale Copley who gave us one 'good' season out of seven.

It's time to move forward. We were able to move one on, now it's time to move on the other.

Well said.

When Copley injured himself this season and was out for 3 mnths.......I thought, yes, right decision to let him go.

His first game back on the weekend and he drops the ball in a tackle on his 1st/2nd run...I thought, yes, right decision to let him go.

Reed may be a shunt....but the bar for a replacement should be a tad higher than hoping we can "lure" Dale Copley back to us.

 

[Porthoz]

Agree with Morkel 100%.

As much as he's an injury magnet, I rate Copley way above Reed. He needs a bit of luck and stability to prove he's worth persevering with.
The truth is that you don't need to be all that, to shit on Reed from great height.

That said, we're getting GI next season, right? :wink:

 

[Kimlo]

How about we get Gagai back instead? He's far better than both.

 

[winslow_wong]

How about we get Gagai back instead? He's far better than both.

Yep drool over this

1. Boyd
2. Oates
3. Kahu/Roberts/Gagai
4. Kahu/Roberts/Gagai
5. Kahu/Gagai

 

[Alec]

So apparently the Roosters are getting Mansour alongside Gordon. Sucks to be Chip n Dale.

 

[Morkel]

So apparently the Roosters are getting Mansour alongside Gordon. Sucks to be Chip n Dale.

Who are they discarding to afford these players? Mansour has been good for a while but now he's Origin-solid. So $500k? Gordon is in the top 5 of a very good batch of fullbacks. Might only be one year but I'd say $400k minimum. So close to a million between them.

 

[Super Freak]

Who are they discarding to afford these players? Mansour has been good for a while but now he's Origin-solid. So $500k? Gordon is in the top 5 of a very good batch of fullbacks. Might only be one year but I'd say $400k minimum. So close to a million between them.

And you add Keary onto that list. A premiership winning 5/8.

Salary cap? What salary cap?

 

[Financeguy]

Who are they discarding to afford these players? Mansour has been good for a while but now he's Origin-solid. So $500k? Gordon is in the top 5 of a very good batch of fullbacks. Might only be one year but I'd say $400k minimum. So close to a million between them.

Gordon a top 5 fullback? Which of the following 5 made way for him? : Boyd, Coote, Dugan, RTS, Munster, Tedesco, Moylan, Gagai, Barba.

He is a journeyman settling for 1 year deals, they aren't breaking the bank on him. Agree that Mansour would command a decent salary though.

Interesting to see what happens with Copley with these new signings.

 

[Morkel]

Gordon a top 5 fullback? Which of the following 5 made way for him? : Boyd, Coote, Dugan, RTS, Munster, Tedesco, Moylan, Gagai, Barba.

He is a journeyman settling for 1 year deals, they aren't breaking the bank on him. Agree that Mansour would command a decent salary though.

Interesting to see what happens with Copley with these new signings.

IMO he has more runs on the board than RTS, Munster, Moylan, Gagai, potentially even Tedesco etc. Those all might be great attacking players but are no where near as safe. He's the equal of Coote. It's no coincidence that the Eels are all of a sudden equal 4th in defence.

 

[Tunza's Chin]

IMO he has more runs on the board than RTS, Munster, Moylan, Gagai, potentially even Tedesco etc. Those all might be great attacking players but are no where near as safe. He's the equal of Coote. It's no coincidence that the Eels are all of a sudden equal 4th in defence.

Gordon does have a lot more value to them then any other fullback named, because it allows them to do a repeat of the Mini/RTS development strategy, and gives them a goal kicker when they punts Hastings. Also Latrell is riddled with errors at the back, Gordon is safe as houses.

But, you can't honestly think Gordon would be able to command a market value anywhere near those blokes Financeguy has named? He is at the end of his career, and on the decline. He doesn't have the attacking prowess of any of the others named, and that is what most clubs are looking for in a fullback. Gordon might be worth as much to their team as any of those other blokes, but the reality of the player mark is they don't need to pay him anywhere near as much.

I think about 1/2 of 400k would be a lot closer to the mark. Nowhere even close to top 5. Plus there's plenty of other players that a club would sign as a fullback for way more then Gordon. Tom T, Inglis, Morgan, Milf, Holmes, Bird, B Morris to name a few. I'm not necessarily arguing that's what I think they are worth, but its hard to argue they wouldn't be paid way more in reality.

The NRL player market is insane... I think year on year clubs, a few more so then others, are becoming more and more willing to pay a player based on how good they could POTENTIALLY be, rather than how good they are. Before pingagate Norman was close to landing a contract in the ballpark of Cooper Cronk! The Raiders offering Milf more than JT's on, sure he's the Milf, but were talking about a future immortal vs. a 21 y.o kid. If Milf was playing in a raiders team spending a million a year of cap on him there is no way in hell they are winning a premiership for years!

 

[Morkel]

Pretty sure he's on $500k a year at the Eels.

 

[Tunza's Chin]

Pretty sure he's on $500k a year at the Eels.

I just had a two second google and couldn't find anything before... But I'm equally pretty sure it was nowhere near that. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but when the Sharks where denying his release I remember being surprised how little the figure was.

 

[Morkel]

I just had a two second google and couldn't find anything before... But I'm equally pretty sure it was nowhere near that. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but when the Sharks where denying his release I remember being surprised how little the figure was.

It came up when the Eels were trying to shed players. I'll see what I can find later, could have even been on the radio tbh.

 

[Tunza's Chin]

It came up when the Eels were trying to shed players. I'll see what I can find later, could have even been on the radio tbh.

Well his fantasy price is $212,000.... That obviously settles things.