Round 1 Lineup

Bongo

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Not a lot of impact or x factor off that bench. Unless TPJ can provide a mix of that from the get go, he's probably more useful off the bench.

That bench seems useful if we have a roll on already. We usually don't.
I like TPJ at starting prop. Getting him to focus on running hard and doing a job first before the fancy stuff.
 

holdzy

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I like TPJ at starting prop. Getting him to focus on running hard and doing a job first before the fancy stuff.

Might come at the expense of it though. One of the only true offloading threats we have.

Could work, for sure. But he needs to find the balance between being solid and using his skills.

I'd prefer him off the bench, but he can fill in for Haas for a few weeks and show us what he's got.
 

Bongo

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Might come at the expense of it though. One of the only true offloading threats we have.

Could work, for sure. But he needs to find the balance between being solid and using his skills.

I'd prefer him off the bench, but he can fill in for Haas for a few weeks and show us what he's got.
True. I just think he is at his best when he runs hard like a prop then looks to offload
 
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Jason Simmons

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Are you saying our team in 21 is worse than the Titans in 2020? They were the previous wooden spooners? They started 20 off 0-2 and we were 2 -0 yet they improved, why the **** can't we? I mean our 21 squad is definitely better than the Titans 20 squad when they started off as wooden spooners.
What?

I said our 21 squad is worse than our 20 squad. I never mentioned the Titans...

Maybe have a lie down mate and get your thoughts together...
 

Jason Simmons

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800 for Boyd. His last season he was on 600k. He wasn't the worst in the team in 2020 but your point that we've paid overs in the past is fair enough. Bird may have been good value and other clubs were offering close to the same, we didn't just suddenly offer him 300k more than anyone else just for fun.

We'll never know if Bird would have been great value but hindsight with it's perfect acuity is a beautiful thing. Milford has been dreadful for years and that's one overblown contract we can all agree about. Boyd often gets lumped in with the rest but his final year contract money and Maccas and Gillett's were pretty much all in the same range. He wasn't getting anywhere close to a million, 800k was an exaggeration.
All of those figures have been reported publicly... Are you saying you know the actual contract specifics for each player?

Because I doubt it...
 
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Gaz

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Moving on from Bennett was the correct call ... hiring Seibold as his replacement was the wrong call ... although IMO, it may have been beneficial for Kevvie in the long run as following Bennett has always been a poisoned chalice
Bennett and Seibold spot on. Kevvie not so sure, we’ll have to wait and see. But I thought Seibold, coach of the year was the answer, so what do I know.
 

Gaz

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I’m not sure matching the Titans offer would have been a good idea either, but I don’t think we’d have had to. If we could have got near the $1m mark, adding $150k a year on top of our reported existing $850k offer, I think that would have been enough to retain him.

If not, well at least we’d have had $1m to throw at other players to boost our overall squad, but due to cap miss-managment we apparently do not have that money, so ifs and buts is all this discussion will remain.
Should have signed him up before the point of no return. If we had switched on negotiators perhaps it would have happened. Clearly ex- footballers have no place in such matters.
 

Huge

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What?

I said our 21 squad is worse than our 20 squad. I never mentioned the Titans...

Maybe have a lie down mate and get your thoughts together...
I know you didn't mention the Titans but I'm trying to point out that the pessimistic outlook doesn't seem to be appropriate. If we consider the parallels, the similarities between the teams at the start of each season I can see plenty of reasons to be optimistic.

The Broncos are starting season '21 with a team that I consider superior to the Titans team of '20. They started as wooden spooners, with a couple deadwood players and a brand new coach just like we are.

We now know they went on to have a pretty darn good season considering their starting position. My point is we can do the same and we start with a team that's even better (in my opinion)

I'm not trying to be a shithead here, I just want to highlight that we're in a better position than it might appear, the evidence that success is very achievable is nearby and obvious and it's not unreasonable, based on recent history to feel some optimism.

I was bit of a twat in my response. Sorry about that.
 
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Jason Simmons

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Fair enough, I of course HOPE we do better. 2020 was awful as a Broncs supporter. I hope the boys come together as a team and play to their strengths and Kevvie comes up with a gameplan to suit, that they understand and work together to implement.

But I’m not sure the squad he has is as good as the 2020 was, nonetheless and I expect improved performance, but nothing in the way of material success for the year.

As much as I’d actually like us to, my expectation is that we will not make top 8 come end of year...

Our most glaring weakness IMHO, is a problem we have had for years, is a distinct lack of obvious smarts. It’s something we seem unable or unwilling to address. We’re strong, fit, skilled and all that. We just also seem incredibly stupid...
 

Huge

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Fair enough, I of course HOPE we do better. 2020 was awful as a Broncs supporter. I hope the boys come together as a team and play to their strengths and Kevvie comes up with a gameplan to suit, that they understand and work together to implement.

But I’m not sure the squad he has is as good as the 2020 was, nonetheless and I expect improved performance, but nothing in the way of material success for the year.

As much as I’d actually like us to, my expectation is that we will not make top 8 come end of year...

Our most glaring weakness IMHO, is a problem we have had for years, is a distinct lack of obvious smarts. It’s something we seem unable or unwilling to address. We’re strong, fit, skilled and all that. We just also seem incredibly stupid...
No disagreement. I suppose someone else probably has said this already but I think a critical piece missing is a true Captain. Don't misunderstand me here but although I definitely was not a member of the Hate Boyd club I never believed he was or at least had all of the prerequisite strengths of a captain.

Contrary to most on here I didn't think Boyd was a failure especially last season. What he wasn't was a great captain and that's okay, so few are. What we really need is a true Captain, talented as an athlete but superior as a leader. Carrigan may become that in time but we need one now. For quite some years now we've had default leaders and if I was KW it would be my second highest priority with brick wall defence first. That would be my search, not just a player but a leader of men. Someone you just cannot fail.
 

BroncsFan

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Possibly, although I'm not sure Arthur is confident in Blake's defence either so I could see him playing either side.
Opacic playing left centre in this trial

Suspicious Monkey GIF by MOODMAN
 
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Foordy

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We doing live chat on this?


for those that want: live discussion here

 

Sproj

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Eh why, latest team after that game:

1. Walsh
2. Copley
3. Farnworth
4. Isaako
5. Coates
6. Milford
7. Dearden
8. TPJ
9. Turpin
10. Lodge
11. Glenn (c)
12. Flegler
13. Asiata

14. Oates
15. Carrigan
16. Bullemor
17. Riki

No idea who I have forgotten.
 

Foordy

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Eh why, latest team after that game:

1. Walsh
2. Copley
3. Farnworth
4. Isaako
5. Coates
6. Milford
7. Dearden
8. TPJ
9. Turpin
10. Lodge
11. Glenn (c)
12. Flegler
13. Asiata

14. Oates
15. Carrigan
16. Bullemor
17. Riki

No idea who I have forgotten.

I know everyone is creaming over Walsh (and i am too, shhh) ... but i really don't want to rush the kid, he looks to have a very big future with us.

so, i'd still start round one with Isaako at fullback ... i'd make sure Walsh is locked down tight (keep him on a development contract for 2021), and give him the first half of the season developing his game in the ISC ... then re-evealuate when we can play our development players.
 

pagey

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I know everyone is creaming over Walsh (and i am too, shhh) ... but i really don't want to rush the kid, he looks to have a very big future with us.

so, i'd still start round one with Isaako at fullback ... i'd make sure Walsh is locked down tight (keep him on a development contract for 2021), and give him the first half of the season developing his game in the ISC ... then re-evealuate when we can play our development players.
Yeah exactly , Dearden needs experience around him atm . You cant have 2 youngsters thrown into our spine that has so many questions as it is, let's build a spine not manufacture one.
It's exciting that we could have 2 special talents that we can build from though, if we somehow pulled Smith than grant we could be back in big way.
 

Sproj

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Yeah exactly , Dearden needs experience around him atm . You cant have 2 youngsters thrown into our spine that has so many questions as it is, let's build a spine not manufacture one.
It's exciting that we could have 2 special talents that we can build from though, if we somehow pulled Smith than grant we could be back in big way.

Fast forward to 23 and the spine is:

1. Walsh
6. Staggs
7. Dearden / Walker
9. Grant

Yeah baby!
 

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