POST GAME Round 10 - Tigers vs Broncos

Its a good thing I was out drinking and was only watching the game loosely instead of watching intently like I normally do.

All you can do is laugh. Nothing will change until people are held accountable, starting with the coach and our million dollar nightmare.

One loss closer till seibold gets the arse. Every mushroom cloud has its silver lining etc...
 
I expect an exodus of players. Playing for the broncos is now hurting your development as a player and opportunities for rep.

Not one player looked good out there.
 
NSW stables said:
I expect an exodus of players. Playing for the broncos is now hurting your development as a player and opportunities for rep.

Not one player looked good out there.
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And they only have themselves to blame

And if there is a player exodus, then they deserve to be gone. They do not belong here, they are not welcome here
 
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Cult3 said:
I doubt that. People were saying it was untenable the entire year. They went behind his back before Seibold, then continued to **** him around. Again what should he have done? Not looked after himself when the club he’d given decades to was quite publicly trying to oust him?
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abashii said:
Lol, c'mon Pete. The board were never going to keep Wayne on, they'd been deep in negotiations with Souths about a coaching swap deal. Seibold said in his sob story that a deal had been almost reached a couple of times. It's pretty far fetched that the board who were trying their absolute best to get rid of Bennett before the preseason would have had a last-minute change of heart if only the dastardly coach hadn't committed the mortal sin of talking to the very place they were sending him, at the very same time as the Broncos were getting input on player movements from Seibold.
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I don't blame Bennett for the way he behaved, but he knew what he was doing when he signed with South Sydney. He wanted to make the situation as uncomfortable as possible for the club, which is why he was happy to stick around and wait until he was sacked so the Broncos would face the fallout.

I genuinely believe the Broncos did go back and forward on the 2019 and 2020 start date. If they had it their way, it would be 2019, but they could live with Bennett seeing out his contract as a courtesy. Which is why there were all these public declarations from Bennett and White at presentations and media conferences. However, once they got a taste of what was going on behind the scenes and Bennett was having a big say at both clubs that's when the rookie Seibold arcked up.

If Bennett wanted to see out 2019, he would have done more to stay out of the headlines, instead of trying to go out and sign Trent Merrin for Seibold over at Souths or doing press conferences behind the club's back.

As far as player movements, I don't believe Seibs went out and signed anyone before he got here. He was queried on a few re-signings, but from my understanding, Bennett was involved in those decisions as well.

What it all boils down to is a lack of communication. I believe initially the club was comfortable to go with the 2020 start date, then Bennett signed with Souths and that's when the pendulum swung. The situation dragged out, everyone was just waiting around for the penny to drop and once Bennett called that presser it was the final straw. Seibs got caught in the middle and got a taste of how ugly the politics of the game are.
 
rnabokov said:
And they only have themselves to blame

And if there is a player exodus, then they deserve to be gone. They do not belong here, they are not welcome here
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nope, if you have no confidence in your boss then it is unlikely you are going to perform at your best,

there is no doubt the players deserve some of the blame, but the performances lie squarely at the coaches feet. always have, always will.
 
rnabokov said:
And they only have themselves to blame

And if there is a player exodus, then they deserve to be gone. They do not belong here, they are not welcome here
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I agree to an extent but you look at someone like hass. If he had a coach that put him in a structure requiring him to run onto the ball, he would be even more effective.

You take fifita and put him in a team that teaches him how to run lines and halves that take the ball to the line, he would be a line break machine.

Put coates and staggs in a team that uses their centres and wingers, watch them earn their rep colours.

I couldnt blame the kids. As many have said, a footy career is a limited lifespan, can they afford to wait around while the club sorts it shit out and dead weight contracts expire etc?
 
JAHHW said:
That’s all good and well, but two wrongs don’t make a right.

IF, and it is obviously a big if, they are deiberaly or subconsciously playing poorly as a “**** you” to the board, they are also tarnishing their own career, their young team mates careers and the coach and his staffs careers.

In reality, the people who will be punished the least for poor on field performance will be the board.

You might think it is admirable, but it is equally selfish and shortsighted (again, if it’s true).
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I'm not sure they are deliberately playing badly (although I would say some have checked out), but rather they are struggling to find a motivation to play.

Effectively the way the board handled the transition of Bennett says to the playing group... this is a business and when you aren't needed we will get rid of you.... they then said that to Roberts, Kodi, McGuire, Macca, etc.

I'm not saying that those guys shouldn't have been moved on... and I would even say that what they did for Kodi, McGuire and Macca was in their best interest. Likely they all wanted to stay with the club, but they released them for better contracts, which provided them security for their future (Macca is allowed to play 80min every week vs coming off the bench for 30mins a game).

The board have brought a cut throat business approach to the football club, and that is not how it works in sport. The business side must be separate from the sporting side.

Some of the guys don't look like they have passion for the jersey anymore... and the whole team is just completely shot of confidence.

Absolutely nothing is working for this team on the field at the moment and some of their high energy players and attacking weapons that could spark some confidence are also missing (Fifita & Staggs, Turpin with his high energy defence and Lodge is underdone due to injury).

There are no byes in the season to regroup or change things and the easy part of our draw to build confidence from is now gone... if the players returning from injury don't spark some confidence then we will have to hope that the dogs continue to be woeful in order to avoid the spoon.
 
NSW stables said:
I agree to an extent but you look at someone like hass. If he had a coach that put him in a structure requiring him to run onto the ball, he would be even more effective.

You take fifita and put him in a team that teaches him how to run lines and halves that take the ball to the line, he would be a line break machine.

Put coates and staggs in a team that uses their centres and wingers, watch them earn their rep colours.

I couldnt blame the kids. As many have said, a footy career is a limited lifespan, can they afford to wait around while the club sorts it shit out and dead weight contracts expire etc?
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I really cannot accept that Seibold isn't telling our forwards to run onto the ball hard and fast. The alternative is that he is telling them not to? Or, the players couldn't be bothered. Haas ought to know exactly what he has to do to maximise his effectiveness - run onto the ball from the back fence. You don't need a coached structure for that. It's a good forward's natural instincts. He wasn't doing much of that tonight. Or, is it someone else's fault? Isn't it always someone else's fault?

Tonight, Maguire coached his defence to nullify TPJ and they did a good job. But he really tried damned hard and ran with energy. I didn't see much of that from Haas.

Fifita will instinctively look for holes and run great lines. He always has. Mostly, it's just give him the ball and he will make things happen. It is why he is so damned special (and why we must keep him).

As far as Coates and Staggs are concerned, they both give 110% no matter what. That's all that we need, except for good ball from our slack 5/8 and totally confused half back. I honestly think Croft has no idea because nobody else does and he is therefore lost out there. I reckon he wants to make things happen but nobody gives a shit. They all just shuffle around waiting to take a hit up ... flat footed from a standing start.

Everyone in this side is responsible for what happens on the field, as individual players and as a team, and everyone needs to be accountable for that.
 
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rnabokov said:
I really cannot accept that Seibold isn't telling our forwards to run onto the ball hard and fast. The alternative is that he is telling them not to? Or, the players couldn't be bothered. Haas ought to know exactly what he has to do to maximise his effectiveness - run onto the ball from the back fence. You don't need a coached structure for that. It's a good forward's natural instincts. He wasn't doing much of that tonight. Or, is it someone else's fault? Isn't it always someone else's fault?

Tonight, Maguire coached his defence to nullify TPJ and they did a good job. But he really tried damned hard and ran with energy. I didn't see much of that from Haas.

Fifita will instinctively look for holes and run great lines. He always has.

As far as Coates and Staggs are concerned, they both give 110% o matter what. That's all that we need, except for good ball from our slack 5/8 and totally confused half back. I honestly think Croft has no idea because nobody else does and he is therefore lost out there. I reckon he wants to make things happen but nobody gives a shit. They all just shuffle around waiting ot take a hit up ... flat footed from a standing start.

Everyone in this side is responsible for what happens on the field, and everyone needs to be accountable for that.
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I'm just curious at what point will you concede the coach is the problem?
 
Renegade said:
I'm just curious at what point will you concede the coach is the problem?
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I won't because I don't think he is. He walked into a toxic culture, a trap if you will, laid by the Board as a consequence of their negligence and incompetence. I reckon Seibold either totally underestimated what he was walking into, or just didn't know, or expect it to be this bad.

If certain players want Seibold to go, and perform poorly to that end, then **** them. If Seibold goes, then they have won. And we will have a club where the players get to say if the coach stays or goes because of personal agendas, at the expense of the club, and the fans. Well, that's not what I want to see in the club I hold dear.
 
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rnabokov said:
Tonight, Maguire coached his defence to nullify TPJ and they did a good job. But he really tried damned hard and ran with energy. I didn't see much of that from Haas.
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I've been noticing that Haas just doesn't seem to run particularly hard this year, at least for his size and athleticism. I mean he's still effective and is efficient and makes good metres in total...but he just doesn't have those big runs, where you see the forward wind up and just charge into the defensive line. He's still very young, so I hope he'll get there. It might also have something to do with the team morale in general, who knows.
 
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