POST GAME [Round 11, 2023] Broncos vs Storm

[Mick_Hancock]

Melbourne don’t change how they play, whether they cop a few early penalties or not, they know the ref won’t have the resilience to continually penalise them every set. It’s the same with the PTB, they will play it off the mark every single time knowing the worst that will happen is once in a blue moon the ref might call them to go back and play it. Every single element of their game is about pushing the rules and the game have always bent for them.

this . The ref is out of the job and back to reffing park footy if he blows the pea out of the whistle and has a 30-6 penalty count. Can’t do it, won’t do it. The Storm, Panfers and Rooters know this.
“Cop a few penalties here and there, all sweet, he can’t keep penalising us”.
And they are right…. Watch the Riff game this week, same thing will happen.

 

[Foordy]

EDIT: I do apologise for hijacking the thread and making it all about the referees. Happy to let others have their say and just move on next week.

The refs from Thursday made this thread about them ... not you

 

[Sproj]

I don’t even think the refs do need to blow a million penalties to get a team who is constantly offside to obey the rules. Have a three strike policy. If a team is offside even three tackles in a row. Blow three penalties in a row and on the third, sit the most important player in that side down for 10 minutes. If the player comes back and the side is offside again even onceA, sit the same player down. Send out a memo to clubs and media this is the new crackdown and it will be enforced from next week. Say the NRL will be backing refs here and the media needs to get on board and if they don’t, Vlandys will spank them. Given that grub has control on everything, we’ll see a change.

 

[Midean]

I don’t even think the refs do need to blow a million penalties to get a team who is constantly offside to obey the rules. Have a three strike policy. If a team is offside even three tackles in a row. Blow three penalties in a row and on the third, sit the most important player in that side down for 10 minutes. If the player comes back and the side is offside again even onceA, sit the same player down. Send out a memo to clubs and media this is the new crackdown and it will be enforced from next week. Say the NRL will be backing refs here and the media needs to get on board and if they don’t, Vlandys will spank them. Given that grub has control on everything, we’ll see a chan

This works in theory, until you realize that every major rule change has been abused against the Broncos in recent times, and it would be no different here.

Look at what happened when the 6 again was introduced.
The Broncos got decimated by it in the first game and took a loss and then it was immediately toned back because it destroyed that game.
The same with the Hip Drop crackdown, Carrigan has arguably been the worst victim of this so called crackdown.

I can see it now Sproj.
They introduce this new 3 strike rule and i can assure you the first game would be Broncos getting sent to the bin all night with the occasional ref fuckup sending our boys to the bin on 2nd warnings etc etc.
We would lose the game, the NRL top dogs would see what a shambles it is and proceed to tone it back for every other team for the rest of the round/season.

Remember mate, a common sense approach like yours would undoubtedly be butchered by the utter morons in charge of our game at the moment.
I cannot remember the last time i had this little faith in the NRL governing body doing the right thing for the game.
They will do the right thing for their bank accounts ( looking at you Vlandys ) and the trash will be cleaned up by the next generation of suits to take over the NRL, while Vlandys retires to Vegas.

 

[Big Del]

I don’t even think the refs do need to blow a million penalties to get a team who is constantly offside to obey the rules. Have a three strike policy. If a team is offside even three tackles in a row. Blow three penalties in a row and on the third, sit the most important player in that side down for 10 minutes. If the player comes back and the side is offside again even onceA, sit the same player down. Send out a memo to clubs and media this is the new crackdown and it will be enforced from next week. Say the NRL will be backing refs here and the media needs to get on board and if they don’t, Vlandys will spank them. Given that grub has control on everything, we’ll see a change.

Like Tino in the Broncos vs Titans ?

 

[Morkel]

This works in theory, until you realize that every major rule change has been abused against the Broncos in recent times, and it would be no different here.

Look at what happened when the 6 again was introduced.
The Broncos got decimated by it in the first game and took a loss and then it was immediately toned back because it destroyed that game.
The same with the Hip Drop crackdown, Carrigan has arguably been the worst victim of this so called crackdown.

I can see it now Sproj.
They introduce this new 3 strike rule and i can assure you the first game would be Broncos getting sent to the bin all night with the occasional ref fuckup sending our boys to the bin on 2nd warnings etc etc.
We would lose the game, the NRL top dogs would see what a shambles it is and proceed to tone it back for every other team for the rest of the round/season.

Remember mate, a common sense approach like yours would undoubtedly be butchered by the utter morons in charge of our game at the moment.
I cannot remember the last time i had this little faith in the NRL governing body doing the right thing for the game.
They will do the right thing for their bank accounts ( looking at you Vlandys ) and the trash will be cleaned up by the next generation of suits to take over the NRL, while Vlandys retires to Vegas.

Correct. But we already know that the way around this for the refs is the already inconsistent 10m defensive line. It's easy for the Storm and Panthers to be on-side if they are only taken back 8 metres, but we'll be given a 15m "10" all night and the moment someone puts a stud past the ref, we'll be pinged.

 

[Morkel]

Like Tino in the Broncos vs Titans ?

His was a professional foul, so a little different. He was already called out (as well as 6-again'd), and in the same play he still didn't retreat enough to be on-side and fouled again.

 

[Big Pete]

Annesley Debriefing

- Walsh should have been penalised for a shoulder charge. Their view is that it shouldn't have been a penalty try as Walsh didn't interfere with Olam. A sin-binning could have been warranted as well, but in that instance he would have been OK with the referee to use their discretion.

- The Farnworth penalty try was correct. Grant interferes with Farnworth, pushing Farnworth over the ball and Herbie virtually would have finished on top of had he not been shoved in the back. He made the point it was for the initial push and not the second effort from Grant.

- Carrigan did not commit a hip drop tackle. Carrigan's tackle did have some elements of a hip drop tackle but the critical element was where he landed.

- Xavier Coates' try would have been legitimate had the referee not blown the whistle. Made mention that the chasers clearly didn't hear the whistles either so that was an unfortunate call against Melbourne. No mention of whether Olam hit Walsh with a late shoulder charge afterwards.

- Journo asked about the Cory Paix try. Annesley said he was happy to leave it as a discretionary call, but in his view it should have been a penalty. He didn't say to whom, but he made it clear that it was a tough intense game to referee but it's disappointing when a referee doesn't meet their expected standards.

- Annesley was asked whether Todd Smith was ready to referee a game of this calibre. Annesley said he did and he's been one of the more impressive officials they've had over the past 12-18 months. Did re-iterate Smith made a number of mistakes and it was a disappointing performance.

- On the Bailey Simonsson hip-drop, they showed a reverse angle where they believed he didn't make direct contact with the legs and he ends up underneath Rapana.

From the angle they showed, that Simonsson tackle still looks like it's open to debate.

 

[broncos4life]

Annesley Debriefing

- Walsh should have been penalised for a shoulder charge. Their view is that it shouldn't have been a penalty try as Walsh didn't interfere with Olam. A sin-binning could have been warranted as well, but in that instance he would have been OK with the referee to use their discretion.

- The Farnworth penalty try was correct. Grant interferes with Farnworth, pushing Farnworth over the ball and Herbie virtually would have finished on top of had he not been shoved in the back. He made the point it was for the initial push and not the second effort from Grant.

- Carrigan did not commit a hip drop tackle. Carrigan's tackle did have some elements of a hip drop tackle but the critical element was where he landed.

- Xavier Coates' try would have been legitimate had the referee not blown the whistle. Made mention that the chasers clearly didn't hear the whistles either so that was an unfortunate call against Melbourne. No mention of whether Olam hit Walsh with a late shoulder charge afterwards.

- Journo asked about the Cory Paix try. Annesley said he was happy to leave it as a discretionary call, but in his view it should have been a penalty. He didn't say to whom, but he made it clear that it was a tough intense game to referee but it's disappointing when a referee doesn't meet their expected standards.

- Annesley was asked whether Todd Smith was ready to referee a game of this calibre. Annesley said he did and he's been one of the more impressive officials they've had over the past 12-18 months. Did re-iterate Smith made a number of mistakes and it was a disappointing performance.

- On the Bailey Simonsson hip-drop, they showed a reverse angle where they believed he didn't make direct contact with the legs and he ends up underneath Rapana.

From the angle they showed, that Simonsson tackle still looks like it's open to debate.

He believes Smith has been one of the best refs over the last 18 months? **** me the problems are deeper than we thought.

 

[Big Pete]

He believes Smith has been one of the best refs over the last 18 months? **** me the problems are deeper than we thought.

Words to that effect. His point was they've been impressed with him and they wanted to give him the opportunity.

 

[Mustafur]

He was also the same ref that gave Manly the forward pass against Souths which obviously wasn't, it ultimately cost them the game considering the score it finished at.

 

[Big Pete]

He was also the same ref that gave Manly the forward pass against Souths which obviously wasn't, it ultimately cost them the game considering the score it finished at.

The 13-12 game from earlier this year?

That was Chris Sutton.

 

[Mustafur]

The 13-12 game from earlier this year?

That was Chris Sutton.

Ah, I swear I saw him in that game lol.

 

[Cult]

This game is going nowhere with these people in charge of anything. They are idiots trying to save face so they can look ok at every opportunity. They only care about their image and not the growth of the game.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Annesley ...........

if he was an NRL coach

he'd be sacked.

His team are a shambles......

 

[Cavalo]

Annesley must be a f@#$ing moron.
Carrigans tackle was momentum, just like Haas, and even if he had landed on NAS's legs, it was not a hip drop.
No mention of the acting from NAS, the suspect Welch tackle on Cobbo, or 3rd-man-in, dogshot Hughes.
And FFS, pulling up the quick tap because Payne has one foot in front of Billy was a joke and not the reason for that rule (ie. potential obstruction from players still in the line)

 

[Gaz]

Walsh fined for grade 1 shoulder charge on Olam. Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere.

 

[Gaz]

There you go.