Round 15 - Broncos vs Dragons - Post Match Discussion

[mrslong]

Glenn got motm for dominating Soward. Everytime Soward looked up Glenn was smashing him.
Apart from the broken play down the middle of the field when he scored that try (nowhere near Mr Glenn) he couldn't get away from Alex.

It was an epic performance and I was glad he got MOTM.

Worst Reffing ever. My Dragons mate was blowing up this morning, but I said what about the shocking decisions we got. He didn't agree. OMG. SMH.

 

[Coxy]

I honestly can't think of any glaring decisions that went against the Dragons, other than the forward pass from Reed to Yow Yeh.

Compare it to the "knock on" against Yow Yeh, the missed dropped ball over the line by Tagive, the boot knocking the ball away from Reed which led to their second try...FFS.

 

[mrslong]

and nice to know Locky is so talented he can play at the ball with his forehead. FFS Nightingale passed it back into Locky's head and somehow it was a Dragons feed?

 

[Coxy]

and nice to know Locky is so talented he can play at the ball with his forehead. FFS Nightingale passed it back into Locky's head and somehow it was a Dragons feed?

Ah yeah that one too.

Plus it's inconsistent that you can knock a ball "back" but it goes forward and it's a knock on, whereas a pass that's thrown back but goes forward is OK.

Reed's tap back to Copley from a bomb early in the game could've easily been awarded. Reed "propelled" it back but with momentum it went forward.

 

[Anonymous person]

It was less forward than Issac Luke's pass in field for Merritt's try last night... And nobody even mentioned it ;-)

IMO reed threw it flat out of the hands. Not forward.

/maroon and gold coloured glasses

people dont seem to realise that the ball hit the dragons players elbow after reed had thrown it about 10cm. the pass was line ball at worst, and then deflected off the dragons player and went forward.

was a great game, very impressed. i must say, Wallace has impressed me a LOT these last 2 games. if he keeps playing like this and improving, he just might change my opinion of him being able to lead our team next year.

Reed was outstanding, Hala is looking like a very good player, and im loving yow yeh with his pinball machine runs lol.

not liking the refs though. how they can call that a knock-on by yow yeh is beyond me. whatd it go, about 3/4 of a metre backwards?

and now melbourne are on top of the ladder, with manly hopefully to jump up there with them. hopefully thats the last that saints see of the number 1 spot. and boy oh boy, bellamy has done a great job with this melbourne team. watching them play yesterday, its like they havent lost a single player from their great over-the-cap teams, yet you look at the names and apart from slater, smith and cronk theyre all nuffies. absolutely incredible.

Last night, Jack Reed jumped up for a bomb, hit it backwards off his own hands and then forward off his head. Is this still a knock on despite the hands knocking it backwards?

i was also wondering how not only the refs, but the COMMENTATORS got that wrong as well?!

it doesnt matter if it goes 3m forwards off your hands IF you touch it with another part of your body before it hits the ground. now in this case, not only did it not even go forwards, it clearly went backwards, but the last touch was with his head - meaning its play on. the commentators watching in slow motion go 'ok so it hits his hands, then his head, and goes forwards - thats a knock-on'..........no, you morons, thats not a knock-on lol.

although if yow yehs was a knock-on i guess anything could be lol.

 

[Jeba]

That was a knock on clear as day, that's why the commentators didn't blow up about it. We've had this argument before AP and you were wrong, you're not gonna be right 6 months or so down the track [icon_wink icon_thumbs_u

 

[Browny]

I work with 2 guys who are refs in the local comp. They both agree that it is a knock on

 

[Coxy]

I work with 2 guys who are refs in the local comp. They both agree that it is a knock on

Of course it is. Same way that if you're a forward and you're powering onto the ball, it goes through your hands and bounces forward off your chest. It's still a knock on.

 

[Anonymous person]

That was a knock on clear as day, that's why the commentators didn't blow up about it. We've had this argument before AP and you were wrong, you're not gonna be right 6 months or so down the track [icon_wink icon_thumbs_u

i dont know what argument you think i was wrong in, but going by the actual NRL rules as defined in the actual NRL rules document, a knock-on is:

KNOCK-ON means to knock the ball towards the opponents’ dead
ball line with hand or arm, while playing at the ball.

it does not include ANYTHING about knocking the ball forwards with any part of your chest/torso, nor does it mention anything about knocking it back onto your chest/head and then it going forward being a knock-on.

it does say

Heading the ball 4. It is illegal to head the ball in a forward direction.

but the wording indicates to me that its only illegal if its deliberate. the word "illegal" also indicates that a penalty is the outcome, not a knock-on. if this was the reason for the 'no try' against the broncos after reed went for that catch, it would have been a penalty to the dragons instead of a turnover.

Of course it is. Same way that if you're a forward and you're powering onto the ball, it goes through your hands and bounces forward off your chest. It's still a knock on.

they might agree on that, but theyre both wrong.

 

[Coxy]

Well they've been wrong for 103 years because it's ALWAYS been that way.

 

[Anonymous person]

Well they've been wrong for 103 years because it's ALWAYS been that way.

ive seen plenty of tries given over the years because a pass hit a players chest/head and made no contact with the arms, went forward, and then someone scored. ok maybe not plenty, but a handful.

the rules are clear as day - a knock-on is only off the hands or arms. not your head, not your chest, not your back - your arms or hands. if referees rule it a knock-on off the chest, they are wrong. it doesnt matter how long theyve been doing it for, they are wrong. just like we see tries awarded that are blatantly offside/knock-on/etc etc etc - just because the ref rules it doesnt mean the ref is right.

 

[Jeba]

I don't care what rule books say and I don't think anyone does because anyone who watches Rugby League knows that if a ball hits your hands, goes backwards, and then hits another part of the body and goes forwards into another player or onto the grass, it's a knock on. It's just as simple as that.

 

[Coxy]

Well they've been wrong for 103 years because it's ALWAYS been that way.

ive seen plenty of tries given over the years because a pass hit a players chest/head and made no contact with the arms, went forward, and then someone scored. ok maybe not plenty, but a handful.

Because they didn't make contact with the hands! That's the key point.

Issue here is that Reed did touch it with his hands, thus it's a knock on if it goes forward (regardless of what else it comes in contact with, other than an opposition player if it's gone back first).

TECHNICALLY under the rule book a situation like I described (player attempts to catch pass, hits hands, goes through hands (backwards) onto chest, bounces forward without again making contact with hand/arm) should be play on. But that's not how it's ever been ruled. Because one of the foundations of the sport is the need for the player in possession to control the ball. So, if player makes hand contact with ball, does not have control of it, and it goes forward, knock on. The only way that's nullified is if an opposition player interferes (and only then if the ball has gone backwards).

 

[No_Go]

I wish Big_Dave was around to tell us how good Gagai was... [icon_evillaugh

The joke's on your buddy. Gagai told me to put my house on him for first try scorer.
I never lost faith in the kid.

 

[m1c]

Congrats, you not only dropped at best $5 but seemingly your nuts as well given you're too embarrassed to show the full amount.

 

[Clintos]

Post that pick in more threads, I can't get enough of it!

Look at me...I can make bets...

Lolz....douche.

 

[Charmamba]

Who is this arse clown?

Looks like abit of a wanker.

 

[No_Go]

Congrats, you not only dropped at best $5 but seemingly your nuts as well given you're too embarrassed to show the full amount.

Awww cry me a Brisbane River.
Sounds like someone lost a fair a bit on the punt [eusa_naugh

Not me. I am always a winner.