PRE-GAME [Round 18, 2022] Broncos vs Titans

[Dash]

Yeah I think it should’ve been a try but I also think there was a bit of square up for the Periera try which was a bit more 50/50

Pereira was fine to promote the ball, as Brimson had let go of him.

 

[Sproj]

It was the Titans ‘try’ that didn’t go over the line it seems that should be discussed.

 

[McHunt]

Pereira was fine to promote the ball, as Brimson had let go of him.

It was the Titans ‘try’ that didn’t go over the line it seems that should be discussed.

Pereira could've gone either way. Presumably the "bounce" was deemed momentum, and not extending the arm. Proof the referee was favouring the Broncos. Like every week.

Joliffe's try was deemed to be just touching the line by someone standing right over it. Could also have gone either way. But went against the Broncos. Proof the referee had it in for the Broncos. Like every week.

Meanwhile Titans fans are blowing up about all our forward passes, particularly from Turpin. Proof the referee was favouring the Broncos. Like every week.

 

[john1420]

Here's the formal rule:

Try: a tackled player’s momentum carries him into the opponents’ in-goal where he grounds the ball even if the ball has first touched the ground in the field of play’. If the momentum of the player in possession carries him into the opponents in goal area, it will not be a double movement if the ball would have finished over the goal line regardless of any subsequent movement of the ball or the arm carrying the ball​

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Not a try: In the process of scoring a try, a player in possession promotes the ball from the position​

the ball has been grounded.​

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Simplified by Annersley:

"The rule is that when the ball-carrying arm has hit the ground, you can’t extend that arm.”​

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In my opinion, it's a shit rule, but Badel is wrong and the bunker got it right. It's a clear double movement by Annersley's definition. FF to 3:10:

Match Highlights: Titans v Broncos

The Gold Coast Titans host the Brisbane Broncos during Round 18 of the 2022 NRL Telstra Premiership

www.nrl.com

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Except Annersley hasn't simplified the rule, he has changed it.
By removing "it will not be a double movement if the ball would have finished over the goal line regardless of any subsequent movement of the ball or the arm carrying the ball" it actually changes the definition of what a double movement is.

 

[McHunt]

Except Annersley hasn't simplified the rule, he has changed it.
By removing "it will not be a double movement if the ball would have finished over the goal line regardless of any subsequent movement of the ball or the arm carrying the ball" it actually changes the definition of what a double movement is.

It's a shit rule because it causes arguments between people who don't understand it. Momentum is the key. If you ground the ball, you don't get a second go unless your body is still naturally moving forward, as in sliding. If you exert effort to reground the ball, it's a double movement. If you haven't grounded your ball carrying arm, and haven't been called held, and you exert effort, it's not a double movement.

Pereira was not a double movement because his "bounce" was natural and therefore he was allowed a second grounding. Had he propelled himself forward from the ground it would have been no try.

There is no conspiracy here.

 

[Big Del]

You need to look at more then one game, He played decent but thinking anything more is a fools game, we know he is capable but he is inconsistent as hell.

How is he going now ?
Twice the sample size ? LOL .

 

[Big Del]

Different sport, but i can remember years ago when Sir Alex Ferguson had his group of young players ( Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Neville etc ) and even if they were playing and performing well he would just pull them out of the team for a week or two just to give them a break before things went bad for them just to protect them a bit while they were developing. Its something i dont think many coaches do well tbh.

They play a lot more games of soccer in a season the the NRL players .

 

[Big Del]

I don't know if this was a wrong decision, a bad decision or rulings on double movements are always a bit suss. Probably more the latter, I think. Nonetheless, this in the CM just now from our number 1 fan.

Badel:

"The NRL must undertake a full-scale review of the Bunker. The decision to deny Broncos back-rower Zac Hosking a 64th-minute try was as flawed as it was embarrassing... It was a shocking call — and the NRL should breathe a sigh of relief that it didn’t cost Brisbane victory."​

Almost as embarrassing as not understanding the rules and acting like you do
. Then showing you are ignorant in the sports pages and having your name attached to it . Priceless .

Go read the rules Petey ...

 

[Big Del]

Pereira could've gone either way. Presumably the "bounce" was deemed momentum, and not extending the arm. Proof the referee was favouring the Broncos. Like every week.

Joliffe's try was deemed to be just touching the line by someone standing right over it. Could also have gone either way. But went against the Broncos. Proof the referee had it in for the Broncos. Like every week.

Meanwhile Titans fans are blowing up about all our forward passes, particularly from Turpin. Proof the referee was favouring the Broncos. Like every week.

Re JP try .
The tackler had let go / couldn`t hold on after the impact .
JP was well within the rules to go again . He was taken down but no hands on him at that moment . Perfectly legit .

And Turpin was passing fwd .
Very lucky not to get called . I cringed a cpl of times he passed as the forward ran in front of him and I could hear Titans players complaining .

 

[McHunt]

Re JP try .
The tackler had let go / couldn`t hold on after the impact .
JP was well within the rules to go again . He was taken down but no hands on him at that moment . Perfectly legit .

And this is why the arguments over double movements start. Whether he was held turns out to be irrelevant. You can't ground a football, then jump up and keep running or crawling, apparently. Whether you're tackled or not.

This is one of those occasions where you have to go with the ref rather than what looks like common sense. And also a rule you know is destined to change.

 

[Big Del]

And this is why the arguments over double movements start. Whether he was held turns out to be irrelevant. You can't ground a football, then jump up and keep running or crawling, apparently. Whether you're tackled or not.

You don`t know the rules either ?
If you hit the ground but the tackler releases his grip as you hit the ground it`s play on . ie ball carrying arm touches the ground but the player tackling does not have contact . The ball is not dead and play on .
That`s what happened with the JP try . The commentators explained it at the time .

 

[McHunt]

Almost as embarrassing as not understanding the rules and acting like you do
. Then showing you are ignorant in the sports pages and having your name attached to it . Priceless .

Go read the rules Petey ...

In fairness to Badel, he was echoing Walters, who said nothing more than he thought it was a try. Badel doubled down and wanted to take it to town hall.

 

[McHunt]

You don`t know the rules either ?
If you hit the ground but the tackler releases his grip as you hit the ground it`s play on . ie ball carrying arm touches the ground but the player tackling does not have contact . The ball is not dead and play on .

I'm going to have to send this upstairs:

Double-movement rule is tilting at windmills: NRL is better without it

In rugby league, as in life, everybody has a beef about something. Could be flat passes being called forward. Could be on-field referees who…

www.theroar.com.au

 

[Big Del]

In fairness to Badel, he was echoing Walters, who said nothing more than he thought it was a try. Badel doubled down and wanted to take it to town hall.

Kevin hadn`t seen the slo mo replays ??
How can he say it was or wasn`t ? He usually says I don`t know or I didn`t see it . Some parochialism from Kevvie I think .

 

[Big Del]

I'm going to have to send this upstairs:

Double-movement rule is tilting at windmills: NRL is better without it

In rugby league, as in life, everybody has a beef about something. Could be flat passes being called forward. Could be on-field referees who…

www.theroar.com.au

Is this the level of BS you prescribe to ?

Ashley Klein sending Josh Reynolds’ first extra-time match-winning “try” upstairs to be forensically-examined by Stevie Wonder and Helen Keller who were well into their second flagon of Royal Reserve Brown Muscat.

I`d be looking for a new guru if I was you .
Matt Cleary does seem a little biased ?

 

[McHunt]

Is this the level of BS you prescribe to ?

Ashley Klein sending Josh Reynolds’ first extra-time match-winning “try” upstairs to be forensically-examined by Stevie Wonder and Helen Keller who were well into their second flagon of Royal Reserve Brown Muscat.

I`d be looking for a new guru if I was you .
Matt Cleary does seem a little biased ?

Well he's the head of refereeing, so I'm going to go with whatever he says. Bear in mind, they know every time they allow or dissallow a try it's going to be forensically examined in slow motion by every fan and commentator. And if they get their own rules wrong, they'll be hauled over the coals on Monday morning by their own referees as well as the coaching staff of the clubs in question. That's why I generally give referees the benefit of the doubt. When they make mistakes, I tend to put it down to human error rather than "cheating" or not understanding the rules. You wouldn't want their job.

 

[Big Del]

Well he's the head of refereeing, so I'm going to go with whatever he says. Bear in mind, they know every time they allow or dissallow a try it's going to be forensically examined in slow motion by every fan and commentator. And if they get their own rules wrong, they'll be hauled over the coals on Monday morning by their own referees as well as the coaching staff of the clubs in question. That's why I generally give referees the benefit of the doubt. When they make mistakes, I tend to put it down to human error rather than "cheating" or not understanding the rules. You wouldn't want their job.

That quote was from

Matt Cleary
Expert


I think that when you are near the line, and you aren’t called as held, then you should be able to place the ball on the line because that’s the natural thing to do. It’s just there in front of me.

The un-natural thing to do is tuck your arm into your chest and not reach out and score the try.

I wonder does he deserve the expert title ?

40 sumpin years I have played , coached and watched Rugby League . Never heard the it`s OK to reach out and score BS before .

 

[Wolfie]

They play a lot more games of soccer in a season the the NRL players .

It's not really about the amount of games of football they play, it's about knowing when they need a bit of a break. Rugby League is still draining but in a different way to football.