POST GAME [Round 5, 2024] Broncos vs Storm

[007]

Early mail is 2-3 weeks for Reyno.

Nothing confirmed yet so take it with a grain of salt.

Give him 5-6. Back end of the season will need him badly.

 

[Dazza 92]

As for these short kick offs from the goal-line; lots of teams trying it this year.

As Cooper Cronk said recently;

“Like anything in our game, the best teams will practice it better than the worse teams, and the best teams will become better at getting the ball back.”

“I think it’s going to get ugly. You’re going to have guys going up and batting the ball back, because that’s where all of our players are.”

Practice makes perfect then. Is it any surprise one of the best exponents of it is this mob...

There is no need to "catch" this - Yeo is trying to flick the ball back to his own side.

Penrith even have someone lagging the kick on Mlebournes side of the ball in case it bounces back towards goal.

Parra did it differently via using blockers in front of the chase allowing Gutherson to make a catch.

So, is this a trend that stays? Dunno really, clearly sides are still working this out. Might be a fad that goes after a couple more rounds or - someone works out a way to secure possesion like 20-30% of the time and then everyone tries to copy.

Do Brisbane simply need to pracice it more?

 

[Culhwch]

Short kicks: no good.

Long kicks: no good.

Split the difference. Kick it high and twenty or twenty-five metres out. Have Riki or Willison or Piakura or Te Kura just absolutely gun it at the catcher. Time it right and just fucking flatten them. Do that every kick to the same bloke if you can.

Kev, I'm available for an assistant role. Just saying.

 

[winslow_wong]

OK repeat set so kick long run 40 metres to the 1st tackle .
On tackle 6 the opposition kick it in goal and rinse repeat .

How does that solve the problem ?

It all depends how our defence is going. Last nights game, I’d rather give them 1-2 tackles in the 10m zone than multiple attempts from a short restart because Hughes and grant were killing us.

 

[BroncsFan]

Is there anyone at all that thinks taking the 2 to go up by 4 in a high scoring shoot out was a good call, other than our decision makers?

The game always felt as though we'd get run down right at the end but it felt over after that call.

We had a penalty about 5mins or so before that as well and I was thinking at the time that I wouldn't mind just taking the two whenever it was offered to us and just accumulate points.

We had looked completely clueless for the second half without Reynolds and taking the two whenever it was offered to us would turn the game into more of a stop start game and help to kill storm's momentum if they started to build it up.

Even inside the 20m we couldn't rely on getting through a set and then rolling it in for a drop out, because we're so shit at short dropouts on both sides of the ball... so if we didn't score from the tap we couldn't really look to camp down there anyway.

We were also looking better when we were further from the ingoal, so starting off a kick off would give everyone a break, get to the kick and then look to defend.

We took the tap instead and looked completely rudderless in the 20m.... next time we got the penalty we took a shot at goal.

Had we taken the two then and taken the two again later on, and just keep building points, maybe we take too much time off the clock and storm aren't able to build up the momentum that led to their tries.

 

[BroncsFan]

Give him 5-6. Back end of the season will need him badly.

And we will also need him through origin.

 

[BroncsFan]

As for these short kick offs from the goal-line; lots of teams trying it this year.

As Cooper Cronk said recently;

“Like anything in our game, the best teams will practice it better than the worse teams, and the best teams will become better at getting the ball back.”

“I think it’s going to get ugly. You’re going to have guys going up and batting the ball back, because that’s where all of our players are.”

Practice makes perfect then. Is it any surprise one of the best exponents of it is this mob...

There is no need to "catch" this - Yeo is trying to flick the ball back to his own side.

Penrith even have someone lagging the kick on Mlebournes side of the ball in case it bounces back towards goal.

Parra did it differently via using blockers in front of the chase allowing Gutherson to make a catch.

So, is this a trend that stays? Dunno really, clearly sides are still working this out. Might be a fad that goes after a couple more rounds or - someone works out a way to secure possesion like 20-30% of the time and then everyone tries to copy.

Do Brisbane simply need to pracice it more?

I think the penrith approach is better... Edwards or Yeo?? looks to get position and is facing 'backwards' so if he attempts to catch it and drops it then it would go backwards and someone is there waiting to scramble on it, but that position takes up space and makes it harder for the kicking team to get to it cleanly anyway.

Then look at all the penrith jerseys scrambling after it's hit backwards... they know he's not tapping it back 2m to someone close... penrith knock it back like 10-15m quite often... chasing team have further to run and there's more panthers there to recover the bouncing ball.

Panthers also have someone sitting behind in case storm want to knock it back... ala first try in the GF.

They would practice that shit until it's muscle memory.

The parra approach is slightly more what we do... we have some guys set up in front and hope that someone takes ownership to go up and get it... unfortunately we don't seem to nominate who that person is going to be every time. Gutho might be the man for Parra and if so it might be him going up all the time.

I think the parra approach is a higher risk though... Gutho coming forward risks a knock on if he doesn't catch it... blockers risk a penalty with all the diving that goes on now... and the guys blocking lose momentum against the chasers because they're going from a standing start compared to a running start from the chasers.

Penrith aren't really caring about blockers at all, because someone is batting it back is like Coates batting it back... outstretching the arms gets the point of contact way higher than someone trying to catch it... basically turns it into a basketball tip off... except they also have Kenny or whoever floating around the back if they lose so that runs a risk as well.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Reynolds best drop out ever was the one in the final against the storm last year. Long, low and angled.

Every time there's a short drop out I wonder why he doesn't do this. It's a win-win. Decent distance, pins them to a side, difficult to take or goes out.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Give him 5-6. Back end of the season will need him badly.

We also need him now though.

We might win 2-3 out of the next 6 if he's not playing

 

[Foordy]

We also need him now though.

We might win 2-3 out of the next 6 if he's not playing

Have you actually had a look at the Draw or just started panicking gor no reason.

Our next 6 games are: Phins, Raiders, Tigers, Roosters, Eels, Manly.

We'll have Walsh back, so even with Reynolds out, they're all winnable games

 

[theshed]

I can’t say I’ve heard that one verbalised, no.

That is not very Kevvie, I’d be shocked if it was from him.

Some teams do it for three reasons, soaks up time, gives you a break and you get to attack from further out for a set- which a lot of teams Broncos included like.

Yeah I interpreted it as 2 things.

1. They felt completely exhausted
2. They have zero faith in their ability to score from close the try line.

It was probably as negative of a play as you can get. Absolutely gave Storm the message that we have too much respect for them. That set should’ve been the Benny crash play.

 

[Dazza 92]

I think the penrith approach is better... Edwards or Yeo?? looks to get position and is facing 'backwards' so if he attempts to catch it and drops it then it would go backwards and someone is there waiting to scramble on it, but that position takes up space and makes it harder for the kicking team to get to it cleanly anyway.

Then look at all the penrith jerseys scrambling after it's hit backwards... they know he's not tapping it back 2m to someone close... penrith knock it back like 10-15m quite often... chasing team have further to run and there's more panthers there to recover the bouncing ball.

Panthers also have someone sitting behind in case storm want to knock it back... ala first try in the GF.

They would practice that shit until it's muscle memory.

The parra approach is slightly more what we do... we have some guys set up in front and hope that someone takes ownership to go up and get it... unfortunately we don't seem to nominate who that person is going to be every time. Gutho might be the man for Parra and if so it might be him going up all the time.

I think the parra approach is a higher risk though... Gutho coming forward risks a knock on if he doesn't catch it... blockers risk a penalty with all the diving that goes on now... and the guys blocking lose momentum against the chasers because they're going from a standing start compared to a running start from the chasers.

Penrith aren't really caring about blockers at all, because someone is batting it back is like Coates batting it back... outstretching the arms gets the point of contact way higher than someone trying to catch it... basically turns it into a basketball tip off... except they also have Kenny or whoever floating around the back if they lose so that runs a risk as well.

...also, should mention Arthurs try from AReys kick. Melbourne jam up inside and trust that their wingers can turn and chase or get a body check on runners.

That kick right on the edge betwen the jamming centre and exposed winger - classic set play.

Thats how you beat Melbourne - shame he couldnt last the distance.

 

[winslow_wong]

Have you actually had a look at the Draw or just started panicking gor no reason.

Our next 6 games are: Phins, Raiders, Tigers, Roosters, Eels, Manly.

We'll have Walsh back, so even with Reynolds out, they're all winnable games

The only teams we can’t beat are Penrith and Melbourne in Melbourne.

 

[Browny]

Short drop outs aside, Staggs stays calm and passes we score, Cobbos pass is caught we score, we don’t try a stupid chip and chase they don’t start a set in our half, dumb last play bomb when everytime we went through the hands we caught them short.

It felt very GF like by just bad option after bad option.

Just learn ffs

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Have you actually had a look at the Draw or just started panicking gor no reason.

Our next 6 games are: Phins, Raiders, Tigers, Roosters, Eels, Manly.

We'll have Walsh back, so even with Reynolds out, they're all winnable games

Yes I've had a look at the draw and completely agree but you can't expect to be on song every week and keep focus for 20 weeks in a row. We will lose a couple games we shouldn't and when you've only got 3-5 losses leeway pressure will build with every loss.

 

[Big Del]

Significant chance of penalty

The new rules make it less likely .
You can kick it out on the full or not 10 = no penalty . Just a PTB 10 metres out .
A cynic might suggest just kick it out on the full every time or dribble it 4-5 metres . . Set your defence and away we go .

 

[Big Del]

Short goal line dropout:
- Some chance of recovery
- Significant chance of penalty
- More chance of giving up try on the 'crash play'
- Less fatigue defending with minimal distance to get back onside

Long goal line dropout:
- No chance of recovery
- Very low chance of penalty
- More chance for opposition to create forward momentum to open up gaps in the line
- More fatigue defending a larger distance to goal line

With the new rules, the NRL wants more short kickoffs. If they can be done well, then they are actually the better option in my opinion - there's positives and negatives which even out for long and short, but short gives you the chance at recovery.

But it depends if you can execute or not. If you are well-drilled and know you can do it effectively, short goal line dropout is better... but if you can't do it consistently, then better to just boot it long.

We fall into the latter.

What about lifting ?
Union style ? I have wondered about that since short kick offs became a thing . Or a player squatting and letting a team mate climb him to get 1st hands on the ball ?

 

[HarryAllan7]

What about lifting ?
Union style ? I have wondered about that since short kick offs became a thing . Or a player squatting and letting a team mate climb him to get 1st hands on the ball ?

Maybe we just replace Fletcher Baker with a step ladder that wears a Broncos jersey, sits on our 10m line (about 10m in from touch) and doesn't move.

It would produce the same amount in attack, and might even be an improvement in defence... and then everytime we do a goal line dropout Arthars can just climb to the top and catch the ball?