POST GAME Round 5 - Sea Eagles vs Broncos

[BroncsFan]

I believe it's true, NRL stats are showing we only used 7 interchanges and one HIA. As I recall Seibold has always had issues with bench rotations, relying far too much on predetermined schedules so he'd keep gassed players on the field way too long and other times he'd pull them off too early.

Agreed... Flegler gets gassed quite quickly under the new rules so he shouldn't be spending 20mins out there, just because. Needs to see that he's fatigued and get him off.

No point having 3 forward on the bench and not using them.

Not sure how many minutes Haas played but he should've been given a break at some point. There was a moment where he looked spent... not the one he caught flat footed (that was just him getting it because no one else put their hand up), I think it was something I saw in defence.

Anyway I think the rotation policy will come in this week and see Flegler getting a rest... NSWRL will say that he's been dropped and is all of a sudden looking to move, but he looked a bit flat last night and with TPJ and Glenn back as well as Oates looking solid in the back row, I think we can afford to give him a break.

As usual Offa needs to pick up his game, he was ok last night, but largely ineffective in attack. Should go back to the middle rotation, which means we need him to pick up his game... perhaps the newborn is impacting on him

 

[Maroon4life]

Maybe I’m paranoid and usually I chuckle at people who say this but damn the fox commentary felt one sided last night. Obviously that’s partly because we were trash the second half but it felt like they couldn’t give us any wraps.

At one point they said “fingers crossed they kick this” when Manly were converting one of their comeback tries.

Channel 9 with johns, Gould and Fittler were pretty bad. As far as johns was concerned every call was right and manly could do no wrong. Halftime both Gould and johns were saying that the broncos will lose even though they were up up 18-4.

 

[mitch222]

Anyone else still incredibly pissed at last nights game? I am about to punch someone here

 

[Rico]

You've been spitting some absolute truth tonight.

However 2018 is Milf's club poty year.

I cant remember precisely but didnt he also win the bhq poty? Maybe hes better at that role than anyone gives him credit for.

IMO he got POTY in 2018 because it would have been a PR disaster giving it to Lodge.

 

[TheTruther]

Hey fellas part-time lurker here coming out of the woodwork to discuss that game.

I've been watching the NRL, every game, every week, since 2011. I've never seen a more one sided effort after a crucial moment then after Boyd's 2nd try was disallowed. The referees after that point seemed to have a directive to keep Brisbane out of the game.

Every call went against the Broncos. Most of the penalties that were given were for infringements. However, what p#ssed me off was that infringements performed by Manly were not penalised. Absolutely no consistency. After the disallowed try the Broncos only received 2 set restarts after they were gassed in the dying minutes.

My theory is the betting agencies put in a call to the refs, Broncos were $4.50 outsiders. Couldn't afford the payout. They're in bed with the game. Prevented me from making a tidy contribution to my account as well. I think they deserved to win and I backed them to, thought they would fire up after the last two weeks.

Based on that performance they will do well against the Knights. I reckon you guys will still make the 8 when your best players return. Keep the faith.

 

[McHunt]

Hey fellas part-time lurker here coming out of the woodwork to discuss that game.

I've been watching the NRL, every game, every week, since 2011. I've never seen a more one sided effort after a crucial moment then after Boyd's 2nd try was disallowed. The referees after that point seemed to have a directive to keep Brisbane out of the game.

Every call went against the Broncos. Most of the penalties that were given were for infringements. However, what p#ssed me off was that infringements performed by Manly were not penalised. Absolutely no consistency. After the disallowed try the Broncos only received 2 set restarts after they were gassed in the dying minutes.

My theory is the betting agencies put in a call to the refs, Broncos were $4.50 outsiders. Couldn't afford the payout. They're in bed with the game. Prevented me from making a tidy contribution to my account as well. I think they deserved to win and I backed them to, thought they would fire up after the last two weeks.

Based on that performance they will do well against the Knights. I reckon you guys will still make the 8 when your best players return. Keep the faith.

If you can work 5G towers into this I reckon you have a solid theory.

 

[tommy]

Still can’t believe Boyd’s second try was disallowed and then manlys was! It was in fact worse...oh wait I can believe it.

The worst thing was the video ref only took one look at either incident before confidently declaring his decision. A sign his mind was already made up before even checking.

 

[TheTruther]

If you can work 5G towers into this I reckon you have a solid theory.

Don't be ridiculous, they're perfectly safe!

When millions of dollars are on the line, anything's possible. The referees were definitely manipulating the outcome in the 2nd half. Whatever reason it was for doesn't matter. The Broncos had a much improved performance though, completions were good and tackled well. If the calls even went 50/50 they would have won.

 

[Wolfie]

We have a fair bit to fix up. Our centres are atrocious in defence. Staggs is lucky he is a gun in attack, if he wasn't, he would be on a par with Boyd for his defence. Our halves need to manage the game and create a bit more, and we need more variation in the way our forwards play. This constant just hit the ball up style isn't working.

On top of that, we play dumb and our discipline is just so bad. A more disciplined footy team would have won despite the ref's. First and foremost, we need to get our defensive structures in order this week and build from there.

 

[pagey]

As I said earlier somewhere, I'll reserve judgement until the full side is on the paddock and Croft and Milf have time to work on their new combination as our halves pairing. Again, I was encouraged by their performances in Rds 1 and 2. Turps definitely makes a difference at 9.

And our PTB speed is way too slow.

Yeah rounds 1 & 2 seem like a life time ago.
I just think a bit more experience in the 9 and dearden needs to play if he's our future, and paix needs a hand. Also as talented as Niu is he's not really any use on the bench , and like some have said seibolds bench use is borderline pathetic.

 

[GCBRONCO]

If you can work 5G towers into this I reckon you have a solid theory.

 

[jarro65]

We have a fair bit to fix up. Our centres are atrocious in defence. Staggs is lucky he is a gun in attack, if he wasn't, he would be on a par with Boyd for his defence. Our halves need to manage the game and create a bit more, and we need more variation in the way our forwards play. This constant just hit the ball up style isn't working.

On top of that, we play dumb and our discipline is just so bad. A more disciplined footy team would have won despite the ref's. First and foremost, we need to get our defensive structures in order this week and build from there.

Agree with all of this.

So what is the coach doing then ?
Why are these deficiencies still apparent after him being in charge for over a year now ?
Does he not believe structures, both attacking and defensive, are an important part of the modern NRL game ?
Why can we all see what needs to happen and not the guy who can try to make it happen ?

#Frustrated

 

[pagey]

Reminds me more of a young Mal Meninga. You're talking about his hair, right?
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The difference is we were never expecting Croft to do anything other than feed the ball to Milford for him to do his magic. We're also paying him **** all. I would say Croft is delivering about par with expectations.

That's not what we should expect from our 7 no matter what he's getting paid, if so why not use dearden or even paix for that job. At least that's giving them experience and they're even cheaper. Either way I think he should start at 9 and bring dearden in until turpin returns.

 

[McHunt]

That's not what we should expect from our 7 no matter what he's getting paid, if so why not use dearden or even paix for that job. At least that's giving them experience and they're even cheaper. Either way I think he should start at 9 and bring dearden in until turpin returns.

Has he ever played hooker before? You make it sound like it's not a specialist role.

Like Macca, Turpin was a halfback made hooker. Not unlike Paix, but had spent more time there. Turpin turned into a pretty decent hooker but was a critical disaster when he returned to the halves. Macca didn't fare so well in the halves either.

 

[rnabokov]

Agree with all of this.

So what is the coach doing then ?
Why are these deficiencies still apparent after him being in charge for over a year now ?
Does he not believe structures, both attacking and defensive, are an important part of the modern NRL game ?
Why can we all see what needs to happen and not the guy who can try to make it happen ?

#Frustrated

I am beginning to wonder if Seibold has an arrogance which prevents him from doing what needs to be done rather than what he thinks needs to be done. I still reckon he is far too focused on the middle rather than a whole team approach, and as you say, he has had enough time to analyse and deal with the team's shortcomings - basic structures in attack & defence, tackling technique, play the ball speed and bench rotation. For mine the next 4 weeks will determine if he is worth his contract money or not.

 

[Marsh]

I am beginning to wonder if Seibold has an arrogance which prevents him from doing what needs to be done rather than what he thinks needs to be done. I still reckon he is far too focused on the middle rather than a whole team approach, and as you say, he has had enough time to analyse and deal with the team's shortcomings - basic structures in attack & defence, tackling technique, play the ball speed and bench rotation. For mine the next 4 weeks will determine if he is worth his contract money or not.

I also scratch my head as why there's been no improvement in the basics. From what I saw in Round 1 and 2, we will definitely improve in attack this year once TPJ and Fifita are back on deck then our pack will get on the front foot and allow our halves and outsides to finish off their hard work.

What I don't understand is, after our defence being such an obvious glaring problem for quite sometime, why didn't he do whatever necessary to get the best defensive coach available as an assistant coach. We won't be a genuine premiership threat until a defensive structures have a complete overhaul.

 

[Thelmus]

If you look at the way we attack everything we do as a team is disjointed apart from the one out hit ups. And it gets worse when we tire.
If you looked at our defence at the beginning and the end there is no comparison. So that too goes to pieces as we tire.
We need to play the game on our terms but I'm just not sure we have the experience or intelligence to pull that off.
I believe croft is the right man for the job but needs to understand when to take a risk and when it is better not to. Milford has never learned this so it is pointless to try with him.
What to do about our situation?
We need to understand that at this stage of their careers the majority of our players are going to make more mistakes and be less fit than their opponents.
Drilling the defence would be good but that ship has sailed for this season. In any event if we keep playing footballers out of the position they trained for it wouldn't matter.
I'm not sure what it is we have worked on in the break. Those kicks to coates were great, but not exactly scripted. We had Shepard's, no sheparding, player hanging back, and players not hanging back. Same with our sweep plays. Our defence is rushing up one week and sliding the week before.
They are young players who get tired and will make mistakes.
Give them a few simple plans and let them perfect them. Pick your spine and try and stick with it. When you change a player for another, have them train as their shadow. Lastly, if we are going down the route Bellamy do it right and make sure there are only a select few who change the plan and tactics. They should be judge, jury and executioner on every play. Everyone else is effectively a robot with a pre-planned set of instructions. Every one is on the same page attack and defence.
It's a boring style of play, but we have picked that type of coach, and the storm have taught us that if done right it works. So make it work.

 

[Sproj]

Yeah rounds 1 & 2 seem like a life time ago.
I just think a bit more experience in the 9 and dearden needs to play if he's our future, and paix needs a hand. Also as talented as Niu is he's not really any use on the bench , and like some have said seibolds bench use is borderline pathetic.

I don't think his bench use is borderline, it IS pathetic, it is like watching the Hook years all over again. I actually think the coach is doing a lot of things right but his rigidity in game and sticking to pre-conceived ideas is killing the kids out there, they need breaks they aren't getting. For example, just because Haas can play 80 and play 80 well does not mean he should be week-in, week-out.