PRE-GAME Round 6 - Raiders vs Broncos

[Dash]

Repeating it over and over again doesn't make it true.

And writing off something that happens repeatedly as just a coincidence is naive.

 

[Dash]

Sounds like you're accusing Darius Boyd of match fixing? You should probably contact ASADA and let them know about your inside knowledge

Unless he's on drugs, I don't see why they'd care.

 

[Sproj]

Whether Boyd is trying and stuffing up or not trying and stuffing up is not really the important bit. The important bit is perception to his team, he is the captain after all.

If your team as a whole is screwing everything up (which they are), how do you as captain rev them up when you are perceived to be a big part of that problem?

Who is going to listen if your actions don’t look great and you say in the media everything is awesome?

That makes young, impressionable kids (of which there are many) think their below average performances are also ok.

 

[Sproj]

Dean Pay changes the fullback and hooker and gets instant results.
He copped flak from Doggies supporters in the opening rounds and was not too stubborn and rung in the changes. They trash the Tigers with some exciting brand of football. Next up the almost bash Melbourne into submission but fall short.

Seibold has to put his mark, stop listening to Lockyer, Langer, Boyd or the senior players from the 2015 heartache. Believe the young guns, start fresh and hand over the reigns to the young bulls.
Make Lodge, Fifita, Carrigan co-captains and start over again.

And inconvenient truth to this argument though is they got smashed by 40 last week, they too are inexperienced and therefore inconsistent. Not a great argument.

 

[Cult]

Unless he's on drugs, I don't see why they'd care.

Yeah my bad, ASADA is just part of the agency, along with the National Integrity of Sport Unit (NISU) and the national sports integrity functions of Sport Australia that is now known as the National Sports Tribunal.

“The new agency provides a one-stop shop for sports integrity, providing easier access for sport but will also enhance the effective coordination and dissemination of intelligence, we will no longer be looking at anti-doping in isolation ” - ASADA CEO David Sharpe

Maybe ASADA can pass it up the chain of command?

 

[Super Freak]

Dean Pay changes the fullback and hooker and gets instant results.
He copped flak from Doggies supporters in the opening rounds and was not too stubborn and rung in the changes. They trash the Tigers with some exciting brand of football. Next up the almost bash Melbourne into submission but fall short.

Seibold has to put his mark, stop listening to Lockyer, Langer, Boyd or the senior players from the 2015 heartache. Believe the young guns, start fresh and hand over the reigns to the young bulls.
Make Lodge, Fifita, Carrigan co-captains and start over again.

You didn't watch their game last weekend, did you?

Also, he didn't exactly get instant results. He promoted Jeremy Marshall-King to starting hooker in Round 2 and they got beat 36-16.

 

[Foordy]

Dean Pay changes the fullback and hooker and gets instant results.
He copped flak from Doggies supporters in the opening rounds and was not too stubborn and rung in the changes. They trash the Tigers with some exciting brand of football. Next up the almost bash Melbourne into submission but fall short.

Seibold has to put his mark, stop listening to Lockyer, Langer, Boyd or the senior players from the 2015 heartache. Believe the young guns, start fresh and hand over the reigns to the young bulls.
Make Lodge, Fifita, Carrigan co-captains and start over again.

if by instant results you mean coming in last place ... then yeah he got instant results.

the Bulldogs are the last team we should be copying off

 

[Morkel]

But Boyd repeatedly doing it does.

And writing off something that happens repeatedly as just a coincidence is naive.

Boyd slipping over, or trying to take the intercept, on more than one occasion is definitely true. Claiming he is doing it deliberately, and avoiding tackles deliberately, is baseless and insulting, no matter how many times you want to normalise it by repeating it.

If he was deliberately avoiding collisions, why would he be defending in the line so often? It's just a bizarre accusation.

 

[Dash]

Boyd slipping over, or trying to take the intercept, on more than one occasion is definitely true. Claiming he is doing it deliberately, and avoiding tackles deliberately, is baseless and insulting, no matter how many times you want to normalise it by repeating it.

If he was deliberately avoiding collisions, why would he be defending in the line so often? It's just a bizarre accusation.

He has taken the soft every time. In most cases I don't think it would have made a lick of difference, but he has chosen the easier option every single time.

Darius made three whole tackles in the Dragons game. Clearly defending in the line isn't leading to a lot of collisions.

 

[PNG Broncos fan88]

if by instant results you mean coming in last place ... then yeah he got instant results.

the Bulldogs are the last team we should be copying off

Get off your high horse, we are in equal last place with the Dogs.
They will be 2 wins up before our floundering mob.

 

[Morkel]

He has taken the soft every time. In most cases I don't think it would have made a lick of difference, but he has chosen the easier option every single time.

Darius made three whole tackles in the Dragons game. Clearly defending in the line isn't leading to a lot of collisions.

No, you've perceived him to have taken the soft options on those occasions. Ignoring the times he does put his body on the line. Which he does.

Selective stats much?
* Storm - 8 tackles (Hughes 2)
* Cowboys - 8 tackles (Kahu 6)
* Dragons - 3 tackles (Widdop 13)
* Roosters - 8 tackles (Tedesco 2)
* Tigers - 7 tackles (Mmmbop 12)

He's out-tackled his opposite 3 games out of 5, including everyone's hero Tedesco. But yeah, keep imagining what you want.

 

[Dash]

No, you've perceived him to have taken the soft options on those occasions. Ignoring the times he does put his body on the line. Which he does.

Selective stats much?
* Storm - 8 tackles (Hughes 2)
* Cowboys - 8 tackles (Kahu 6)
* Dragons - 3 tackles (Widdop 13)
* Roosters - 8 tackles (Tedesco 2)
* Tigers - 7 tackles (Mmmbop 12)

He's out-tackled his opposite 3 games out of 5, including everyone's hero Tedesco. But yeah, keep imagining what you want.

So 35 tackles for them vs 34 for Boyd? You're right, I withdraw my argument.

 

[Unbreakable]

Boyd slipping over, or trying to take the intercept, on more than one occasion is definitely true. Claiming he is doing it deliberately, and avoiding tackles deliberately, is baseless and insulting, no matter how many times you want to normalise it by repeating it.

It's really not a stretch re: going for intercepts, even if it isn't in the forefront of his head when he's doing it, it may even be a subconscious decision, if option A is attempt to tackle this 110kg forward running at me and option B is attempt the intercept, it's reasonable to assume someone with a long list of recent injuries and heading towards the end of their career may veer towards the one that is less likely to result in them getting pulverised.

In regards to him "slipping over", I really don't know, realistically how many times have we seen that happen over the last 12 months from him? I would wager it's nearly double digits. Once again, my guess is that it's mental. When you factor in the torn achilles and multitude of hamstring & calf strains he's had over the last 4 years, it's pretty reasonable to deduct that he may be opting to "slip over" instead of trying to change direction in unison with the person he's trying to tackle because he's worried about leg injuries, which he's proven to be extremely susceptible to and which often occur (or re-occur in his case) when attempting to change directions at high speeds.

If he was deliberately avoiding collisions, why would he be defending in the line so often? It's just a bizarre accusation.

Because when he defends in the line he has other players there to help and soften the blow, when it's just him on his lonesome at the back there's really no options apart from throw your body in front of the freight train, or don't.

 

[Sproj]

No, you've perceived him to have taken the soft options on those occasions. Ignoring the times he does put his body on the line. Which he does.

Selective stats much?
* Storm - 8 tackles (Hughes 2)
* Cowboys - 8 tackles (Kahu 6)
* Dragons - 3 tackles (Widdop 13)
* Roosters - 8 tackles (Tedesco 2)
* Tigers - 7 tackles (Mmmbop 12)

He's out-tackled his opposite 3 games out of 5, including everyone's hero Tedesco. But yeah, keep imagining what you want.

When you are dropping the ball, defending in the line and having less possession = more defense, of course his numbers SHOULD be higher. What you also can't read from statistics is the number of times he also gets caught out of position while defending in the line (at least they haven't been included here). There also probably isn't a statistics for dive-by slippings and arm flying either.

So that bit about perceptions, they go a few ways.

 

[Foordy]

Get off your high horse, we are in equal last place with the Dogs.
They will be 2 wins up before our floundering mob.

so your big plan to get us back on track is to copy a coach who finished 12th last year and is currently dead last (not to mention coming off a thrashing at the hands of a team that we only lost to in the last minute.)

that's just brilliant.

what we need to do is fix up our handling ... do that and we are 3 from 5 to start the season

 

[Rookie Alan]

Just saw Isaako at a car park next to me, was going to talk to him about his drop balls, then saw his partner with the little one, then said nothing......

 

[Alec]

Just saw Isaako at a car park next to me, was going to talk to him about his drop balls, then saw his partner with the little one, then said nothing......

"Hey babe, pass me the baby"
"....I don't think so, hon".

 

[Matheos]

so your big plan to get us back on track is to copy a coach who finished 12th last year and is currently dead last (not to mention coming off a thrashing at the hands of a team that we only lost to in the last minute.)

that's just brilliant.

what we need to do is fix up our handling ... do that and we are 3 from 5 to start the season

Why is any talk mentioned of the Bulldogs? It is a huge backhand to the current team that we are compared to them. A poor run to start the season does not define the club or the 30 players in our 2019 roster.
We are miles ahead of the Bulldogs, they are a terrible example to replicate - poor salary cap management, lack of on-field quality, poor senior management, etc. They will be in the bottom four for a few years, guaranteed.