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Of all weeks not to have a Thursday night game...
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So your argument is that Boyd letting in multiple tries that should've been stopped isn't a realistic reason for us losing, but us dropping multiple balls that would've led to tries is a realistic reason for us losing?
There's an argument to be made that Boyd defensively has had a worse impact on our for and against than our ball handling in try scoring situations, do you disagree with that assessment?
By my calculations we've bombed 3 extremely easy tries this season, and Boyd has conservatively let in at least 3 tries that a park footballer from Dubbo would've had no issues in putting his body in front of. You can argue that stopping a try doesn't always equate to us holding them out for the remainder of the set or what not, but that's just making something overly complicated that is pretty simple, he is costing us points defensively on a week to week basis, there's no way around that.
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ostin86
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Thats good. A lot of people can spot the massive flaws in our football side. Unfortunately for us most of the other teams can also.
If the two players in question were contributing positively to the team then not so many people would be questioning their value.
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How can an argument be made that Boyd has had a worse impact when your evidence shows the same number of tries being allowed in? You also deleted the 2nd part of my comment stating we have lost because of errors. How many points have dropped bombs or silly drop balls led to? If you want to blame someone, how many Isaako errors have eventually led to tries? Would be far more than Boyd.
A lot of those errors were completely avoidable and that same park footballer from Dubbo could have held onto the ball. The times Boyd has let them run past him were also avoidable if the front line defense did their job better. Instead they lay on the ground and don't get to marker or just hold off and don't bother attempting tackles. At least two of the 3 tries you're using as an example could have been prevented if other players weren't being lazy first.
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Slippin Jimmy
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Just so I have this straight, you think you're being conservative when you suggest that a park footy player from Dubbo would stop the McInnes and Bromwich tries where Boyd tried for the intercept in a 2 on 1 situation as the last line of defence?
I would rather Boyd make the player complete the pass to earn the try, but those were still going to be tries the vast majority of the time if Boyd takes the man.
I'll give you the Chrichton try as one that should have been prevented though.
edit: Actually I'm wrong about the Bromwich one. I rewatched the break again and his support runner was well and truly covered by Nikorima.
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I said Darius has let in 3 tries conservatively, and I mean extremely conservatively. I think if we replace Boyd with RTS exclusively for those 1 on 1 situations where we've witnessed Darius do a variety of things to avoid contact, pretending to slip over, falling for dummies from front rowers with nobody in support, begging for a penalty from the referee. Throw RTS in those exact same game scenarios, he stops 9/10 of those without a shadow of doubt in my mind, the only one of the abhorrent non-efforts from Boyd this season that would've been difficult to stop even if he had put in some effort was the Kenny Bromwich one in Round 1, he's not easy to stop 1 on 1, the rest, comfortable 1 on 1 defensive reads for a good Fullback.
I wholeheartedly agree, I believe Ofahengaue & TPJ have been the two main offenders in the middle, I want Ofahengaue dropped to work on his match fitness once TPJ is back, and I want TPJ used in short bursts off the bench, neither seemingly has any gas left in the tank towards the ends of games and they resort to lazy arms tackles.
Nevertheless, Boyd is the last line of defensive and has proven in the past that he is actually capable of being the best defensive Fullback in the game when he wants to. That's what makes the first 5 rounds even more annoying, we've seen what he can do, this is fucking trash what he's currently dishing up for us.
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I agree with you. I would add one extra thing though, our defence and the extent of our missed tackles has also been a significant contributor. Once again, that is not down to individuals, that is a team wise issue and an attitudinal issue. It becomes a bit of a merry go round really, dropping the ball and not completing out sets means that we have to do more defence. More defence fatigues you making it more likely that you drop the ball and miss tackles.
I just get the feeling we are a moment in a game away from clicking and then everything starting to fall together.
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Boyd's attitude to let those tries in without so much of a whimper is what stinks. He doesn't even try he just pretends to fall for a dummy or falls over. Piss poor attitude starts at the top and infects the rest of the team.
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Yeah, I mean you also can and should give Ofa and Milf and co shit for their """defence""", but Boyd is the captain, he's the main guy you need to see put in effort. And then he pretty much often goes and throws his hands up at his teammates - it's your job to be the last line of defence too.
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But Boyd repeatedly doing it does.
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ostin86
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It looks true. Either way they are pathetic efforts on display from captain Darius.
lynx000
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Mate that is absolute nonsense, in no way is that made out in what Tom said.
tommy
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No, not really. I am accusing him of not trying though. He is definitely opening himself up to those allegations though.
PNG Broncos fan88
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This made me cry, lmfao....
Pls mods feckin suspend my account as well, if and only if Canberra win (which they won't).
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The mentality seems pretty obvious to me, someone touched on it on NRL 360 a few weeks back (Can't recall who), he's preserving his body. He's been battling injury the last few years, and he knows at his age that one more relatively severe injury could spell the end of his career. If that's accurate, it's a poor way to approach what is likely to be your final 2-3 years in the league.
Maybe Wayne leaving actually is a factor, people can joke about it all they want, but it may legitimately be true. He wouldn't be as concerned about his body if Wayne was at the helm, because he'd have a security net that Bennett won't just kick him to the curb if he gets injured again, he doesn't know that with Seibold.
It's understandable when you look at it from that perspective, he has battled mental demons in the past, a lot of which stemmed from injuries, but it's no excuse at this level. If it is purely a self preservation mentality that is inhibiting him defensively right now, the club may need to offer him some outside assistance.
Maybe Wayne leaving actually is a factor, people can joke about it all they want, but it may legitimately be true. He wouldn't be as concerned about his body if Wayne was at the helm, because he'd have a security net that Bennett won't just kick him to the curb if he gets injured again, he doesn't know that with Seibold.
It's understandable when you look at it from that perspective, he has battled mental demons in the past, a lot of which stemmed from injuries, but it's no excuse at this level. If it is purely a self preservation mentality that is inhibiting him defensively right now, the club may need to offer him some outside assistance.
PNG Broncos fan88
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Dean Pay changes the fullback and hooker and gets instant results.
He copped flak from Doggies supporters in the opening rounds and was not too stubborn and rung in the changes. They trash the Tigers with some exciting brand of football. Next up the almost bash Melbourne into submission but fall short.
Seibold has to put his mark, stop listening to Lockyer, Langer, Boyd or the senior players from the 2015 heartache. Believe the young guns, start fresh and hand over the reigns to the young bulls.
Make Lodge, Fifita, Carrigan co-captains and start over again.
He copped flak from Doggies supporters in the opening rounds and was not too stubborn and rung in the changes. They trash the Tigers with some exciting brand of football. Next up the almost bash Melbourne into submission but fall short.
Seibold has to put his mark, stop listening to Lockyer, Langer, Boyd or the senior players from the 2015 heartache. Believe the young guns, start fresh and hand over the reigns to the young bulls.
Make Lodge, Fifita, Carrigan co-captains and start over again.
