Sack Seibold Now!

[Xzei]

Brad Thorn is in a very similar boat as Seibold. He's moved on a lot of high profile players and while he's building a culture at the Reds, he doesn't have many runs on the board. They were 2-5 to start the year which also included a few games where they were getting dudded by the officials. I like Thorn, I think he's extremely underrated in Rugby League circles but I've seen nothing to suggest he'd improve the situation.

The only realistic replacement at this stage is Walters.

i wouldnt be opposed to giving hook another crack did a pretty good job of setting the broncos up for WB in 2015 and the currant crop at the panthers.

 

[rnabokov]

Yes I did, it comes down to the quality of the opposition and the missing players. Above all else, these recent string of losses are nothing new.

No, but giving up so easily is, and that's my point.

We also beat Souths who are quality, and led Manly 18 - 0.

When the going gets tough, the tough get going. We don't .. except for Herbie, Patty and Xavier. Even Payne has slumped, seriously, from what he was last year and in the 1st 2 rounds. That's a real sign something is seriously wrong.

 

[Big Pete]

No, but giving up so easily is, and that's my point.

We also beat Souths who are quality, and led Manly 18 - 0.

Brisbane have been doing it for well over a year now, again 36-4 Sydney, 38-6 vs. Souths.

When they get some footy and they're not chasing down a lead Brisbane can play OK footy but they rely on their opposition to make some huge mistakes. Against Souths, they blew an early chance in the corner and could not put it together save for a 10 minute period right before half-time.

Similar story against Manly. Turn over after turn over and Brisbane got some momentum. When they actually got through their sets and played some footy, we saw the difference in class between both teams.

 

[rnabokov]

Brisbane have been doing it for well over a year now, again 36-4 Sydney, 38-6 vs. Souths.

When they get some footy and they're not chasing down a lead Brisbane can play OK footy but they rely on their opposition to make some huge mistakes. Against Souths, they blew an early chance in the corner and could not put it together save for a 10 minute period right before half-time.

Similar story against Manly. Turn over after turn over and Brisbane got some momentum. When they actually got through their sets and played some footy, we saw the difference in class between both teams.

I get all that Pete but it doesn't explain the failure of will, of resilience, of pride, of professionalism to compete

As for the 1st 2 rounds, it was a the start of a new beginning, and for what it's worth we showed a lot of promising signs.

 

[007]

I get all that Pete but it doesn't explain the failure of will, of resilience, of pride, of professionalism to compete

As for the 1st 2 rounds, it was a the start of a new beginning, and for what it's worth we showed a lot of promising signs.

Quite simply the game has changed, and for the worst for us. We havnt been able to adapt in any way shape or form.

 

[rnabokov]

Quite simply the game has changed, and for the worst for us. We havnt been able to adapt in any way shape or form.

I get that as well. The question why however remains unanswered, and the only thing I can think of that goes some way to explain it is that Harvard doesn't have a course on how to inspire and encourage and motivate, let alone instill discipline, and if that's the case, Seibold won't last long. If that is true, he is not meant for this club. We will know soon enough

 

[007]

I get that as well. The question why however remains unanswered, and the only thing I can think of that goes some way to explain it is that Harvard doesn't have a course on how to inspire and encourage and motivate, let alone instill discipline, and if that's the case, Seibold won't last long. If that is true, he is not meant for this club. We will know soon enough

There's probably 3 realistic reasons, and in no particular order:

1) The overall IQ/motivation/morale of the squad is shithouse - wont respond to much, needs leaders, clear out etc etc etc as weve all spoken about.

2) Seibs doesn't have a grasp of the team and isn't getting them up to speed quick enough.

3) The place was in that much of a mess Seibs is still playing catch up rewriting the alphabet so these guys can learn for the future. Dont forget Bennet Ball is very basic, and while successful for a short period, is studied easily and caught up on quickly.

 

[rnabokov]

There's probably 3 realistic reasons, and in no particular order:

1) The overall IQ/motivation/morale of the squad is shithouse - wont respond to much, needs leaders, clear out etc etc etc as weve all spoken about.

2) Seibs doesn't have a grasp of the team and isn't getting them up to speed quick enough.

3) The place was in that much of a mess Seibs is still playing catch up rewriting the alphabet so these guys can learn for the future. Dont forget Bennet Ball is very basic, and while successful for a short period, is studied easily and caught up on quickly.

Well put.

I think all three are correct to differing degrees, and are all connected.

If 1) is true, then all but 4 or 5 of this side need clearing out. Not an attractive option

I was also really sad to see Haas's form drop off last game. His defence is sloppy, he looks almost lost. He's 20. Maybe a number of our young players need some kind of close mentoring by old boys like Civo for our young forwards, and Hodges for the backs, those old boys you can respect and admire.

 

[Big Pete]

Sacking Seibold? I don't see that as the solution yet, certainly if nothing changes over the rest of the season, then probably, along with serial under-performers. At this stage, I think Seibold is doing his absolute level best to turn things around. If it's not good enough, then the obvious question is what is he doing wrong.

When Seibold signed, I didn't think we'd hear any discussion surrounding his future until 2021 at the earliest. I didn't think the Broncos would find themselves in a position like this but here they are and something has to give.

On that point, my biggest concern is that he has lost the dressing room. The consequences of that are dire. Do the players have a right to **** up because they don't like the coach? Equally, if Seibold's style of coaching just isn't working, then he ought to go soon. But I can't accept that as the reason of the decline from the performances in the 1st rounds when most of us, and the media were saying we were back.

I don't think he's lost the dressing room, the dressing room just doesn't have any belief in themselves. They don't believe they can win any contests, so they take impatient options and it backfires time and time again. They get easily frustrated by bad refereeing decisions and they've got too many players going through on the spot training.

Winning matches will fix a lot of these issues.

As for the fact that we have had a super hard draw, sure. That explains a lot, but it doesn't address the issue of why there is such a lack of resilience in the face of adversity. It doesn't explain why we should have flogged Manly after leading by so much, but then let them win the second half by what, 20 blot?If Seibs can't coach that, inspire the team like Bennett could as a rule, then he is not for us.

Again, I think it comes down to a lot of on the job training and not enough talk. They're not on the same page and they're far too slow to react.

I don't know the answer but there surely is one, and sackings or replacing players won't fix lack of urgency and effort across the team, slow play the balls, and couldn't give a **** defence, and just giving up when the going gets tough

Something has to give at some point.

As for the 1st 2 rounds, it was a the start of a new beginning, and for what it's worth we showed a lot of promising signs.

You're reading too much into those performances. The opposition never put Brisbane under any sustained pressure and so individuals like Staggs, Pangai, Fifita etc. were able to inspire their team mates.

 

[rnabokov]

When Seibold signed, I didn't think we'd hear any discussion surrounding his future until 2021 at the earliest. I didn't think the Broncos would find themselves in a position like this but here they are and something has to give.



I don't think he's lost the dressing room, the dressing room just doesn't have any belief in themselves. They don't believe they can win any contests, so they take impatient options and it backfires time and time again. They get easily frustrated by bad refereeing decisions and they've got too many players going through on the spot training.

Winning matches will fix a lot of these issues.



Again, I think it comes down to a lot of on the job training and not enough talk. They're not on the same page and they're far too slow to react.



Something has to give at some point.



You're reading too much into those performances. The opposition never put Brisbane under any sustained pressure and so individuals like Staggs, Pangai, Fifita etc. were able to inspire their team mates.

Everything you say, and with which I totally agree, says to me "leadership - on and off the field. The fact we seemed to have relied on the inspiration of our stars is a problem, especially if there is nothing to inspire them when the going gets tough.

Which then means it all boils down to the coaching staff

 

[Financeguy]

You're reading too much into those performances. The opposition never put Brisbane under any sustained pressure and so individuals like Staggs, Pangai, Fifita etc. were able to inspire their team mates.

100% right. Round 1 we stopped playing after 60 minutes and let the Cows come home with a wet sail, another 10 mins would have been a worry.
Round 2 was a 4 point win with some great individual efforts from Staggs. Again we just hung on in the last 20 minutes.

Whilst the results were good, there was some worrying signs. We still conceded points too easily.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

You don’t bring in a disgraced coach into a disgraced organisation, the PR is horrible. Plus I couldn’t support a team who brings in a noted organiser of cheating and someone who couldn’t care lease about rules simply because they are desperate.

Are you talking about Flanagan or bellamy?

 

[Kimlo]

Up-and-down Storm leave Bellamy confused

Meanwhile, Bellamy reluctantly responded to reports on Friday linking him to the Bulldogs but confirmed the 2021 season was likely to be his final year at the club in a head coaching role.

"I've got a contract for next year with the Storm. I'm 62 this year so I'm thinking next year will probably be it for head coaching. But having said that things change at times. I've said that before but it's a young man's job these days."

Who knows, maybe we can convince Bellamy to come back for 2 or 3 years.

 

[I bleed Maroon]

We shouldn't sleep on Flanagan IMO. I realize he's a disgraced dickhead with a bad history, but temperament wise he is exactly what this squad needs. We really should have fought harder for Madge but that ship has sailed now. Flanagan can get in there and tear the paint off the walls.

Otherwise, when is Des out of contract with Manly?

 

[rnabokov]

Up-and-down Storm leave Bellamy confused


Who knows, maybe we can convince Bellamy to come back for 2 or 3 years.

Someone passionate and demonstrative about doing what they love and loving what they do would be refreshing

Maybe that's what our team, our players need most of all.

 

[Huge]

Absolutely. However, with the quality in this side I just can't write the season off after 6 rounds given our injuries and suspensions. My only real concern at this point in time is that Seibold will be unable to inspire the team which is for mine a huge issue for us. Our lack of urgency in particular - slow play the balls in particular and giving up when under the pump, is a big warning sign whose importance can't be overemphasised

If players give a shit, they try their hardest. We haven't. If anything, the players need to support their coach by performing. Do they? A big worry that

Huh? Slow play the balls ? Every single Bronco forward had a faster ptb than their opponents! Well according to NRL stats at least.

 

[Huge]

We shouldn't sleep on Flanagan IMO. I realize he's a disgraced dickhead with a bad history, but temperament wise he is exactly what this squad needs. We really should have fought harder for Madge but that ship has sailed now. Flanagan can get in there and tear the paint off the walls.

Otherwise, when is Des out of contract with Manly?

Yes, I suggested this a few weeks ago but you can guess the kind of dickhead responses! He's a cheat yada yada yada but the same dickheads were at different times suggesting Bellamy who was a thousand times more guilty of cheating but hey, it's all good

 

[I bleed Maroon]

Yes, I suggested this a few weeks ago but you can guess the kind of dickhead responses! He's a cheat yada yada yada but the same dickheads were at different times suggesting Bellamy who was a thousand times more guilty of cheating but hey, it's all good

To be fair it is a really precarious decision to make re: Flanno, because we seem to already have a toxic culture at the club to squeeze out like a nasty pimple. Introducing Flanagan might be like trying to lance the boil with a rusty coat hanger, but given where this young squad is at mentally, it's a risk I think is worth taking to be honest. It's not like we will be the only ones circling him like a hawk, I'm sure any chance at a return to first grade coaching for Flanagan will come with a million caveats from the NRL, including surveillance.