Sack Seibold Now!

[Morepudding]

Old boys, no thanks. They are self interested mouth frothers with axes to grind, full of personal agendas who betray the club to who they owe everything. **** 'em

As for Seibold, it's his 2nd season with an injury riddled COVID affected season, so for mine he has this year to show his wares. The same thing happened with Brad Arthur when he started, and the Roosters finished 15th in 2016 under Trent Robinson after Pearce's dog act and injuries to key players.

I am as harsh a critic of Seibold as most here but sacking him at this point is premature.

Neither of those teams had a 59-0 or a 58-0 score against them, let alone twice in 5 games.

 

[rnabokov]

Neither of those teams had a 59-0 or a 58-0 score against them, let alone twice in 5 games.

True, and that is crap. However, without our stars, I would like to see what Seibold can do with a full roster fit and firing

 

[Painin the Haas]

Old boys, no thanks. They are self interested mouth frothers with axes to grind, full of personal agendas who betray the club to who they owe everything. **** 'em

As for Seibold, it's his 2nd season with an injury riddled COVID affected season, so for mine he has this year to show his wares. The same thing happened with Brad Arthur when he started, and the Roosters finished 15th in 2016 under Trent Robinson after Pearce's dog act and injuries to key players.

I am as harsh a critic of Seibold as most here but sacking him at this point is premature.

We aren’t parramatta or the roosters we shouldn’t rebuild or have disaster years. Yes we have had injuries but every team does, for a good team it doesn’t write off their season

 

[rnabokov]

We aren’t parramatta or the roosters we shouldn’t rebuild or have disaster years. Yes we have had injuries but every team does, for a good team it doesn’t write off their season

I haven't written off our season

 

[Rookie Alan]

Used to watch as many games as possible, but this Thursday I only watched the game for about 15-20 minutes, the moment Oates dropped the ball at the try line, I turned off tv.

Oates used to be one of the favourite players to Broncos fans, just like James Roberts or Anthony Milford. Ever since he had a little one, his performance dropped sharply, I still clearly remember there’re quite a few people defending Oates’ poor show coz he’s a young father. Just like people used to find excuses for Roberts at the very beginning.

I can only find one reason for their poor forms, most of our experienced players or so called elite players: Boyd, Oates, Milford, Offa, Roberts, Su’A...... they are physically strong but mentally weak, they can only perform under old school coach like Wayne.

So this is the reason Seibold has to do a massive change to the roster as he could never ever become Wayne, keeping all these players as starters don’t benefit anyone including themselves.

And if he really come up a big shake up squad, he can find the excuse even he lose the game. But keeping the team unchanged, a loss to Titan is not going to be acceptable.

1, Niu
2, Issako
3, Farnworth
4, Boyd
5, Coates
6, Dearden
7, Croft
8, Lodge
9, Luke
10, Haas
11, Glenn
12, Bullemor
13, TPJ

14, Milford
15, Oates
16, Kennedy
17, Anyone

Issako is not a fullback, I’d rather give Niu a chance to see his support run. I don’t have much choice so just keep Boyd as center. Milford is a simple man, bench him would totally set him free. Oates is the utility cover for backs and second row.

I know we’ve had 4 straight loss in a row, but losing titan could seriously be season ending sign, and I’d call for BLM protest if that really happened

BLM = Broncos loss matters!

 

[broncsgoat]

Bro there are literally tonnes of threads about seibold.

 

[Morepudding]

I have. I got us at $23 for wooden spoon. When we lose to titans next week we will be $6

I haven't written off our season

 

[I bleed Maroon]

We aren’t parramatta or the roosters we shouldn’t rebuild or have disaster years. Yes we have had injuries but every team does, for a good team it doesn’t write off their season

Fully agreed. I despise the idea that the clubs culture of elite performance has been sacrificed on the alter of corporate greed. I'm already pretty left of centre, but sinking my beloved Broncos for the big $$$ is just about the end of it for myself.

I'll be a full blown Socialist before long.

 

[Painin the Haas]

I haven't written off our season

When a team is going backwards and can’t even get basic fundamentals right it’s very concerning of where it can end up.

 

[rnabokov]

When a team is going backwards and can’t even get basic fundamentals right it’s very concerning of where it can end up.

Absolutely. However, with the quality in this side I just can't write the season off after 6 rounds given our injuries and suspensions. My only real concern at this point in time is that Seibold will be unable to inspire the team which is for mine a huge issue for us. Our lack of urgency in particular - slow play the balls in particular and giving up when under the pump, is a big warning sign whose importance can't be overemphasised

If players give a shit, they try their hardest. We haven't. If anything, the players need to support their coach by performing. Do they? A big worry that

 

[Kovik]

Fully agreed. I despise the idea that the clubs culture of elite performance has been sacrificed on the alter of corporate greed. I'm already pretty left of centre, but sinking my beloved Broncos for the big $$$ is just about the end of it for myself.

I'll be a full blown Socialist before long.

If a few games of RL is all it takes to switch camps, Socialists don't want you.
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Absolutely. However, with the quality in this side I just can't write the season off after 6 rounds given our injuries and suspensions. My only real concern at this point in time is that Seibold will be unable to inspire the team which is for mine a huge issue for us. Our lack of urgency in particular - slow play the balls in particular and giving up when under the pump, is a big warning sign whose importance can't be overemphasised

If players give a shit, they try their hardest. We haven't. If anything, the players need to support their coach by performing. Do they? A big worry that

I've written this team off to win the premiership but finals are still a chance. Maybe a few wins later in the season against top opposition is possible. If a suitable replacement for Croft and/or Milford can be found.

 

[Big Pete]

Brad Thorn is in a very similar boat as Seibold. He's moved on a lot of high profile players and while he's building a culture at the Reds, he doesn't have many runs on the board. They were 2-5 to start the year which also included a few games where they were getting dudded by the officials. I like Thorn, I think he's extremely underrated in Rugby League circles but I've seen nothing to suggest he'd improve the situation.

The only realistic replacement at this stage is Walters.

 

[broncsgoat]

Adrian lam?? Possible option.

Edit: sorry, just saw he has even less experience than seibold and not a great winning percentage either (58%)

I would snap your hand off if you offered me 58% over what we’ve been getting.

 

[rnabokov]

Brad Thorn is in a very similar boat as Seibold. He's moved on a lot of high profile players and while he's building a culture at the Reds, he doesn't have many runs on the board. They were 2-5 to start the year which also included a few games where they were getting dudded by the officials. I like Thorn, I think he's extremely underrated in Rugby League circles but I've seen nothing to suggest he'd improve the situation.

The only realistic replacement at this stage is Walters.

Does replacing Seibold explain the huge difference in attitude and form between our relatively good performances in Rds 1 and 2 - Seibold was coaching that, and then the huge sudden change from rounds 3 to 6?

Why?

 

[theshed]

Maybe he’ll want to prove he’s not just a coach hanging off smiths coat tails.

he can do that at Melbourne with a smith succession plan he implanted himself. I’d love Belly as coach but I feel that moments passed us.

 

[Big Pete]

Does replacing Seibold explain the huge difference in attitude and form between our relatively good performances in Rds 1 and 2 - Seibold was coaching that, and then the huge sudden change from rounds 3 to 6?

Why?

No, I believe that comes down to the quality of the opposition and missing players among other factors.

Seibold has hardly any runs on the board for the Broncos. With him as coach we've seen...

Round 4 2019 - Sydney 36 def. Brisbane 4
Round 8 2019 - South Sydney 38 def. Brisbane 6
Round 14 2019 - Parramatta 38 def. Brisbane 10
Round 20 2019 - Melbourne 40 def. Brisbane 4
Round 25 2019 - Canterbury 30 def. Brisbane 14
Finals Week 1 2019 - Parramatta 58 def. Brisbane 0
Round 3 2020 - Parramatta 34 def. Brisbane 6
Round 4 2020 - Sydney 59 def. Brisbane 0
Round 6 2020 - Newcastle 27 def. Brisbane 6

It's been awful and I feel for @mrslong because I have no idea why any youngster would want to follow this team.

I still think about that train ride back from ANZ in 2015 and that inconsolable young fan. I've got 2006, Rugby League has given me more than my fair share of memories, but these younger fans deserve better.

 

[rnabokov]

No, I believe that comes down to the quality of the opposition and missing players among other factors.

Seibold has hardly any runs on the board for the Broncos. With him as coach we've seen...

Round 4 2019 - Sydney 36 def. Brisbane 4
Round 8 2019 - South Sydney 38 def. Brisbane 6
Round 14 2019 - Parramatta 38 def. Brisbane 10
Round 20 2019 - Melbourne 40 def. Brisbane 4
Round 25 2019 - Canterbury 30 def. Brisbane 14
Finals Week 1 2019 - Parramatta 58 def. Brisbane 0
Round 3 2020 - Parramatta 34 def. Brisbane 6
Round 4 2020 - Sydney 59 def. Brisbane 0
Round 6 2020 - Newcastle 27 def. Brisbane 6

It's been awful and I feel for @mrslong because I have no idea why any youngster would want to follow this team.

I still think about that train ride back from ANZ in 2015 and that inconsolable young fan. I've got 2006, Rugby League has given me more than my fair share of memories, but these younger fans deserve better.

Absolutely they do, and so do we loyal long term fans. However, what you said doesn't explain why the players aren't putting in after 2 rounds when they did, and possibly suggesting ways to fix that.

Sacking Seibold? I don't see that as the solution yet, certainly if nothing changes over the rest of the season, then probably, along with serial under-performers. At this stage, I think Seibold is doing his absolute level best to turn things around. If it's not good enough, then the obvious question is what is he doing wrong.

On that point, my biggest concern is that he has lost the dressing room. The consequences of that are dire. Do the players have a right to **** up because they don't like the coach? Equally, if Seibold's style of coaching just isn't working, then he ought to go soon. But I can't accept that as the reason of the decline from the performances in the 1st rounds when most of us, and the media were saying we were back.

As for the fact that we have had a super hard draw, sure. That explains a lot, but it doesn't address the issue of why there is such a lack of resilience in the face of adversity. It doesn't explain why we should have flogged Manly after leading by so much, but then let them win the second half by what, 20 blot?If Seibs can't coach that, inspire the team like Bennett could as a rule, then he is not for us.

Maybe a key issue is our total lack of leadership on the field. If Lockyer was still playing, or Hodges, I think our performances would be a whole lot better.

I don't know the answer but there surely is one, and sackings or replacing players won't fix lack of urgency and effort across the team, slow play the balls, and couldn't give a **** defence, and just giving up when the going gets tough

 

[Big Pete]

Absolutely they do, and so do we loyal long term fans. However, what you said doesn't explain why the players aren't putting in after 2 rounds when they did, and possibly suggesting ways to fix that.

Yes I did, it comes down to the quality of the opposition and the missing players. Above all else, these recent string of losses are nothing new.