Salary Cap

[Ari Gold]

Re: Salry Cap

I completely and utterly disagree. I've said this a million times - yes it would seem great to have 4-5 stacked sides in the comp playing champagne footy every week but think about it. Do we really want to be like the English Premier League where any fool can tell you the top 4 teams for the next 10 years? What a boring competition it would be...

Not too many people would have picked Tottenham or Man City in the top 4 this year...

I agree with you to an extent Coxy. The salary cap is a good thing and has proven to be a good thing in other sports too around the world (NBA and NFL to name but two).

No way should be scrap it but there are plenty of ways to improve it

Chalk and Cheese. Nobody poaches players from the NBA. Nobody poaches players from the NFL. They have no competition in terms of player retention.

Barring abolishment, the Salary Cap should be dramatically increased and the concessions already proposed must be included. Also, get rid of bonus payments as part of the cap, at least bonuses relating to representative honors or premierships.

 

[Coxy]

I think in addition to all that, the "independent commission whatever it shall be named" should put together a marquee list of 50 players, the players they consider the best of the best, the ones that do, are, and will continue to be the ones that feature in Origin and Test football.

They should get a reward for that that is exclusive of the salary cap.

 

[Meat77]

Re: Salry Cap

I completely and utterly disagree. I've said this a million times - yes it would seem great to have 4-5 stacked sides in the comp playing champagne footy every week but think about it. Do we really want to be like the English Premier League where any fool can tell you the top 4 teams for the next 10 years? What a boring competition it would be...

Not too many people would have picked Tottenham or Man City in the top 4 this year...

I will grant you Tottenham this year, however Man City have spent a mind-boggling amount of cash improving that team so it kind of proves my point that it's the teams with money that finish on top year in, year out.

 

[Kimlo]

I think in addition to all that, the "independent commission whatever it shall be named" should put together a marquee list of 50 players, the players they consider the best of the best, the ones that do, are, and will continue to be the ones that feature in Origin and Test football.

They should get a reward for that that is exclusive of the salary cap.

Coxy I raised this idea. Mine is simpler though, triple or even quadruple origin and test payments.
If players can get an extra 50-100k+ a year from making rep teams they are the marquee players in the NRL that get the fans roling in, merchandise sold, etc.

This would motivate players to be their best for rep footy (they already are motivated but an extra 50k+ is a huge motivation) and will help keep the best players in the game without it being biased to a specific club because as long as you play rep you still get those payments.

 

[Flutterby]

coupled with the fact that AFL doesn't translate particularly well to TV hence their higher crowd figures.

And yet their TV rights deal is still worth more money than the NRL's [icon_shru

That is one major flaw in the NRL currently - they don't demand enough for the TV rights (in part because Fox is 50% owner of the game)

 

[Jeba]

coupled with the fact that AFL doesn't translate particularly well to TV hence their higher crowd figures.

And yet their TV rights deal is still worth more money than the NRL's [icon_shru

That is one major flaw in the NRL currently - they don't demand enough for the TV rights (in part because Fox is 50% owner of the game)

Exactly right. Tee told me that when they all get a chance to bid, Channel 9 always gets the last bid. So if Channel 7 want to bid 100million, Channel 9 can come back and say 100million + 1. It just gives Channel 9 too much of a bargain IMO. The NRL need to realise that our product is superior as a TV product. I love AFL but watching an AFL game on TV is absolutely nothing compared to being at the ground but Rugby League is something you can enjoy on TV as much as being at the ground. It's just such a great game to watch on TV so the NRL should demand more!!!!

 

[Ari Gold]

coupled with the fact that AFL doesn't translate particularly well to TV hence their higher crowd figures.

And yet their TV rights deal is still worth more money than the NRL's [icon_shru

That is one major flaw in the NRL currently - they don't demand enough for the TV rights (in part because Fox is 50% owner of the game)

The AFL would have more markets though. SA, WA, Tassy. Granted, their market share in the RL strongholds isn't all that impressive or valuable, and that's probably the biggest flaw of the NRL deal. They've done virtually nothing to ensure the broadcast carrier shows the same commitment in non league states as the AFL carrier does in QLD and NSW (i.e. non AFL states).

 

[Flutterby]

Yeah but even though it has more markets, AFL TV ratings are nationally lower than RL TV ratings (mainly because as Jeb said, AFL is crap to watch on tele) - so our administration is SERIOUSLY under-selling the product.

 

[ddd]

Open the clubs up to private/public ownership.

Why not do this, great idea - all of a sudden clubs have a new source of capital, far increased corporate accountability of CEO's directors, financially and professionally invested shareholders and a more professional approach to the management of clubs.

All of sudden we can see how supported clubs are, if people want cronulla to survive, they'll buy shares in it, have their vote at shareholder memberships and put pressure on the CEO, manager, etc to make financially sound business decisions. However, if this route is taken, there needs to be a clear separation of the front of house and the football side - which can be done

 

[forward_pass]

Gus Gould doesn't get it does he..

 

[Nashy]

He's using it to push his own shitty agenda.

 

[ddd]

He's using it to push his own shitty agenda.

And as long as the loudest voices are pursuing their own ends, we'll never get ahead

 

[Dexter]

I like Matt Elliotts idea. He said something about a notional cap where all player values are set independently so clubs can pay what they have to to keep players but players values are predetermined and deducted from the cap.

This way all player values are known and clubs couldn't have so many superstars within their caps.

 

[Anonymous person]

what they need to do IMO is make some sort of system where players that earn representative honours or who win a premiership are allowed to have their contracts upgraded without the UPGRADE counting towards the salary cap, provided they stay at the same club. cause the system we have now basically punishes rep/premiership players by forcing their club to have to offload them.

i know that would go a long way to stopping the decreasing quality of the NRL, and as such would result in less '1 hit wonder' years that the NRL loves so much, but to me it seems like something that could work.

 

[Dexter]

Agree AP, atm the system punishes success and development of juniors. A notional salary cap including discounts for loyalty and junior development would work better and if a club got itself into financial trouble then hard luck.

 

[Professor47]

Excellent points and once again it makes me realise and wonder why the NRL have never acted on the Salary capyears ago.

Gallop has said it is not a time to debate the cap but I think it is anything but. How can we not debate the cap after the Storm have basically made a mock of the competition for the last 5 years?

The current salary cap is nothing but disgraceful. There is no marquee or loyalty incentive which I think is just totally ridiculous. As Coxy said - if there was a loyalty system the Storm would not have had to cheat and they would deservedly have been able to have the team they have had and everything would have been sweet.

I reckon its bullshit they say they cant implement it - if so there should be STEPS towards making it happen...

 

[Bucking Beads]

I think any players developed as a junior at clubs should be free but a Salary cap be made for those players who are recruited at a mature age.

 

[ddd]

All these ideas are great, but the NRL won't implement them because the current system is giving all teams an "even chance" of winning the comp. Why would the NRL change that? An "even comp" raises the most revenue and attracts more interest in the game. It also ensures that the poorer clubs stay financial viable.

Sad but true.

Exactly right, the NRL is aiming for fairness, how is it fair, for example, that there are junior concessions if Brisbane has the largest pool of juniors out of the NRL, and then all we'll/ he'll hear about is how the NRL is allowing the broncos to be at an advantage