LIVE State of Origin I - QLD vs NSW - Live Discussion

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Well I finally got to see the full game, so here we go, maybe not too many surprises. Though I will say one thing, those NRL website ratings are not always easy to agree with.

1. Ponga - This kid is already a superstar. As mentioned previously, if he keeps on his current trajectory, he is going to go down as an all-time great, maybe even in the top two or three. I've never understood the idea that he is one knee injury away from being effectively rubbish, he has way too many weapons for that. His long passes are a thing of beauty and he isn't afraid to put his body on the line. He'll be a 30 game origin player if he stays in the NRL - 9
2. Oates - I feel a little sorry for Oates in that he was very good but looked average when compared to the other Qld winger who was just on another level again. Oates did his usual big runs out of his end and yes, that first try was bombed but that second one was amazing and we have to expect it form this amazing player - 7
3. Morgan - I thought he looked like a player who is not a centre playing out of position. He was regularly outplayed by Morris and seemed to miss quite a lot of tackles as well as not always being in the best positions when in attack. It is a shame there are no other legitimate centre options, maybe Opacic can keep up his recent run of form - 5
4. Chambers - He made a meal of a few things, got caught out defensively a few times and did a few silly things. That siad, he was legitimately a threat all night and the question really is whether Mitchell was so poor due to Chambers playing well or Mitchell just being horrible. I thought Chambers was definitely good enough to get another game - 7
5. Gagai - If his game doesn't get a perfect score, no one ever will. Gagai was once again brilliant. I have no idea what it is about origin but he grows five other legs and is a genuine weapon. He returns the ball so well, is quick, strong and elusive. There is no shame to any player in a blue jersey being outplayed by Gagai. 11 tries in 11 origins, that is freakish - 10!
6. Munster - He was phenomenal for the first 60 minutes. He was in everything and he has that real JT-like competitive streak in him where he just wants to compete for everything. He missed a few tackles but I think that is because he was making others he had no right to be making. He got quieter in the last 15 or so but that was because Qld started to shut up shop and NSW were getting a few nice leg ups - 9
7. DCE - Well...hasn't he proven a few of us wrong, me very much included! Some of his long kicks were excellent and kept turning NSW around. I love the fact he refused two penalty shots at goal early on, that is what we all want to see. He defended well too for a guy who hasn't played in a few weeks. He almost stopped Jurbo on the last try as well, that was a fair effort. He still has more to give which is exciting as well - 7
8. Arrow - He is a defensive workhorse and that was the highlight in his first stint. His second stint was on another level. He defended brilliantly as always but he made some very damaging runs as well. I know the Broncs have a fantastic group of one forwards but I still think they would look even better with Arrow in the 13. On top of that, I cannot believe his leg was fully healed, what a gun he is!! - 8
9. Hunt - You know what, I want to give Hunt a 9 because of his defense but I can't because of his first half and early second half attack. Make no mistake though, Hunt was Turpinesque in his defense. Remember, this is a guy who places halfback and he was cutting down guys twice his size, particularly Haas. Yes Hunt threw some Macca-like turf passes but he also mixed up his attack the more the game went and became a real threat. That 40/20 was excellent too! I'll say this, I think if Ben Hunt had of decided to pursue being a full-time hooker, as good as Cook is, he might have succeeded Smith. Kudos too for throwing Cordner's boot away, competitive little maggot. And another thing, Hook had it right before anyone else knew that Hunt is a hooker - 8
10. Papalii - He was possibly the best forward on the park in a game where there were excellent forwards from both teams. No forward was poor in either side to be honest but Papalii was at his best. To be fair, Kaufusi is definitely in this argument as well, as was Klemmer and Murray from NSW. Papalii's first stint was excellent but his second drove that to another level. He was running with power and smashed anything that came near him. He's become a forward leader - 9
11. Kaufusi - He finally did what he has been doing for Melbourne for years. Last year he was a liability but in this game, he was one of the best on ground. He made some very penetrating runs and was a handful with everything he did but to be honest, his defense was even more of a highlight. The amount of last ditch tackles he did and covering defense he completed was Gillette-like. What a wonderful game and that hopefully shows him now that he belongs at this level - 9
12. GIllett - It was really nice to see the Gillett of old pretty much back. He still looks so unco whenever he runs but it doesn't matter, he still provides a threat close to the opposition try line. He is picked for his defense and rightly so, he absolutely shut down Cordner and that is no mean feat. Cordner was off the chain last year without Gillett there and one game back, Cordner is nowhere to be seen. Excellent defensive game from the veteran - 8
13. McGuire - The glue that held the middle together. That penalty for neck pressure against Murray was a joke, was absolutely nothing wrong with it but other than that, McGuire did what McGuire does and just kept niggling away while doing so much of the dirty work a lot of fans may not notice. He is another forward leader - 8

14. Mbye - He was not really required to do much but he tried in his tiny cameo. He made a couple of nice tackles and made one noticeable run which was nice. Not really needed for game two as an impact bench hooker would probably be more useful, ala Granville, Turpin even or Mahoney. Hard to rate really - 4
15. Joffa - What a fine debut! He wasn't quite as good as a Papalii or a Kaufusi but I tell you what, he wasn't that far behind before going off with a knee injury. He really helped put pressure on NSW when he got out there and got through a mountain of work both sides of the ball. He had some fine runs and with his motor, will be very useful or the maroons moving forward. Hopefully his leg injury isn't too serious - 7
16. Napa - A few people have been bagging him out and I am not really sure why. He is a grub but in origin, he's a maroon grub and so that makes him ok. Some have said that he didn't pull off any of his attempted big hits, I completely disagree. Yes he missed a few but he absolutely nailed some others. NSW was indeed scared of running at him and sometimes were even guilty of pushing a pass or two so they wouldn't be smashed. He is another in the Gagai and Myles mould in that you know regardless of how they go at club level, they are going to be weapons in origin - 7
17. Fifita - Yep, for every accolade Haas gets, Fifita should be getting them too. Thanks to Haas, he is probably flying under the radar somewhat but this kid is every bit as promising as Haas. He runs so fast for a big guy and pulled out some fantastic offloads as well. He made some nice decisions in defense as well. Another 30 game origin player in the making - 8

Final notes - I actually thought Gould's commentary was less biased than usual, I thought he was actually pretty good and I think this may be because he didn't open his mouth as much as usual. Yes, his comments on the Gillett non-penalty try were completely contrary to the Cordner joke a year before but that comes with the blue-coloured glasses.

Andrew Johns also admitted that as a biased NSWelshman, that Napa no-try should have been given. Good on him but I disagree, I would have been upset if it went against my team.

The maroons were EASILY the better of the sides and some of that would come down to home ground advantage but they still have a lot of improvement in them too as they were by no means perfect.

It really was a very high quality game, one of the best origins I've seen.

Final note - Kevvie is weird.
 

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Didn't get a chance to comment during the game last night. But wow, what a game. One of the most enjoyable games I've watched in recent memory. Ofahengaue & Fifita were exceptional, super proud of them. Ponga & Munster are also unreal. Gagai is probably my favourite Origin player of the last 5 years, I just love how hard he plays in that arena, absolute legend.
 

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Not all of them.

They started running away from him after he came on.
Exactly, he fucking terrified them and made them turn back in, time and again making them easy pickings. We NEED his aggression and mongrel just to match Klemmer who was great although that knee lifting has got to be stopped cold.
 
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On guys like Arrow and Papalii, their 2nd stints were a lot better, but that was when Klemmer had come off. Their first stints were ordinary, especially Arrow. I'd like to see them try to lift their game from the start to match the impact of Klemmer.
- Merged

5. Gagai - If his game doesn't get a perfect score, no one ever will. Gagai was once again brilliant. I have no idea what it is about origin but he grows five other legs and is a genuine weapon. He returns the ball so well, is quick, strong and elusive. There is no shame to any player in a blue jersey being outplayed by Gagai. 11 tries in 11 origins, that is freakish - 10!
Gagai's record is impressive, but it's such a shame Holmes had to leave. His record so far is even more freakish -

8 tries from 5 matches for QLD.
17 tries from 13 games for Australia.

He would have finished his career as top try scorer for sure IMO.
 
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so...for Game 2;

1. Should Napa be given instructions to find Klemmer hit outs and follow him around on defence and hit the **** with everything. Klemmers metre gains are a issue for us; as Cook and Tedesco get a lot of momentum next play off them? Reckon Napa can unsettle the roll he gives the blues....er "the other team" (Copyright Kevin Walters)

2. If somehow I find out that Chambers has gotten into Latrells head, then regardless of what else he does, Chamber has to mark up against him. Cause on what I saw he was monstered throughout and it really put him off his game. Double down on that I say..

3. Need a specialist hooker and Hunt gets the 14 jumper and Mbye can **** off...

4. Munster needs to do better on our try line in defence. Some poor reads and overcommitted in defence lead to Morris's try.
 

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so...for Game 2;

1. Should Napa be given instructions to find Klemmer hit outs and follow him around on defence and hit the **** with everything. Klemmers metre gains are a issue for us; as Cook and Tedesco get a lot of momentum next play off them? Reckon Napa can unsettle the roll he gives the blues....er "the other team" (Copyright Kevin Walters)

2. If somehow I find out that Chambers has gotten into Latrells head, then regardless of what else he does, Chamber has to mark up against him. Cause on what I saw he was monstered throughout and it really put him off his game. Double down on that I say..

3. Need a specialist hooker and Hunt gets the 14 jumper and Mbye can **** off...

4. Munster needs to do better on our try line in defence. Some poor reads and overcommitted in defence lead to Morris's try.
I don't think any changes should be made, even at hooker.

Hunt played well in the second half, he earned another crack at it. He didn't hurt the side last night and got through the 80 so changing the hooker around now is only going to disrupt the side.

Unless Smith decides to come out of retirement. That's the only time a change should be made.
 

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Bennett has said he was surprised Walker was hooked. Claims Walker was the star of the show in that final 10 minutes.

I'm not sure he watched the game.
 

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Bennett has said he was surprised Walker was hooked. Claims Walker was the star of the show in that final 10 minutes.

I'm not sure he watched the game.
Telling his player what he needs to hear in order to regain confidence for his club games.
 

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The concern about Latrell's performances last night was that he has been copping a hammering for it in the media.

He'll be fired up for Game II.

I'm still maintaining that QLD must win Game II. I cannot see them winning a decider in Sydney with the Blues going into the match full of confidence. If we're any chance of winning Game II, then Chambers needs to play the game of his life because if he doesn't, Latrell is going to carve him up.
 
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Also watching the replay, Ponga needs to work on his positioning when NSW are in the attacking 20 and fast.

A couple of times he got caught out being out of position when a grubber went through and he was almost caught out a third time when Tedesco was screaming for a grubber to be put through but Cleary decided against it. That would have very likely resulted in a try which would have resulted in a different ball game.

He can't bank on Cleary playing it safe a second time around with the series on the line.
 

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Bennett has said he was surprised Walker was hooked. Claims Walker was the star of the show in that final 10 minutes.

I'm not sure he watched the game.
Or he is doing the usual Bennett trick of turning the attention to something outlandish he is saying so the media concentrate on him rather than his player.
 

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Or he is doing the usual Bennett trick of turning the attention to something outlandish he is saying so the media concentrate on him rather than his player.
I'm yet to see that work when it comes to Origin.

He's a bit late, the media are already ripping the halves apart.
 

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Centers are a bit of a worry if we get any injuries. We really have very little depth there. O'Neill was playing pretty well, and I really like Tommy Opacic, and tbf his form over the last month has been pretty good, probably better than any of our centers at Brisbane, but it shows how poor our stocks are in the centers. They shouldnt really be in the conversation but they may have to be. We already have a halfback playing there, and i'm struggling to think of anyone else. Copley maybe? or the only other option is Gagai, but he is too important as a winger.
 
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Centers are a bit of a worry if we get any injuries. We really have very little depth there. O'Neill was playing pretty well, and I really like Tommy Opacic, and tbf his form over the last month has been pretty good, probably better than any of our centers at Brisbane, but it shows how poor our stocks are in the centers. They shouldnt really be in the conversation but they may have to be. We already have a halfback playing there, and i'm struggling to think of anyone else. Copley maybe? or the only other option is Gagai, but he is too important as a winger.
Copley has been going well, that's true. He might be a late bloomer.
 

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