Storm for Wooden Spoon - Betting Suspended

[Beachy]

[quote="Anonymous person":3jcugigh]Huh? That's not at all what I said lol.

The broncos cheated the salary cap in 2006. This cannot be denied - the NRL even fined them for cheating. Melbourne do the same and they lose 5 years of work, when the broncos didn't even lose a weeks worth, let alone a premiership?

It's also harder on the storm because they are getting charged for 5 years of breaches all in one go. The broncos cheated in 01, 02, 03 but weren't charged in 03 for all 3 years at once, so why are Melbourne?

Cheating is cheating fair enough.

But, your logic suggests if I go out, punch someone in the face I will get the same amount of jail time if I go out and beat someone to the ground, kick them in the head, beat them senseless. I mean, it's all assault right?

And Melbourne are getting charged for the last few years discrepancies because they only just found out. Hence the shockingness of the story.[/quote:3jcugigh]

Nail. On. Head.

 

[Flutterby]

Brian Waldron has just "resigned" from Melb Rebels

 

[Coxy]

Brian Waldron has just "resigned" from Melb Rebels

Translation: Resign and go out with some dignity, or be sacked and be further dragged through the sewer like the piece of shit you are.

 

[gUt]

p.s someone asked about the world club challenge earlier. The English side have said they don't want the title by default. So has Parra.

 

[gUt]

But wait there's more...

AFL may check St Kilda's books

The AFL may re-examine St Kilda's books in the wake of the Melbourne Storm salary cap rort scandal which has rocked the NRL.

Brian Waldron, the man labelled the "architect" of the $1.7 million cap breach, was the chief executive at the Saints before joining the Storm.

Before his time with St Kilda, he held an administrative role at rival AFL club Richmond.

AFL boss Andrew Demetriou told the ABC that his league's auditor, Ken Wood, would most likely have another look at the Saints' finances.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/23/2880864.htm?section=justin

 

[Huge]

gUt..I was'nt being smart nor was I abusive. I simply reiterated what you yourself said. You did'nt understand my points and I have no tools to help that understanding. You abused me when I was happy to walk away from the discussion. As demonstrated by the succinctness of my writing and your consequential self confessed inability to understand its meaning any further attempt at explanation will inevitably result in further frustration for you. Once again, in good spirit I wish you all the best.

 

[gUt]

gUt..I was'nt being smart nor was I abusive. I simply reiterated what you yourself said. You did'nt understand my points and I have no tools to help that understanding. You abused me when I was happy to walk away from the discussion. As demonstrated by the succinctness of my writing and your consequential self confessed inability to understand its meaning any further attempt at explanation will inevitably result in further frustration for you. Once again, in good spirit I wish you all the best.

haha ok.

 

[Bannermania]

Huge = grammar and punctuation fail.

 

[Kimlo]

gUt..I was'nt being smart nor was I abusive. I simply reiterated what you yourself said. You did'nt understand my points and I have no tools to help that understanding. You abused me when I was happy to walk away from the discussion. As demonstrated by the succinctness of my writing and your consequential self confessed inability to understand its meaning any further attempt at explanation will inevitably result in further frustration for you. Once again, in good spirit I wish you all the best.

[icon_lol1.
The master who can not be wrong and is above all of us has spoken.
In any case you are completely wrong. It does not mean one player stop speaking rubbish.

It averages around 300k a year which is enough for Melbourne to say here is an extra 75k to each of their 4 superstars Cronk/Slater/Smith/Inglis. That would be enough to keep all 4 and it's a 75k advantage per player the other 15 clubs did not have.

 

[Huge]

Okay....I cannot help myself, I feel compelled to write a little extra !!

As you know I think I'm bright enough to know that no-one forces people to live away from home but here's the point. Imagine (extreme as this sounds ) that we had a team in the NRL from say,Iceland, bear with me, I'm simply trying to make the point relevant. The admin staff of the NRL (we've assumed the NRL wants a team there for business considerations ! ) realises the difficulties inherent to the task and therefore allow the club to spend significantly more money in their cap to allow this to happen. Each and every person in the organization comes from an external location so must be induced to relocate from home and kin so if they were not able to pay significant overs then they'd never field a team.

Okay, the example is extreme but if you allow it could, at least theoretically, happen then no-one would argue that it would be unfair for them to have a, in this case at least, a disproportionately high salary cap. Melbourne is not Iceland and although the common element is relocation and it's concomitant effects ,we would only be debating the size of the extra amount they would be allowed to spend.

In my opinion paying an extra 300,000 per season over what the other clubs spend is significant but hardly astronomical considering Melbourne has to have this discussion with every almost staff single member. Okay, perhaps not with staff from the lower rungs but almost certainly with every player and most senior staff.

 

[Coxy]

Okay....I cannot help myself, I feel compelled to write a little extra !!

As you know I think I'm bright enough to know that no-one forces people to live away from home but here's the point. Imagine (extreme as this sounds ) that we had a team in the NRL from say,Iceland, bear with me, I'm simply trying to make the point relevant. The admin staff of the NRL (we've assumed the NRL wants a team there for business considerations ! ) realises the difficulties inherent to the task and therefore allow the club to spend significantly more money in their cap to allow this to happen. Each and every person in the organization comes from an external location so must be induced to relocate from home and kin so if they were not able to pay significant overs then they'd never field a team.

Okay, the example is extreme but if you allow it could, at least theoretically, happen then no-one would argue that it would be unfair for them to have a, in this case at least, a disproportionately high salary cap. Melbourne is not Iceland and although the common element is relocation and it's concomitant effects ,we would only be debating the size of the extra amount they would be allowed to spend.

In my opinion paying an extra 300,000 per season over what the other clubs spend is significant but hardly astronomical considering Melbourne has to have this discussion with every almost staff single member. Okay, perhaps not with staff from the lower rungs but almost certainly with every player and most senior staff.

Totally and utterly agree with you.

BUT, the rules say you can't do it.

 

[Foordy]

Okay....I cannot help myself, I feel compelled to write a little extra !!

As you know I think I'm bright enough to know that no-one forces people to live away from home but here's the point. Imagine (extreme as this sounds ) that we had a team in the NRL from say,Iceland, bear with me, I'm simply trying to make the point relevant. The admin staff of the NRL (we've assumed the NRL wants a team there for business considerations ! ) realises the difficulties inherent to the task and therefore allow the club to spend significantly more money in their cap to allow this to happen. Each and every person in the organization comes from an external location so must be induced to relocate from home and kin so if they were not able to pay significant overs then they'd never field a team.

Okay, the example is extreme but if you allow it could, at least theoretically, happen then no-one would argue that it would be unfair for them to have a, in this case at least, a disproportionately high salary cap. Melbourne is not Iceland and although the common element is relocation and it's concomitant effects ,we would only be debating the size of the extra amount they would be allowed to spend.

In my opinion paying an extra 300,000 per season over what the other clubs spend is significant but hardly astronomical considering Melbourne has to have this discussion with every almost staff single member. Okay, perhaps not with staff from the lower rungs but almost certainly with every player and most senior staff.

mate personally, i don't think relocating to Melbourne is any different to relocating from Sydney to Brisbane or vice versa or Nth QLD to NSW or vice verso etc, etc.

 

[Huge]

Both the Rock and broncospnw cannot have read what I'd typed !!..in my post the words.. 'or overpaid the majority' followed my claim that it equated to one player...how can you get it so wrong ???

 

[Huge]

FOORDY...You missed the point....it IS NOT the same. It is similar but not the same..for all other clubs it affects no more than a few...for Melbourne its across the board ffs

 

[Meat77]

You missed the point....it IS NOT the same. It is similar but not the same..for all other clubs it affects no more than a few...for Melbourne its across the board ffs

Perhaps but the NRL don't give the Storm cap concessions like the AFL did (or still does) to teams such as the Swans therefore it's a moot point.

 

[Coxy]

You missed the point....it IS NOT the same. It is similar but not the same..for all other clubs it affects no more than a few...for Melbourne its across the board ffs

Perhaps but the NRL don't give the Storm cap concessions like the AFL did (or still does) to teams such as the Swans therefore it's a moot point.

EXACTLY!

Once again Huge is trying to excuse someone doing the wrong thing.

 

[Anonymous person]

Reading through this I'm convinced AP is doing what Rocky did in his "argument" that Todd Carney is a fullback - he's now in so deep into his own ridiculous position that he can't back out

lol

no im not. my argument is that its not fair to strip the premierships, and i might point out that i am nowhere near alone in that argument. thats the only thing im arguing, and im using the fact that other teams have breached the salary cap as well and gone on to win the premiership, but you all want to ignore that.

it doesnt matter if you are $10k over the salary cap or $1m over the salary cap - you cheated. you knowingly paid more for your players than you are allowed to pay. to anyone telling me that im wrong, or that i dont get it, answer these 3 questions:

1. in 2006, did the Broncos breach the salary cap?
2. in 2006, did the Broncos win the competition?
3. did the Broncos have their premiership stripped for winning the competition with a team that they MIGHT not have had if they had not breached the salary cap?

yes, what SOME of the melbourne admin did is downright deplorable, and i hope that someone (at least one person) goes to jail for it. i hope everyone who was knowingly involved is never allowed to go near another rugby league team ever again, or any other professional sports team. but to take away the premierships that the players worked so hard for, when in reality FOR SOME OF THOSE YEARS INCLUDING AT LEAST ONE MINOR PREMIERSHIP AND 1 PREMIERSHIP they were in all likelyhood only breaching the salary cap by as much as any other team in the competition has over the last few years, is just disgraceful on the NRLs part IMO.

and again, the broncos have breached the salary cap in 6 years of the last 10, as have most other teams. the only difference is the storm players have just had everything they worked for for HALF or MORE of their playing careers ripped away for something that they had no control of, and in reality as Huge pointed out, probably had little to no effect on the team that was put on the field.

the people that think im in a 'ridiculous position' are just the usual people who see what i write, misinterpret pretty much everything i write (the hilarious misinterpretations of me saying to scrap the voluntary tackle rule was an absolute joke), and then badger on and on and on about something i DIDNT say, while high fiving each other and saying that I dont know what im talking about, despite them having read 2+2=4 and interpreted it as 2+2 = banana cake.

oh here we have a TEXTBOOK example of what im saying about the same old people misinterpreting what i say lol:

Wow. Congratulations AP. Suggesting that the Broncos should lose their GF in 2006 for a "salary cap" breach, and your justification behind it, is by far, the dumnbest thing I have ever heard in my whole entire life at BroncosHQ.

IM NOT SUGGESTING THAT THE BRONCOS SHOULD LOSE THEIR PREMIERSHIP!!!!!

read what i said AGAIN, this time take the time to actually read the words that are there and ONLY the words that are there.

cheating is cheating. you could be 10k over the salary cap or 100k - either way, youre 'cheating'. the fact is that i would NEVER agree with a premiership being taken away from ANY team after the fact. its just not right. two teams took the field in the grand final, and regardless of IF the players wouldve been there or not had they not broken the salary cap, one team walks away from the grand final the winner and the other is the runner up. it happened, you cant just then come back 3 years later and say 'that doesnt count'.

did the broncos rort the salary cap in 2006? yes. this is 100% fact. the NRL fined them for it. should they lose their premiership? no. did melbourne rort the salary cap in 2007 and 2009? yes. should they lose their premiership? no. i wouldnt care if souths paid $800k each for 25 players and they won the premiership and THEN got caught - they won the premiership, its done. leave it at that, but then absolutely ream them.

honestly, i think the NRL needs to kick the Storm out of the competition for good, or at least for say 5 years as punishment. its not the fact that they cheated the salary cap, as basically half of the teams do this every year - its the way they went about it. it was downright despicable. and as much as it will hurt Rugby League overall, especially in Melbourne, most of that damage has already been done.

Coxy, im pretty disappointed that you cant see what im saying. i know that the broncos and the storm shouldnt have the same punishment, but im saying that both teams did cheat (to whatever degree) and that NEITHER should lose their premierships. taking premierships away is ridiculous, and if youre going to do it it needs to NOT be on a case by case basis, it should be 'if you go over the salary cap, you forfeit any premiership victories' - not 'if you go over the salary cap by amount X to amount Y you lose Z amount of points. if you go over by X to Y, but we dont catch you until a few years later, you lose a premiership and Z amount of points and have to pay back everything you won'. if they insist on taking premiership away - which i dont agree with - it needs to be plain as day, a line drawn in the sand: if you break the salary cap, you lose everything you won.

 

[Huge]

EXACTLY!

Once again Huge is trying to excuse someone doing the wrong thing.[/quote]

HUH ?? When did I defend a wrongdoer and that's pretty offensive Coxy...I have never defended wrongdoers but have ever only asked for balance.

Easy on the insult..I certainly have not provoked such an attack on my character. it's deeply offensive,