Storm for Wooden Spoon - Betting Suspended
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Bucking Beads
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draggx said:
you still have injuries and some players will leave because big money is there to be made and a fresh start might be needed.
- Mar 26, 2008
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draggx said:
For the most part yes, but it's a really good point you raise, because with discounts we would be losing even more of our developing talent . The same problems would still exist, who you keep and who you let go. I guess the thing that really changes is the club would have more choice and not have our hand forced as much.
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Dexter said:
they didn't release many rep players at all, the only player that they released that may have been on decent money was King. with Folau although he had played for QLD and Australia while at the Storm he wasn't on big money with them as they signed him to a 2 year deal before he played rep footy.
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Ghibli said:
I'm sure there are players who WANT to play for their club, but in the end, injuries can end your career in seconds, they need to look after themselves as well, but the way the Storm went about it was incredibly greedy.
Bannermania said:
But think about it, most kids grow up absolutely loving one club. Look at all of us, we range from teenagers through to baby boomers and we all love the Broncos and could never dream of supporting anyone else (except Sylve, AP and Queenslander, and the non-Broncos fans like yourself of course :P). They dream of playing for the Broncos.
Some of them get there.
So what happens to these kids that makes them decide to move on? What makes them decide to switch sports?
For some who never play for the Broncos I can see why. Ultimately they're league players and want to play at the highest level, so as a teenager you go where you're wanted. But what of the ones who make it into the club they've loved all their life?
Is it just adulthood? A realisation that to them it's a job? I simply couldn't imagine it (just as Ghibli can't) but clearly that must be it? Or is it outside influences? Managers talking them up and spruiking how much better they could do at another club/code? Is it family influences? Does playing for a club somewhat jade your love for it because it wears you down as you ride the success and failures?
It's interesting...but basically it just shows why fans have an altogether different sentiment to a club than its players.
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Coxy said:
It's the people around them who change their minds. It's a different game. When I played, the guys we were playing against we're being scouted by every club in the NRL, they were all there, scouting them, watching their moves, and these kids are barely 17.
You hand over a $200,000 a year contract to a 18 year old and he's going to want move. And player manager's have a huge influence on them. It's ridiculous.
Club loyalty becomes a massive issue with agents hanging around.. they have changed the whole scene. Players used to manage their own deals, now its about the best money, regardless of the team.
Loyalty has gone by the wayside a bit, yes.. but you will find some of the real club men will still was a massive chunk of that salary cap to retain their loyalty..
But times have changed. Too much money to young, if anything there should be a cap on money delivered and promised to players under 21.
Ill-informed generalising there from me there, fair enough!Dexter said:
I should have referred more to the number of rep-quality players alongside the "elite core" of the Storm, and their unfair ability to retain these, whereas most clubs lose many promising players even at junior level because they simply can't match the kind of coin they get offered.
The other huge advantage of paying illegal overs to keep that "elite core" together over a long period of time is they get the chance to know each others' game so well it's just ridiculous. Half the Storm's tries are mind-blowingly perfect, centimetre accuracy, perfectly timed kicks and runs etc. Sure the freak value of the players helps, but the illegally developed combinations are more the point - and this filters through to rep football too, which p*sses me off even more.
Coxy said:
But it is just a job. Sure when you are young you want to play for the club you support and that club only. But if you are lucky enough to be at the level where you are being scouted to be part of an NRL club it comes to the point where you have to put your support of a club to the side and realise that this is a golden opportunity to start a career as a footballer. It's the difference between being a fan and a player committed to reaching their goal. Sure some guys might want to have played for the Broncos (for example) their whole lives, but unfortunately there is the probability that the Broncos offering them a contract is often slim. Some clubs don't like certain players for whatever reason, build, athleticism, surplus at that position etc. and if a player is serious about making a career out of football they will go to the club that gives them the best opportunity to play at a high level and looks after their needs (study, jobs, money etc)
I think you're right (plus managers constantly reminding them they could do their ACL tomorrow and never be the same again, so take the best offer).
Which is why I think it's only a matter of time before more players start viewing Origin as a burden rather than a privilege. The pay for it isn't great (Webcke whinged about it years ago) and the toll the midweek games take on the players' bodies are massive.
It won't take long before players start saying "Sorry, don't want to play rep, I get paid better to play club". Hell, Jamie Lyon and Eric Grothe have said as much a couple of times already.
Which is why I think it's only a matter of time before more players start viewing Origin as a burden rather than a privilege. The pay for it isn't great (Webcke whinged about it years ago) and the toll the midweek games take on the players' bodies are massive.
It won't take long before players start saying "Sorry, don't want to play rep, I get paid better to play club". Hell, Jamie Lyon and Eric Grothe have said as much a couple of times already.
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The Storm deceived the public and acted in an under-handed way, no doubt about it. They paid nearly 5 million a season when other clubs were spending less ( we think ! ).......It's not the money though is it that made them what they are, afterall if it was the money then Parramatta would've been amazingly successful years ago when they bought a mere four players for 6 million bucks !!!!.... no.it's not the money that made Melbourne successful but the coaching and development.
Before the cap richer clubs could spend what they liked and they did but it in no way guaranteed success on the field. No matter what a team is paid ,money itself does not bestow extra ability on a player. The ability is either inherent or not.
It will be interesting if it's discovered that overpayment is endemic, should make for lively debate when these posters slagging off the Storm have to apply the same terms to a club they happen to admire.
Before the cap richer clubs could spend what they liked and they did but it in no way guaranteed success on the field. No matter what a team is paid ,money itself does not bestow extra ability on a player. The ability is either inherent or not.
It will be interesting if it's discovered that overpayment is endemic, should make for lively debate when these posters slagging off the Storm have to apply the same terms to a club they happen to admire.
Bucking Beads
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I do believe the Players should be getting 50k at least per origin game!!
Je$ter said:
+1. It would def relieve some of the cap pressure temas feel when they have a whole plethora of stars in the game.[/quote:12kb5nqh]
Then you'd have clubs who have no origin players, and their players are often overlooked for selection, complaining that they're disadvantaged.
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dont the players get something like 12k per origin match? fairly sure i remember reading something around that amount a few years back when they were saying they wanted more.
even if they get $10k, thats a possible $30k extra per year for 3 more games. i think thats more than enough.
even if they get $10k, thats a possible $30k extra per year for 3 more games. i think thats more than enough.
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