The Bomb

[Bannermania]

The FREQUENT use of chip kicks and weighted kicks inside the 20 recently piss me off so much.

Put up some big arse bombs, I want to see more clubs take chances inside the 20, makes it fun.

 

[Nashy]

[quote="Anonymous person":17j4snvv]anything that means wallace does less kicking is good in my books.

:roll: Wallace actually has a very good short kicking game, he's just out of form at the moment.[/quote:17j4snvv]

I appreciate that you seem to look for the best in every player. But having a few good games over a couple of seasons, does NOT make a player a good player, or a talented player.

Consistency is surely needed. And not consistently being shit.

 

[Anonymous person]

i dont care for 'solid' kicking games. i want GOOD kicking games.

apart from the odd kick here and there, wallaces kicking game is below-average to average at best.

and anyway - a short kicking game is only a small part of a kickers role. long kicking, and attacking kicking are MORE important. wallace has shown nothing in those departments. kicks down the throat of the winger/fullback every time, bombs far too deep and allows an uncontested mark by the fullback 99% of the time, often in the goals.

 

[Nashy]

Ap... you just took it out of context.

The context being, suiting Rocky's BS argument.

 

[Coxy]

i dont care for 'solid' kicking games. i want GOOD kicking games.

apart from the odd kick here and there, wallaces kicking game is below-average to average at best.

and anyway - a short kicking game is only a small part of a kickers role. long kicking, and attacking kicking are MORE important. wallace has shown nothing in those departments. kicks down the throat of the winger/fullback every time, bombs far too deep and allows an uncontested mark by the fullback 99% of the time, often in the goals.

Please provide a summary of all of Wallace's kicks and their result, demonstrating the 99% fullback marking statistic [icon_razz1

Look I'm one of his biggest critics, but even I'm not saying he's THAT bad. His kicking game IS solid and does come off more often than you're giving him credit for. But I do agree with you that he has to step it up a couple of levels to warrant the esteem he's held in by the club and a lot of the fans.

 

[Coxy]

I didn't say he was a solid kicker over-rall, I said he's a good kicker but even during a slump his short kicking form is still solid.

Wallace IS a good kicker. Since he's been there it's been his best attribute. Most of his short kicks ARE attacking kicks so not quite sure what you mean by what you said above. Inside the opposition 20-30, the timing of his kicks (bombs, grubbers, kicks in goals) are extremely accurate. Most of Winterstien's tries last year are a direct result of Wallace's boot. It's a shame they haven't done more kicks to Winterstien this year, he would have had more tries.

All I'm hearing from you AP is - "Wallace is shit. Shit kicking game, shit everything, can't do anything right, never should have bought him, etc etc". That's what is sounds like.

Obviously in the past 6 weeks his form has been well below par, we've all acknowledged that and Wallace must improve if we're a chance in the finals but God sake, give some credit where credit is due. You make him out like a completely useless halfback that shouldn't be in first grade, well you're wrong.

The argument I and ning in particular have been making is that his form has been well below par much more than "the past 6 weeks". I'd go as far as to say he's been below par all season, and yes I give him some special consideration for the fact he basically didn't get an offseason due to his ankle injury he suffered in he finals last year.

In the 8 weeks leading into the finals last year his form was at about the level I would expect from a chief playmaking halfback more often than not. Unfortunately prior to that, the previous 12-odd weeks were horrible from him (and yes, influenced as well by the form slump of the rest of the team in that period).

In 2008, his first 3 games were fantastic, then he was well below par for most of the season, again reviving around finals time.

If he can pick up his form again leading into the finals this year, wonderful, that's what we need from him. But unless he can find consistency next year, particularly midseason, then I would be asking serious questions about his tenure at the club. Especially if Lockyer is wanting to play on beyond 2011, and Ben Hunt continues to develop.

But again it's a thread about one thing becoming about Wallace...albeit linked intrinsically due to the halfback's role as an attacking kicker, and a bomb being part of that arsenal.

Wallace does have a good cross field kick when he's in form. He's given plenty of good ones to Folau in the past couple of seasons. He does have a tendency to kick it too deep, as does Lockyer (less frequently), or not high enough to give Folau enough time to get through the inevitable obstacle course the opposition creates for him these days.

 

[Coxy]

Yeah well it'd be nice if people acknowledged what I'd been saying about Wallace and not misinterpreting it as some emotional agenda against the guy, but you can only expect so much from the troglodytes on this forum, Rocky :P

 

[tkday]

Pot, Kettle Coxy, pot, kettle.

 

[Porthoz]

Yeah well it'd be nice if people acknowledged what I'd been saying about Wallace and not misinterpreting it as some emotional agenda against the guy, but you can only expect so much from the troglodytes on this forum, Rocky :P

From a troglodyte to a cromagnon...
You surely don't want me to quote some of your posts regarding Wallace here, do you? [icon_razz1

 

[Bannermania]

.. Should we just call this place Wallace HQ now? every fu*king thread turns out to be about this no-hoper. Getting a bit bored of it.

 

[Porthoz]

.. Should we just call this place Wallace HQ now? every fu*king thread turns out to be about this no-hoper. Getting a bit bored of it.

I gather you'd probably prefer it to be the Jono HQ forum... [icon_razz1

 

[Coxy]

Agreed totally. Don't know why Wallace gets brought up out of nowhere all the time.

As I said, in this case he is "on topic" to a degree, but yes, is getting boring.

Just as boring as people bringing up "agendas" when talking to/about me.

 

[Bannermania]

.. Should we just call this place Wallace HQ now? every fu*king thread turns out to be about this no-hoper. Getting a bit bored of it.

I gather you'd probably prefer it to be the Jono HQ forum... [icon_razz1

Absolutely.

 

[Anonymous person]

All I'm hearing from you AP is - "Wallace is shit. Shit kicking game, shit everything, can't do anything right, never should have bought him, etc etc". That's what is sounds like.

and all im hearing from you is - "Wallace is awesome. Awesome kicking game, awesome everything, can't do anything wrong, is our most valuable player, etc etc. He's just slightly out of form". That's what it sounds like to me. Week in week out you just keep saying 'hes down a bit in his form', 'he wasnt too bad, the rest of the team let him down', and the like - yet youre forgetting the fact that 'form' is considered to be what you usually play at, and Wallace USUALLY plays like this. hes played FAR more games of this quality level than he has at a higher one, so what we're seeing appears to be him 'in form'. i mean, even he says hes in career best form!

 

[Porthoz]

.. Should we just call this place Wallace HQ now? every fu*king thread turns out to be about this no-hoper. Getting a bit bored of it.

I gather you'd probably prefer it to be the Jono HQ forum... [icon_razz1

Absolutely.

Create one and go venerate him there! [icon_shru

 

[Nashy]

[quote="The Rock":iwzuq700]All I'm hearing from you AP is - "Wallace is shit. Shit kicking game, shit everything, can't do anything right, never should have bought him, etc etc". That's what is sounds like.

and all im hearing from you is - "Wallace is awesome. Awesome kicking game, awesome everything, can't do anything wrong, is our most valuable player, etc etc. He's just slightly out of form". That's what it sounds like to me. Week in week out you just keep saying 'hes down a bit in his form', 'he wasnt too bad, the rest of the team let him down', and the like - yet youre forgetting the fact that 'form' is considered to be what you usually play at, and Wallace USUALLY plays like this. hes played FAR more games of this quality level than he has at a higher one, so what we're seeing appears to be him 'in form'. i mean, even he says hes in career best form![/quote:iwzuq700]

It's a trend. Go have a look at what he has to say about Hayne too. [icon_lol1.

 

[Nashy]

You could also argue that the difference is that you hold onto past form, while AP can clearly see, with everyone, that a player is shit.

 

[Porthoz]

You could also argue that the difference is that you hold onto past form, while AP can clearly see, with everyone, that a player is shit.

[eusa_doh

Wallace is clearly not at his best, but even in his current form, I wouldn't trade him for anyone bar the Top 3 (Thurston, Prince, Cronk).
If he's shit, he's still floating, because the rest is already gone to the sewers... [icon_wink