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Actually, no **** that. That's a cop out BP.

Why shouldn't they be under scrutiny? If they didn't **** up some of the most basic shit, week in, week out, we wouldn't give a crap. You're talking as if people just default to the refs for blame, which comes with the territory of being a ref. Don't like it, **** off. If they can't handle it, **** off. If they can't do the job correctly, **** off.

I have a guy here who ***** up constantly. How are his fuckups ever going to be fixed by not telling him, and then pulling him over the coals when he continues to do it?
 
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Actually, no **** that. That's a cop out BP.

Why shouldn't they be under scrutiny? If they didn't **** up some of the most basic shit, week in, week out, we wouldn't give a crap. You're talking as if people just default to the refs for blame, which comes with the territory of being a ref. Don't like it, **** off. If they can't handle it, **** off. If they can't do the job correctly, **** off.

I have a guy here who ***** up constantly. How are his fuckups ever going to be fixed by not telling him, and then pulling him over the coals when he continues to do it?
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On top of that they aren't even allowed to be scrutinized by anyone except us anymore. The coaches get fines and the captain is rarely allowed to talk to them anymore. Whats the use of having a captain anymore? Running them out is the only benefit they get these days.
 
There's nothing wrong with them being under scrutiny.

As I said, it's the level of scrutiny they're under that's the problem.

You've got too many people weighing in, with all their different agendas who want the ref to control the game this way, that way and at the end of the day it just leads to mediocre performances and fan dissatisfaction.

They need more support and more protection too.
 
I'm going to side with BP here, in the heat of the moment I have a go at refs as much as anyone but holy shit do they have a tough job where all their mistakes get discussed endlessly and any errors magnified to the extremes whereas they're rarely congratulated for a good performance.

I think they could be a lot better, but I don't think embarassing them into action is the most effective way to go about things, ultimately they do a thankless job and while I can appreciate fans of the game bagging them out, I think the administration of the game need to be positive and supportive of them, consult with them regularly and work as a unit to improve the officiating for a more consistent end result.

Why are certain plays interpreted so differently between different refs? To me this screams a lack of clear communications and guidelines to the refs behind the scenes.
 
I know how tough a refs job can be sometimes ... I have been one myself (though not in rugby league, which i imagine is harder).

but i feel that the standard has been dropping every year, i think it really started to deteriorate around the time the 2 ref system came in.

I also believe that there are some quality refs running around in the ISC, but unfortuanely they aren't considered for the NRL, i read a few years ago that for a ref to get an NRL match they had to relocate to Sydney and i personally think thats wrong. I know for a fact that soccer, for example, has refs located in different states, and they have trainning set up in those states for the refs to attend.

That to me is another case of the NRL being too Sydney-centric, they need to get over that, rugby league is not just played in Sydney anymore and not every person that plays or officiates the sport want to live in Sydney. The N in NRL doesn't stand for NSW.

If they want the best refs to ref the top grade, they need to consider them regardless of where they live. so that means setting up some sort of system to consider QLD based referees.
 
They don't deserve congratulations from us for doing their job right. Its their job!

Let their boss say they are doing well.

If they want to command that sort of respect from the fans, the refs, and NRL have to start listening instead of brushing it off because the NSWRL say it's fine.

Cummins is a perfect example. How can he still be playing this weekend? How? Its a fucking load of shit and just proves 100% that the ref bosses and NRL do not give two *****.
 
As for protection. How could they get more. Sin binned for doing NOTHING and he doesn't even get stood down a week.

I don't know how the NRL could send a better message that no matter what you do, you keep your job.

The fact the entire officiating team from last week isnt stood down is a disgrace.
 
Yes, that was a poor decision and I disagree vehemently with the way the referees handled Cummins.

What about all the drama ahead of an Origin game? Where both sides assert as much pressure as possible to ensure they get the rub of the green from the officials?

Or the coaches trying to place all the focus on the referees than their teams sub-standard performance?

Or the commentators preaching about interpretations that aren't even apart of the fabric of the game?

Stuff like that needs to be nipped in the bud.

Fans need to remember too that reffing is an art-form. In a lot of cases, the refs are grilled for calls that were merely 50/50 (eg. Burgess strip)
 
Can't cop that.

We expect our football players to drown out the noise around them. They know it's part of being "famous".

Why can't the refs do it?

The fact that they allow outside influences to play a part in their games, it tells me that they shouldn't be a ref. Of any sport.

Up the pay, make it desirable to be a ref. Increase the standards of refs by around 1400% and hold them accountable. You want this money? Don't be a useless prick.
 
Fans will still find a reason to complain.

The problem is that there are obviously issues with the current system and they SHOULD listen to certain criticisms. The problem is, the loudest criticisms come from those who really don't have a clue or have their own agendas and it just hurts the game.

Reffing is also more of an art-form. You know when a player is playing well because there are universal KPIs.

With reffing, everyone has their own preferred system.

Again, I'm not saying that they can't cop any scrutiny, but the media will find any and all reasons to blame the refs and it's getting ridiculous.
 
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Course they will. But at least it wouldn't be quite as much complaining.

When it comes down to it. Its the fault of the soft NRL management.
 
@Big Pete

I admit I ref bash, I will continue to so.

I can handle that they make mistakes, but some of them are bell ringers & it has you shaking your head in disbelief on how they came up with a decision. And no it's not just the Broncos games that I have bitched about a refs decision.

We have refs who interpret the rules differently in a single round. We even have refs in the same game interpret the rules differently.

This to me is unacceptable. The refs are ruining the game.

Yes years ago refs were just as bad if not worse, but they didn't have all the technology they have these days.
 
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