The Gillett Sin Bin

[Broncoman]

This is in my opinion the worst refereeing season in this millennium, and with the available technology, that is simply not good enough.

This is the exact reason why I've been on a crusade against referees for the last couple of years or so.

I completely understand that the refs are humans and not perfect machines so there will be slipups every now and then and how hard it is to referee a game but to make such garbage basic decisions like last Friday when they are supposed to be the best refs in the country is just crossing the line and pathetic. Even the video refs get it wrong these days as well. Video refs have no excuse whatsoever for getting any decision wrong.

 

[Huge]

and you saw different did you, than the rest of the crowd watching the game? You saw and have remembered all these mistakes...hey?

I doubt it.

Classic paranoia ! The you is the collective you, the one which includes me and everyone who watched the game back in the day. Way to misinterpret .

 

[jarro65]

No question the reffing is at an all-time low quality wise.

Why that is ... who knows ??

If we listen to the NRL, the refs have the best of everything to help them get prepared each week .... so we can't use that as an excuse.

I think it's more a case of the ridiculous rules that they have to try and enforce .... too much grey area for mine which leaves every ruling open to a different interpretation from ref to ref.

We need to look at the rules.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Classic paranoia ! The you is the collective you, the one which includes me and everyone who watched the game back in the day. Way to misinterpret .

heh heh heh ......yeah I re-read that last night and realised I'd read it wrong the first time.

Hmmm, well this is awkward......I was hoping you'd let it go, but since you haven't

get fucked.

 

[Mr Fourex]

This is in my opinion the worst refereeing season in this millennium, and with the available technology, that is simply not good enough.

FWIW, I think the NFL has got it right, with a head referee, a number of assistants, 2 challenges (they get a third if both are proven right), TD's are always reviewed, and in the last 2 minutes of each half, the "video ref" can also challenge a ref's decision.
The head referee has a "video booth" where he can check the available images and is the only one who can rule on the maintaining or reversing of the decision.

Yes, I know that having each try reviewed can be a pain, and the NFL is obviously much more suited to this due to all it's stoppages, but the system works (except for that period in 2012 where the professional refs went on strike, and you truly saw the difference between them and the park footy ones).
While there are always controversial decisions, you barely ever see major game defining stuff-ups... they will mostly be 50/50's some people will whine about, or some obscure interpretation of their complex rules.

I think we need to go back to a single head referee system, and none of this control ref BS, with a number of assistants to help him out and 2 captain's challenges. The players will almost always really know what happened, and they won't want to waste the precious challenges on BS stuff, but only about what is worth arguing.

The only problem with all that is the NFL system with all it's stoppages, is in stark contrast with what RL fans seem to want. A fast paced game.

 

[john1420]

This is in my opinion the worst refereeing season in this millennium, and with the available technology, that is simply not good enough.

FWIW, I think the NFL has got it right, with a head referee, a number of assistants, 2 challenges (they get a third if both are proven right), TD's are always reviewed, and in the last 2 minutes of each half, the "video ref" can also challenge a ref's decision.
The head referee has a "video booth" where he can check the available images and is the only one who can rule on the maintaining or reversing of the decision.

Yes, I know that having each try reviewed can be a pain, and the NFL is obviously much more suited to this due to all it's stoppages, but the system works (except for that period in 2012 where the professional refs went on strike, and you truly saw the difference between them and the park footy ones).
While there are always controversial decisions, you barely ever see major game defining stuff-ups... they will mostly be 50/50's some people will whine about, or some obscure interpretation of their complex rules.

I think we need to go back to a single head referee system, and none of this control ref BS, with a number of assistants to help him out and 2 captain's challenges. The players will almost always really know what happened, and they won't want to waste the precious challenges on BS stuff, but only about what is worth arguing.

Doesn't sound bad to me at all, but the bold bit worries me

I've never understood the idea that rules should change depending on what time it is

If a video ref can overturn the field ref, that should be allowed the whole game, not just the last 2 mins

Otherwise, I like what they do

 

[john1420]

I'm going to cop some crap for this, but I'd like to give the refs a positive wrap

Now I know they get stuff wrong, and sometimes they are pearlers, but I have lost count of the number of times an on field ref has made a call of stripped or knock on or whatever, and I've not agreed with it, just to see the replay and have the ref proven right

The number of on field calls they get right amazes me; under pressure, full speed, sometimes running, a dozen things to look at all at the same time, but they will correctly call whose hand was on the ball first, etc.

What I have no tolerance for at all, is a video ref with 16 slo mo replays making a blinder

 

[Nashy]

Their job is to get all of it right. Giving them praise for the few calls that they are trained to make, and making them correctly, isn't enough for me unfortunately.

I'm a plane nerd, so I'll use that profession. Would you praise a pilot who did everything perfect up until he crashed upon landing?

 

[Porthoz]

Their job is to get all of it right. Giving them praise for the few calls that they are trained to make, and making them correctly, isn't enough for me unfortunately.

I'm a plane nerd, so I'll use that profession. Would you praise a pilot who did everything perfect up until he crashed upon landing?

Can we not talk about plane crashes today? :shocked:

 

[Nashy]

Can we not talk about plane crashes today? :shocked:

Method to my madness mate.

 

[john1420]

Their job is to get all of it right. Giving them praise for the few calls that they are trained to make, and making them correctly, isn't enough for me unfortunately.

I'm a plane nerd, so I'll use that profession. Would you praise a pilot who did everything perfect up until he crashed upon landing?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's all good and nothing needs fixing

It does need to improve

Just saying that they get a lot of stuff right, stuff that many of us couldn't

As for your plane/pilot example, we are not talking about plane crashes and death here thankfully

Criticizing people for what they get wrong without acknowledging what they get right is a recipe for disaster in any field

 

[Nashy]

When you make cockups like these refs do, and as constantly as these refs do, in any other field, you'd be sacked.

 

[broncos4life]

When you make cockups like these refs do, and as constantly as these refs do, in any other field, you'd be sacked.

Nashy is 100% right.

People probably don't point out every little thing they get right cos most of it is pretty straight forward stuff and pales in comparison to their fuckups and what their fuckups cost other people.

As Nashy says it wouldn't be tolerated in any other field.

It's like your boss coming in and saying "well you just lost the company another multi-million dollar account, but hey snazzy tie... keep up the good work"

 

[jarro65]

When you make ****ups like these refs do, and as constantly as these refs do, in any other field, you'd be sacked.

Agreed.

We're a laughing stock when it comes to onfield (and off field) officiating.

Time to lift our game.

 

[jarro65]

Nashy is 100% right.

People probably don't point out every little thing they get right cos most of it is pretty straight forward stuff and pales in comparison to their ****ups and what their ****ups cost other people.

As Nashy says it wouldn't be tolerated in any other field.

It's like your boss coming in and saying "well you just lost the company another multi-million dollar account, but hey snazzy tie... keep up the good work"

Alan Joyce ???

 

[Foordy]

Alan Joyce ???

There's an exception to every rule

 

[Big Pete]

Agreed with john.

Nobody sits around and really takes note of a referee's performance unless they've had a shocker and even then it's not like a database is kept where these performances are graded.

People just stick with the same old rhetoric of 'god damn referees'

And that's the way it's been since 1908.

Like I said, improvements should be made but at the same time, I feel like one of the biggest problem is the level of scrutiny they're under. Too many external pressures interfering with them reffing a game.

 

[Nashy]

Imagine the cockups if they weren't constantly copping it for the mistakes.