The Gillett Sin Bin

[ivanhungryjak]

OK, so what is the rule for being off-side at a tap?

A Bronco critic (yes, they are out there) said to me that even though they got the Gillett call wrong, it was still a penalty anyway because Thaiday was off-side at the tap. Can he be run on-side?

Thoughts?

 

[Cult]

OK, so what is the rule for being off-side at a tap?

A Bronco critic (yes, they are out there) said to me that even though they got the Gillett call wrong, it was still a penalty anyway because Thaiday was off-side at the tap. Can he be run on-side?

Thoughts?

Well, if all 13 players are offside and there is a quick tap, is that team not entitled to make the tackle after the attacking team has already run 10 metres? I'm sure they are without it resulting in a penalty, as it has happened a hundred times this year.

 

[mitch222]

OK, so what is the rule for being off-side at a tap?

A Bronco critic (yes, they are out there) said to me that even though they got the Gillett call wrong, it was still a penalty anyway because Thaiday was off-side at the tap. Can he be run on-side?

Thoughts?

Marshall ran 45 metres down the field. He put every broncos player on side. It wasn't even a penalty

 

[ivanhungryjak]

Well, if all 13 players are offside and there is a quick tap, is that team not entitled to make the tackle after the attacking team has already run 10 metres? I'm sure they are without it resulting in a penalty, as it has happened a hundred times this year.

Yeah, that's the way I see it. I haven't got time to google but apparently there's something in the rules about excluding taps from the run-onside law???

 

[Super Freak]

OK, so what is the rule for being off-side at a tap?

A Bronco critic (yes, they are out there) said to me that even though they got the Gillett call wrong, it was still a penalty anyway because Thaiday was off-side at the tap. Can he be run on-side?

Thoughts?

It wasn't a penalty. This is the offside rule.

An offside player is placed onside if:

(a) an opponent moves ten metres or more with the
ball.

(b) an opponent touches the ball without retaining it.

(c) one of his own team in possession of the ball
runs in front of him.

(d) one of his own team kicks or knocks the ball
forward and takes up a position in front of him in
the field of play.

(e) he retires behind the point where the ball was last
touched by one of his own team.

It applies to taps, as well.

I believe the only time an offside player can't be run onside is when they are offside at the time of the play the ball.

For example, Australia had a try denied against USA when DCE scored because he was offside at the time of the play the ball.

 

[Broncoman]

3 referees?

Bloody hell I would prefer the good old days with just the 1 on field ref, 2 touchies and the bloke in the box. There was still some howlers every now and then but not to the extent of today.

Dave Smith has NFI

 

[ivanhungryjak]

Players who are out of play at a play-the-ball (Section 11), a scrum (Section 12), a kick off or drop-out (Section 8) a penalty kick (Section 13) or a free kick (Section 13) are not put “onside” in the manner described in para 3 above. (See appropriate Sections).

This is the only bit that is unclear. It is in the notes of the 2014 NRL Rules on page 36.

http://www.sportingpulse.com/get_file.cgi?id=2925244

 

[broncos4life]

OK, so what is the rule for being off-side at a tap?

A Bronco critic (yes, they are out there) said to me that even though they got the Gillett call wrong, it was still a penalty anyway because Thaiday was off-side at the tap. Can he be run on-side?

Thoughts?

Once the person with the ball has run 10+ metres everyone is onside. Your bronco critic friend is wrong, you should encourage him to become a ref... he seems well qualified

 

[subsbligh]

Next year

5 minute sin bin (or earlier if the other team scores) for:

(a) professional foul
(b) dissent - swearing at refs - provided a reasonable warning given first
(c) fighting/niggling/unsportsmanlike conduct - cool your heals
(d) dangerous tackles put on report.

Some other variations:

(a) Instead of 5 minute sin-bin, 10 minute sin bin, but teams can opt to interchange for sin binned player (but who cannot return to the field for 10 minutes).
(b) Have a compulsory interchange (CI) as an alternative for lesser offences - so CI, 10 min SB or send off. That means you'd have to burn two interchanges to get the player back in the game, or if you've run out too bad.
(c) One punch rule removed - self-defence/provocation as limiting factor - using Ennis v Reynolds as example, fair result is probably both players CI'd.
(d) Instead of a fixed time, make it a number of sets (e.g. 4 sets of six/4 turnovers).
(e) Yellow/Red card system - yellow means a warning but no time off the pitch, red is straight send off

 

[theshed]

The more simple solution is have a sin bin for refs. Make a bad enough call and they have to sit on the effected teams bench with a dunces cap on for 10 minutes.

 

[CaptainHook]

I disagree with this ...

1 extra tackle vs 10 mins with 12 men.

1 extra tackle is far easier to defend than being doown a player for 10 whole mins.

I agree. I was thinking more in terms of the impact - the Sharks ended up scoring from that tackle. Should the Cowboys have held out one more tackle? Probably but they shouldn't have been put in that position.

I believe if the Cowboys did stop the Sharks from scoring on that set and gone on to win, Chechin wouldn't have been dropped. The NRL would've spun it so that the call, which was a clanger, did not impact the result. Same deal with Cummins. If Brisbane lose, the outcry would have been a lot louder. Impossible to ignore as our season would be over and the NRL would need to act.

For the record, I don't agree with it and think it's a disgusting way to run a professional code. Forgive me if I'm drawing a long bow but I see a similar thing with the judiciary. Dangerous tackles that result in a serious injury get punished more heavily than even more dangerous lifting tackles in cases where the player gets straight back up and plays on. It's disgusting!!

 

[Huge]

3 referees?

Bloody hell I would prefer the good old days with just the 1 on field ref, 2 touchies and the bloke in the box. There was still some howlers every now and then but not to the extent of today.

Dave Smith has NFI

All due respect old mate, you weren't around in the 'good old days' and cannot possibly know. I however was and the good old days had at least ten times the howlers of the game today. Incorrect calls littered the game, I should know as I was actually there to see them in the flesh, in person and at the scene of the crime. It is light years better these days ,the difference is staggering . Thinking it was better back in the day is absolutely and totally ludicrous . The reason it seems that things are not so rosey now is technology . Nowadays we can see blades of grass from 150 metres, back then it was shadows and blurs if any vision was available at all. What so few around here seem to grasp is how many right( correct) decisions are made. Banging on about a few wrong ones is so far off base but believing the good old days were better is like saying things were so much better during the dark ages when the world was flat and Earth was the centre of the Universe !

 

[Mr Fourex]

3 referees?

Bloody hell I would prefer the good old days with just the 1 on field ref, 2 touchies and the bloke in the box. There was still some howlers every now and then but not to the extent of today.

Dave Smith has NFI

I like the way you've punctuated that comment with a slur on David Smith. You're right Bman...he has NFI.

I would like to see,

1 on field referee
2 sideline officials

and 3 video referees.

Max number of replays, 3. So they get to watch it 3 times and then vote. The refs on field decision must be conclusively disproven to be overturned.

 

[Organix]

The more simple solution is have a sin bin for refs. Make a bad enough call and they have to sit on the effected teams bench with a dunces cap on for 10 minutes.

Classic!

 

[Broncoman]

All due respect old mate, you weren't around in the 'good old days' and cannot possibly know. I however was and the good old days had at least ten times the howlers of the game today. Incorrect calls littered the game, I should know as I was actually there to see them in the flesh, in person and at the scene of the crime. It is light years better these days ,the difference is staggering . Thinking it was better back in the day is absolutely and totally ludicrous . The reason it seems that things are not so rosey now is technology . Nowadays we can see blades of grass from 150 metres, back then it was shadows and blurs if any vision was available at all. What so few around here seem to grasp is how many right( correct) decisions are made. Banging on about a few wrong ones is so far off base but believing the good old days were better is like saying things were so much better during the dark ages when the world was flat and Earth was the centre of the Universe !

I was referring to 1999-2008 which were my first 9 years of watching Rugby League before the 2 ref rule came in. When I look back I feel it was far from perfect as there was some stupid calls but I can't remember this many stupid calls in any of those seasons. I just turned 14 when the 2 refs came in so I may be a bit naïve.

 

[Huge]

Fair enough bman but in 1999 you were what? About 4 years old, right ? Really, a person would not really have much of a view of refereeing standards until they reached their mid teens I'd guess so any memories of the good old days would have to come from old video.....and what's around now would likely be highlights and not the all too common lowlights ! Trust an old man on this one, today's refs are light years better and get 99 % of the decisions right unlike the good old days when it was a stellar season when they got 75% right. Most of the refs were so fucked after 15 minutes they used to blow penalties just to get their breath back !!!!

 

[Cult]

Fair enough bman but in 1999 you were what? About 4 years old, right ? Really, a person would not really have much of a view of refereeing standards until they reached their mid teens I'd guess so any memories of the good old days would have to come from old video.....and what's around now would likely be highlights and not the all too common lowlights ! Trust an old man on this one, today's refs are light years better and get 99 % of the decisions right unlike the good old days when it was a stellar season when they got 75% right. Most of the refs were so fucked after 15 minutes they used to blow penalties just to get their breath back !!!!

In this day of Youtube, DVDs and Fox Sports Showing a bazillion old school games, it's quite easy for someone to have an opinion on the evolution of officiating though. This year in particular, some of the biggest howlers have happened, even according to those old men in commentary box. The reffing in Origin was one of the worst I've seen this year (I'm 23 but I've seen every game like 5 times). But they have had shit nights in the past. It was consistently bad this year. I think the 2 different refs cause a difference in opinion and they're tentative to pull some things up, or to call anything because the other ref is in charge of that particular part or whatever.

The reffing this year has been terrible. Worse than last year, worse than the year before. There is definitely something wrong with the current system.

 

[Huge]

The reffing this year has been terrible. Worse than last year, worse than the year before. There is definitely something wrong with the current system.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough ! Entitled to your view. I agree there has been some poor ones this year but the Gilette sin bin wasn't the worst one in history. It has been the refs failing to act rather than their actions that really have been terrible. Players left on the field for spear tackles and tripping ! Truthfully, in my opinion I don't think things have worsened but clangers continue to occur. The refs have never had such scrutiny and never has there been such detailed surveillance of every tackle,run or play. With my heart I believe they get far more right, a fact which shamefully is never highlighted. It is so like a newspaper, endless bad stories and **** all good ones. It's the endless dwelling on the errors that make it seem as though it's all doom and gloom, just like the newspapers.