The Gillett Sin Bin

morethenjack said:
So did something actually happen to cummins? Or are we all just going to forget about that ****?
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I'm a bit late to this party but will add my thoughts:

I don't mind Ben Cummins and think he's one of the better referees. Was impressed with his performance in the 2013 Origin decider. I doubt he'll be stood down mainly due to the fact that the Broncos got the victory in the end. It's now something that can be swept under the rug like everything else.

The 7th tackle fiasco last year was worse than the Gillett call. Honestly though, I reckon if the Cowboys had managed to escape with the win, Chechin would have been retained for the finals.

I don't really like it as it's important that the right calls are made regardless of the result but that's how the NRL deal with things. A bit of a shambles.
 
CaptainHook said:
I'm a bit late to this party but will add my thoughts:

I don't mind Ben Cummins and think he's one of the better referees. Was impressed with his performance in the 2013 Origin decider. I doubt he'll be stood down mainly due to the fact that the Broncos got the victory in the end. It's now something that can be swept under the rug like everything else.
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Yeah, I don't think Cummins is as bad as some of the other refs right now. That decision was the worst of the year though.
 
CaptainHook said:
I'm a bit late to this party but will add my thoughts:

I don't mind Ben Cummins and think he's one of the better referees. Was impressed with his performance in the 2013 Origin decider. I doubt he'll be stood down mainly due to the fact that the Broncos got the victory in the end. It's now something that can be swept under the rug like everything else.

The 7th tackle fiasco last year was worse than the Gillett call. Honestly though, I reckon if the Cowboys had managed to escape with the win, Chechin would have been retained for the finals.

I don't really like it as it's important that the right calls are made regardless of the result but that's how the NRL deal with things. A bit of a shambles.
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I disagree with this ...

1 extra tackle vs 10 mins with 12 men.

1 extra tackle is far easier to defend than being doown a player for 10 whole mins.
 
Foordy said:
I disagree with this ...

1 extra tackle vs 10 mins with 12 men.

1 extra tackle is far easier to defend than being doown a player for 10 whole mins.
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Yep. It's quite possible for a team to score 3 tries when you have 13 against 12 for 10 minutes which is a long time at this level.
 
According to Lara Pitt, Ben Cummins will be retained for this week.

Gordie and Matty both defended the decision.
 
Big Pete said:
According to Lara Pitt, Ben Cummins will be retained for this week.

Gordie and Matty both defended the decision.
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could you imagine the outcry if had have happened to say the Roosters or Souths or the Bulldogs.

we wouldn't see Cummins for the rest of the year
 
Big Pete said:
According to Lara Pitt, Ben Cummins will be retained for this week.

Gordie and Matty both defended the decision.
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I know no one has ever accused Gordie of being a member of Mensa, but dead set he doesn't even make sense these days.

Tried to defend it by saying that there was another 79 minutes that the broncos conceded those tries, yet says under his breath that they occured while gillett was sin binned.

I can't help but feel if cummins did this to any other team he would be dropped and this would have been a much bigger deal
 
As someone once said, it is my duty as a human being to be pissed off.
 
Morkel said:
I definitely believe that there is a subtle agenda to make the games more of a contest. It's precisely what a CEO would do if he wants to artificially add excitement, while having absolutely no clue of the fabric of the game. The refs wouldn't even need it to be explained as a "let the losing team get the better calls". They'd simply give a directive that if one team is getting ahead, make sure it is not due to pushing the boundaries of the rules, and if there are discretions that would normally be let go, make sure they're pulled up.
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I agree. I don't know who got it in their head that penalty counts should be even. So long as it's consistent refereeing, then it's perfectly logical that one team can be a lot less disciplined than another, resulting in more penalties to the opposition. More talented teams should be winning without being hampered by the referees letting shit teams play catch-up. So long as both teams are fairly treated, penalise the same things, but that doesn't mean it has to be the same amount of times. As always there's some grey area, but it's become way too obvious in recent years. Even commentators are referring to the 'square-ups' teams are getting.

I feel that we get more penalties that we shouldn't really get but only occasionally get ones we should get, which opens us up to other teams and their fans screaming 'ref's fault'. We also get a pretty rough go when it comes to defensive video ref decisions
 
I'm guessing the refs are playing catch up when the game is almost out of reach to stop teams like the Roosters and Manly from whinging after a few penalties go against them. Their whinging doesn't exactly make the game look great. Look at Toovey's blow up. "There needs to be an investigation" is everyones new favourite rugby league quote. So many people have seen the video and it makes the NRL look bad.
 
Guess we'll receive confirmation later today but it appears that Cummins only punishment is that instead of reffing a 'prime-time' game, he'll have to ref a Fox Sports game.

The excuse they're going to use is that Shane Hayne is already injured so they cannot do without another senior ref.

Which in my opinion is absolute horse manure. Archer should be sending his referees the message that errors like that won't be tolerated and should be sending Cummins on NYC duty for the rest of the year.
 
Big Pete said:
Guess we'll receive confirmation later today but it appears that Cummins only punishment is that instead of reffing a 'prime-time' game, he'll have to ref a Fox Sports game.

The excuse they're going to use is that Shane Hayne is already injured so they cannot do without another senior ref.

Which in my opinion is absolute horse manure. Archer should be sending his referees the message that errors like that won't be tolerated and should be sending Cummins on NYC duty for the rest of the year.
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Apparently archer doesn't like dropping referees because he doesn't want to hurt their confidence.

Is he for real? How are we stuck with this halfwit as refs coach. It's a joke, the whole game is a joke at the moment and I've pretty much had enough

Serious question here - what is it going to take for the NRL to start taking things seriously?
 
They cannot ignore the criticisms much longer, I suspect we'll see the referees scaled back to 1 heading into 2015 and we may see a captain's challenge system introduced.

Right now, there isn't a whole lot more they can do other than send their referees a message by dumping Cummins for his howler.

The fact the Broncos won in spite of his efforts shouldn't exonerated him.

I'm still struggling to understand his thought process...clearly he was on auto-pilot but the only justification I could have seen for him was that he felt that when Marshall offloaded the ball, a Broncos player got a touch on it, ruling Gillett off-side. That could have been the only logical excuse and even then, he didn't nothing to exhibit that thought process nor was it the correct call.

Chances are, we'll end up with Klein and we'll cop some BS call he made up on the spot.
 
broncos4life said:
Apparently archer doesn't like dropping referees because he doesn't want to hurt their confidence.

Is he for real? How are we stuck with this halfwit as refs coach. It's a joke, the whole game is a joke at the moment and I've pretty much had enough

Serious question here - what is it going to take for the NRL to start taking things seriously?
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Probably a call like that against the Bulldogs ... Greenberg will admit there is a problem then ...
 
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