The Gillett Sin Bin
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benandfaith
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The only reason I can come up with for Cummin's clanger is not what most have assumed.
I think Cummins wasn't ruling offside from the quick tap by Marshall, but that he somehow mistakenly thought that Marshall had been completely tackled up the field (and had a quick play-the-ball) when in fact Marshall had only been partially tackled and offloaded.
In this situation, Gillet running back was blatantly offside and so was binned.
I see this as much more of a possibility than Cummin's completely getting the offside rule wrong.
Thoughts?
The only reason I can come up with for Cummin's clanger is not what most have assumed.
I think Cummins wasn't ruling offside from the quick tap by Marshall, but that he somehow mistakenly thought that Marshall had been completely tackled up the field (and had a quick play-the-ball) when in fact Marshall had only been partially tackled and offloaded.
In this situation, Gillet running back was blatantly offside and so was binned.
I see this as much more of a possibility than Cummin's completely getting the offside rule wrong.
Thoughts?
That's probably correct. Either way it was a howler and merely emphasises why we need a captain's challenge.
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I don't believe it for one second.
Cummins was looking directly at Marshall the whole time he had the ball, he was right there when Marshall had the ball. There is no way he could have thought he was tackled and if he did, why didn't he call 1st tackle?
Cummins was following the play the whole time, Marshall offloads to Widdop who then passes it to Beale. Beale is then tackled by Gillett who was coming from behind him. Gillett was out of sight of Cummins the whole time, so Cummins assumed he was offside because he came from behind and you know the rest.
That is more of a possibility than the other theory.
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Mister Wright
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I think he went into auto pilot as soon as the tackle was made. The player tackled was 20m behind the original player who made the tap. Refs thinking "gotta be offside, professional foul, sin bin". Still doesn't excuse the decision.
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I'd like to see someone with much more care than I, do a run down of all of the terrible game changing decisions that have been made this year.
I really have my doubts about this game, as I've stated. But there hae been some terrible calls in the game this year, and it just seems like the refs are doing it on purpose to get the game close.
I mean, this is all about entertainment now days isn't it? Fans want close games, refs can make that happen. It just seems to happen too often, and some of them, like last night, are so completely blatantly wrong that it isn't funny.
I don't understand, fucking rules or not, and from what I understand there were NRl executives in the crowd also questioning things, why on earth not one official, be that on field, in the box, or any of the NRL staff on the sidelines can allow that decision to stand.
How? I don't understand, and to be completely honest, I don't expect the NRL to help me understand. That decision should have been taken out of his hands when he stopped listening to Reed and Gillett. The video ref should have been in his ear saying to reverse the decision immediately.
If it's against the rules, the video ref should have been saying that he's rather cop the flak for breaking that rule than the rule that has just forced a player off the field for no reason.
Parker looked absolutely wild standing on the sideline as he came off.
I mean come on. You have fans of every fucking team backing this as the worst call they've ever seen. That means it must have been pretty bad if even the scummiest of clubs are sticking up for the Broncos.
I really have my doubts about this game, as I've stated. But there hae been some terrible calls in the game this year, and it just seems like the refs are doing it on purpose to get the game close.
I mean, this is all about entertainment now days isn't it? Fans want close games, refs can make that happen. It just seems to happen too often, and some of them, like last night, are so completely blatantly wrong that it isn't funny.
I don't understand, fucking rules or not, and from what I understand there were NRl executives in the crowd also questioning things, why on earth not one official, be that on field, in the box, or any of the NRL staff on the sidelines can allow that decision to stand.
How? I don't understand, and to be completely honest, I don't expect the NRL to help me understand. That decision should have been taken out of his hands when he stopped listening to Reed and Gillett. The video ref should have been in his ear saying to reverse the decision immediately.
If it's against the rules, the video ref should have been saying that he's rather cop the flak for breaking that rule than the rule that has just forced a player off the field for no reason.
Parker looked absolutely wild standing on the sideline as he came off.
I mean come on. You have fans of every fucking team backing this as the worst call they've ever seen. That means it must have been pretty bad if even the scummiest of clubs are sticking up for the Broncos.
broncos4life
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I actually think that makes a lot of sense and hadn't thought of it that way. Cummins is still completely wrong but that makes more sense.
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But it doesn't, for the reason in the post by Mister Wright. If anything, IMO it shows that he's even more incompetent. How can he allow the break, the run up field, the next tackle to be completed, before he calls a penalty?
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Shocking call on it's own, but it was preceded by a string of soft penalties, and followed by two dubious tries (one via forward pass, one via knock on). Makes it even harder to swallow.
Will be watching for the NRL's response.
Will be watching for the NRL's response.
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I request a copy of this letter be posted on BHQ.
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YOU'RE OFF YA HEAD!!!!
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Rein? He's pressing for the penalty and the sin bin. His reaction probably had a large part in Cummins making the call in the first place.
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Yeah, but if you watch it. It pushed for penalty, then Reed comes in blowing up, and the Dragons guys seem to calm down, then the binning happens.
I dunno, I'm probably reading into it. It was bullshit.
- Mar 5, 2008
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You should have seen the letter I wrote to David Smith.
I won't get a reply. ****, I'm probably banned from any NRL event.
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I'm pretty sure Cummins had the sin bin signal up with his hands before he even awarded the penalty. I couldn't believe it.
I've just seen the replay again, and he's watching the play the whole time. Must be short of a few kernels.
I've just seen the replay again, and he's watching the play the whole time. Must be short of a few kernels.
- Jun 12, 2013
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Not sure whether Cummins was allowed to reverse his decision, but I would have done it anyway. I'd rather be stood down the following week for doing the right thing, rather than a howler like that.
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I haven't watched a replay but I could have sworn i heard someone yell out "bin him?" "Yeah" or something like that. But clear enough for it to have been two refs discussing it immediately after the tackle, not just stray Dragons players.
