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[The Brizz]

Lockyer is in the Guardiola or Rijkaard ball park, excellent players that exceeded in making their collective shine, and what a coincidence, are very good young coaches.

PREACH!

 

[Porthoz]

How about, how to manage people? It's totally different being a captain and teammate to being a manager, which is effectively what a coach is.

Players who rush into coaching invariably struggle to manage the various egos and talents in their team.

And you think he's going to learn that as an assistant coach? How is an assistant coach more of a manager than a team captain? I fail to see any benefit in going through that process.
Yes, he will greatly profit from guidance and support, especially from a man like Benny, but he already has the respect and reverence from most of his colleagues, which is the most difficult thing to achieve as a fresh coach. Running around making sure the players stay hydrated isn’t of any added value IMO.

The assistant coach position is one of two things: An apprenticeship for newcomers or the end point for people without the talent, brain or ability to be a head coach.
It’s where Henjak belongs for example.

It's not easy to manage people that were once your colleagues, but it's not that hard either. As long as the line in the sand is clearly visible to everyone. And I believe Locky is able to put the line where everyone can see it.
Otherwise, might as well just forget about giving people promotions, and always get an outsider to do a job that a guy with 10 or 15 years of experience would do much better.

A good head coach requires leadership, charisma and a smart footy brain. Lockyer has all of them in spades!

 

[Foordy]

the problem is coaching players that were past team mates never works out well.

 

[simmo77]

If we want to somehow keep the broncos connection in coaching why don't we have Kevvie come back as head coach with Locky under him for three years and Benny as director of coaching.

 

[Coxy]

How about, how to manage people? It's totally different being a captain and teammate to being a manager, which is effectively what a coach is.

Players who rush into coaching invariably struggle to manage the various egos and talents in their team.

And you think he's going to learn that as an assistant coach? How is an assistant coach more of a manager than a team captain? I fail to see any benefit in going through that process.
Yes, he will greatly profit from guidance and support, especially from a man like Benny, but he already has the respect and reverence from most of his colleagues, which is the most difficult thing to achieve as a fresh coach. Running around making sure the players stay hydrated isn’t of any added value IMO.

The assistant coach position is one of two things: An apprenticeship for newcomers or the end point for people without the talent, brain or ability to be a head coach.
It’s where Henjak belongs for example.

It's not easy to manage people that were once your colleagues, but it's not that hard either. As long as the line in the sand is clearly visible to everyone. And I believe Locky is able to put the line where everyone can see it.
Otherwise, might as well just forget about giving people promotions, and always get an outsider to do a job that a guy with 10 or 15 years of experience would do much better.

A good head coach requires leadership, charisma and a smart footy brain. Lockyer has all of them in spades!

I don't think you have a real grasp of how different coaching is to playing, nor the much more expanded role Assistant Coach plays these days.

If Locky was going to go straight into coaching it'd want to be with a junior team or a lower division team. He should not walk into a first grade gig.

 

[OXY-351]

Reasons why I believe he can be real good:

- He is the greatest player of the modern age, and has a thinking footy brain. He knows the game inside and out!
- He is articulate (despite his voice) and actually capable of stringing sentences together. More seriously, I like his ability to succinctly analyse a game and point out what went wrong and/or right, generally with a high degree of accuracy, which IMO indicates a sound analytical ability as well as a clever mind.
- He has learned most of the tricks of the trade under the greatest coach of all (well, at last in the top 20, right AP?).
- He is respected by most in the RL community, has had the leadership as a captain of the group for a while, and has generally a calm demeanour, which makes me believe he wouldn’t struggle to move from a “colleague” to a supervisory position.

Yeah, reminds me a bit of Wally Lewis

 

[QUEENSLANDER]

ive asked before, and coxy was the only one to even answer i think, but what makes everyone think that lockyer will be this great coach? serious question. he is probably the best player of his generation, but we havent seen any inkling of any coaching skill etc. seems to me that a lot of ppl are counting their chickens before they hatch

His leadership skills are just outstanding. And judging by his speeches when accepting trophies for Premierships, Origin etc, I think he would be a good motivator as well.

However, I don't want him thrown in the ring straight away after he retires ala Lewis, Fittler and Brown.

I will turn that question around Queenslander, and ask you why you doubt he would be a good coach?

Who said i doubt he would be a good coach? I dont have an opinion on whether he would or not, because we have absolutely nothing substantial to base any opinion on yet.

 

[Coxy]

This I agree with Queenslander. He certainly looks like he has the attributes that would make a good coach, but we won't possibly know that until he tries his hand in that arena.

But as Jeb said, last thing he'd want is to be given the Broncos first grade job as a rookie with no coaching experience at all. That'd be suicide for any coaching career he may wish to have.

It didn't work for Nathan Brown. It hasn't worked for Michael Voss. It won't work for Darren Lockyer.

 

[Anonymous person]

ive asked before, and coxy was the only one to even answer i think, but what makes everyone think that lockyer will be this great coach? serious question. he is probably the best player of his generation, but we havent seen any inkling of any coaching skill etc. seems to me that a lot of ppl are counting their chickens before they hatch

His leadership skills are just outstanding. And judging by his speeches when accepting trophies for Premierships, Origin etc, I think he would be a good motivator as well.

However, I don't want him thrown in the ring straight away after he retires ala Lewis, Fittler and Brown.

I will turn that question around Queenslander, and ask you why you doubt he would be a good coach?

where did Queenslander even remotely say that he doubts he'll be a good coach? he asked why everyone thinks he'll be a great coach when there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that he will, or that he even WANTS to coach. if you cant see the difference in that, theres another thing wrong with you.

its like someone asking a religious nut 'how do you know god exists?' and the religious nut then turning around and saying 'how could you say god doesnt exist!?!?!?'. asking for evidence isnt the same as doubting.

i also question why people think Lockyer will be our coach. leadership ON THE FIELD is great, but it doesnt mean you will be a leader off the field. being decently spoken doesnt mean youre a good motivator. just because hes a great footballer doesnt mean that he can teach other people how to be great footballers. if you asked Usain Bolt how he runs so fast, he'd probably say 'i just do' - just because hes the fastest man on the planet doesnt mean he can teach others to be too. it can just mean hes really fast. likewise with Lockyer - hes just a great player, and very talented at rugby league. we dont know if he can teach others how to be the same.

personally i want Henjak to get at least another 3 years before we go looking elsewhere, unless of course someone like Bellamy became available.

 

[Porthoz]

This I agree with Queenslander. He certainly looks like he has the attributes that would make a good coach, but we won't possibly know that until he tries his hand in that arena.

But as Jeb said, last thing he'd want is to be given the Broncos first grade job as a rookie with no coaching experience at all. That'd be suicide for any coaching career he may wish to have.

It didn't work for Nathan Brown. It hasn't worked for Michael Voss. It won't work for Darren Lockyer.

It worked for Guardiola at one of, if not the most demanding coaching gig in the world. [icon_wink

Of course we'll only know for sure in hindsight, which is an easy perspective to opiniate from.
I agree it's a risk and as far as I'm concerned, it's a leap of faith, but with the proper support and mentoring, and more importantly given who's in charge now, only a small one!

I've only ever coached kids, so I'm not going to pretend I know what it's like to coach at the highest level, be it as an assistant or head coach, but I know what it's like to move into a position where you suddenly are leading the people you use to be colleagues with. Seriously, it's not that huge a deal...

I'd take the gamble with Locky if we can get Benny to mentor and support him.

 

[Dexter]

Comparing IH to WB is a little unfair after only 2 years but if we compare them properly you have to consider that WB didn't start getting real results until he made a hard call and let Wally go.

IH maybe in a similar situation with Locky, being such a huge influence on the field and probably the idol of most of the playing group it could be that Ivan can't coach the way he really wants.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Comparing IH to WB is a little unfair after only 2 years but if we compare them properly you have to consider that WB didn't start getting real results until he made a hard call and let Wally go.

IH maybe in a similar situation with Locky, being such a huge influence on the field and probably the idol of most of the playing group it could be that Ivan can't coach the way he really wants.

Difference is when we let go of Wally we had Langer already here. If Locky goes who have we got?? Wallace LOL LOL

 

[Dexter]

That's right beads but the point was it may be hard for Ivan to stamp his own mark on the team with a player of Lockys standing there.

 

[Jeba]

ive asked before, and coxy was the only one to even answer i think, but what makes everyone think that lockyer will be this great coach? serious question. he is probably the best player of his generation, but we havent seen any inkling of any coaching skill etc. seems to me that a lot of ppl are counting their chickens before they hatch

His leadership skills are just outstanding. And judging by his speeches when accepting trophies for Premierships, Origin etc, I think he would be a good motivator as well.

However, I don't want him thrown in the ring straight away after he retires ala Lewis, Fittler and Brown.

I will turn that question around Queenslander, and ask you why you doubt he would be a good coach?

Who said i doubt he would be a good coach? I dont have an opinion on whether he would or not, because we have absolutely nothing substantial to base any opinion on yet.

Ah fair enough mate. Didn't read your post correctly, sorry about that.

 

[Nashy]

He needs to wait until all his "mates" are retired and gone, start off with a fresh bunch of people who don't know him, or could offend by being their manager.

 

[Foordy]

He needs to wait until all his "mates" are retired and gone, start off with a fresh bunch of people who don't know him, or could offend by being their manager.

i agree, i think that will be a better fit. he would still have the aura of being Lockyer surrounding him, and he will still command the respect he deserves, by he won't have to order his former team mates and possibly have to drop his mates.

 

[Porthoz]

He needs to wait until all his "mates" are retired and gone, start off with a fresh bunch of people who don't know him, or could offend by being their manager.

See, I don't get this...

The players are highly paid professionals. They have no reason to be offended, as long as their are treated with respect, whether it's a former mate or a brand new coach. Why they should be treated with silk gloves is beyond me. [icon_shru

I mean seriously, should Lockyer really wait 15 years or so until the likes of Yow Yeh, Hunt and McCullough retire?

 

[Kimlo]

He needs to wait until all his "mates" are retired and gone, start off with a fresh bunch of people who don't know him, or could offend by being their manager.

See, I don't get this...

The players are highly paid professionals. They have no reason to be offended, as long as their are treated with respect, whether it's a former mate or a brand new coach.

In theory....