The Timeline

[Raw Boned Youngster]

Henjak has kept his job because no coach of any repute would sign for one year ( 2011 ).

That is all that is left until Darren becomes coach and Wayne becomes Director of Football in 2012.

 

[Aeetee]

That was the plan but me thinks his wifes parents will have something to say about that, check the tea leaves and see if they indicate a stint up north first.

 

[Ffs...]

Hmm, they'd best hurry the hell up and have a plan for post Lockyer then.

 

[Bucking Beads]

LOL, Lockyer wouldn't retire and coach the next year just sounds insane. Would surely have a year of at least then do some assistant work.

 

[QUEENSLANDER]

ive asked before, and coxy was the only one to even answer i think, but what makes everyone think that lockyer will be this great coach? serious question. he is probably the best player of his generation, but we havent seen any inkling of any coaching skill etc. seems to me that a lot of ppl are counting their chickens before they hatch

 

[Big Pete]

The idea only seemed to of come up because 'Wayne Bennett said so'.

 

[Professor47]

Does he even want to coach?

I mean personally - If I was in his shoes I'd wan't a life away from footy after I retire for a bit you know? Sit in the stands and be a fan for a change. Enjoy life. Esp since he's been playing since 95/96? Oooft. I wouldn't want to jump straight in if I was him.

 

[Porthoz]

Reasons why I believe he can be real good:

- He is the greatest player of the modern age, and has a thinking footy brain. He knows the game inside and out!
- He is articulate (despite his voice) and actually capable of stringing sentences together. More seriously, I like his ability to succinctly analyse a game and point out what went wrong and/or right, generally with a high degree of accuracy, which IMO indicates a sound analytical ability as well as a clever mind.
- He has learned most of the tricks of the trade under the greatest coach of all (well, at last in the top 20, right AP?).
- He is respected by most in the RL community, has had the leadership as a captain of the group for a while, and has generally a calm demeanour, which makes me believe he wouldn’t struggle to move from a “colleague” to a supervisory position.

 

[Raw Boned Youngster]

I didn't say or suggest he would be a great or even good coach.

I said it because I think it is heading that way - Wayne's caginess seems to support something is up. It has that Nathan Brown and Brad Fittler feel to it - the looking after the 'favourite son' thing.

Fittler had the turtle and Darren will have the Wayne train - he will have a mentor.

The other thing that makes me think it will happen is the 'keeping it in the club and fill from within' attitude.

I believe the only reason that Henjak wasn't axed is because of the timeline... hence the post.
No one would want the job for a year.

 

[Jeba]

ive asked before, and coxy was the only one to even answer i think, but what makes everyone think that lockyer will be this great coach? serious question. he is probably the best player of his generation, but we havent seen any inkling of any coaching skill etc. seems to me that a lot of ppl are counting their chickens before they hatch

His leadership skills are just outstanding. And judging by his speeches when accepting trophies for Premierships, Origin etc, I think he would be a good motivator as well.

However, I don't want him thrown in the ring straight away after he retires ala Lewis, Fittler and Brown.

I will turn that question around Queenslander, and ask you why you doubt he would be a good coach?

 

[Bucking Beads]

Love your work jeb I was thinkimg the same thing

 

[Flutterby]

My 2 cents on the Lockyer coaching thing. I am leaning more towards that I don't think his great playing abilities will translate to being a great coach.

History (across pretty much all sports, not just RL) tells us that the greatest players generally do not make great (or often even good) coaches. Also think about the greatest coaches in sport - most of them were never the best players, they were usually very good, solid players, but not great.

I have thought and researched a lot about this over the years and believe the reason the great players don't translate into great coaches is that their playing abilities and ability to read the play etc is so innate and natural that they find it pretty near impossible to communicate to others how to do similar things. They don't know what it is like to not be able to do these great things, so they are able to coach it. If something comes so naturally and easily to you, you simply cannot understand how others just can't get it, you can't break it down to teach it to others and it becomes extremely frustrating trying to do so.

That's just my thoughts - Locky may be the one to prove me wrong.

But also I hope he doesn't feel compelled or pressured to coach. And I also hope he doesn't go pretty much straight from playing to coaching. He needs to get experience at a lower grade level (and probably completely away from the Broncos environment)

 

[Bucking Beads]

We dont even know if locky wants to be a coach. I think he will be an assistant coach for maroons and possibly part time at broncos if he wants the job

 

[Porthoz]

My 2 cents on the Lockyer coaching thing. I am leaning more towards that I don't think his great playing abilities will translate to being a great coach.

History (across pretty much all sports, not just RL) tells us that the greatest players generally do not make great (or often even good) coaches. Also think about the greatest coaches in sport - most of them were never the best players, they were usually very good, solid players, but not great.

I have thought and researched a lot about this over the years and believe the reason the great players don't translate into great coaches is that their playing abilities and ability to read the play etc is so innate and natural that they find it pretty near impossible to communicate to others how to do similar things. They don't know what it is like to not be able to do these great things, so they are able to coach it. If something comes so naturally and easily to you, you simply cannot understand how others just can't get it, you can't break it down to teach it to others and it becomes extremely frustrating trying to do so.

That's just my thoughts - Locky may be the one to prove me wrong.

But also I hope he doesn't feel compelled or pressured to coach. And I also hope he doesn't go pretty much straight from playing to coaching. He needs to get experience at a lower grade level (and probably completely away from the Broncos environment)

That is a very good and valid point you make, but of the greats you are talking about, most were brilliant and talented individuals, often without 2 brain cells properly connected (Fittler, Maradona for example).

Lockyer brilliance is his leadership, ability to steer a team around the park and make the team look fantastic. Lockyer is in the Guardiola or Rijkaard ball park, excellent players that exceeded in making their collective shine, and what a coincidence, are very good young coaches.

One thing I don’t understand is this idea that Lockyer first has to serve an apprenticeship as an assistant coach. What do people expect him to learn then, that he hasn’t already?
Under the guidance/mentoring of Wayne, I believe he will be a success.

 

[Coxy]

[quote="audragon"
One thing I don’t understand is this idea that Lockyer first has to serve an apprenticeship as an assistant coach. What do people expect him to learn then, that he hasn’t already?
Under the guidance/mentoring of Wayne, I believe he will be a success.[/quote]

How about, how to manage people? It's totally different being a captain and teammate to being a manager, which is effectively what a coach is.

Players who rush into coaching invariably struggle to manage the various egos and talents in their team.

 

[Bucking Beads]

[quote="audragon"
One thing I don’t understand is this idea that Lockyer first has to serve an apprenticeship as an assistant coach. What do people expect him to learn then, that he hasn’t already?
Under the guidance/mentoring of Wayne, I believe he will be a success.

How about, how to manage people? It's totally different being a captain and teammate to being a manager, which is effectively what a coach is.

Players who rush into coaching invariably struggle to manage the various egos and talents in their team.[/quote]

For instance Michael Voss who is coach of the Brisbane Lions.. Different sport but Vossy was the Lions Lockyer.

 

[Flutterby]

Yep and this is especially true of players who go straight into coaching the club they just finished playing with.

A coach does (and needs to) have a different relationships with the players than a fellow player - even the captain. Going from team-mate to head coach in a matter of months is not at all conducive to good relationships / results.

 

[Flutterby]

Yep - I've been in that position where I got promoted to a position of direct management over my former equal level colleagues. It was bloody difficult.