Third Party Agreements

[papabear]

I understand that people are worried that having Bird/Milford in the halves is too similar to Milford/Hunt in attack but our defence would be much better and hopefully Milford can develop into a better a halfback than Hunt.

Is it just me, or doesnt this signing make it look like milford is on the outer.

Maybe bennett is looking for someone a bit cheaper like adam reynolds who would fit into a team better with bird at 5/8 and you could end up with nsw's halves...

 

[papabear]

You do realise that the Broncos destroyed the NSWRL and replaced it with the NRL?

I do, my club was a big part of that too.

But it is not my intention to come on here and list what the broncos have done for and against rugby league, I would leave that sort of thing to LU.

 

[johnny plath]

Please tell me that the majority of broncos fans accept the common knowledge that TPAs are mostly organised through the clubs and only available whilst the player is at that club.

Again google jarryd haynes TPA and what the guy who organised that would do if he left the GC.

But if you want to go against common rugby league knowledge and suggest that tpa's are available to players the same regardless of club, how about you prove your point with your special sources.

Honestly.

I get that the guy is a broncos fan, and I get that you guys hate the moderating on the gh, but when people are so naive and flat out wrong, why do you join the chorus of wrongness instead of just owning up to the truth. WHEN THE TRUTH BENEFITS YOUR CLUB???

Not that you care, but you dont have any integrity.


Google Jarryd Haynes sponsor, I am pretty sure I watched the bloke on tv (or read it) cant remember, saying how his sponsorship would be in doubt if he left the tits. If the TPA is completely independent of the club, why would he care who he is playing for.

I get the argument you are making here but I think your example is wrong. I'm pretty sure you'll find that this is an example of a TPA that IS organised by the club. All clubs are allowed to do this up to a limit of 300k I think. So in this case this particular TPA is clearly linked to the Titans, and is allowed under the salary cap rules. So in this example, if Hayne leaves he would lose this TPA. This has nothing to do with any illegal TPA arrangement that people accuse the broncos of.

 

[Astro]

Apparently we signed a TPA.. I mean Jack Bird.

 

[papabear]

I get the argument you are making here but I think your example is wrong. I'm pretty sure you'll find that this is an example of a TPA that IS organised by the club. All clubs are allowed to do this up to a limit of 300k I think. So in this case this particular TPA is clearly linked to the Titans, and is allowed under the salary cap rules. So in this example, if Hayne leaves he would lose this TPA. This has nothing to do with any illegal TPA arrangement that people accuse the broncos of.

If you are right, thank you for pointing that out.

It would make sense, as I was surprised about how open that conversation was.

 

[Mortician]

I do, my club was a big part of that too.

But it is not my intention to come on here and list what the broncos have done for and against rugby league, I would leave that sort of thing to LU.

Well then you would understand what was meant by NSWRL mentality, maybe it should have been written as NSWanker mentality to make it clearer.

 

[johnny plath]

Thank you for your kind words

I think the raiders have improved dramatically at getting TPAs with stuart.

I think TPAs are organised by the club and the broncs are the best at this, as they are the best at getting crowds to games.

Lost of people agree with me on this, and some have just walked away because people like simmons flame them for having the most obvious of opinions because they dont like it.


Obviously everyones doing it

I guess the counter to this in the Broncos case... If we have 6million dollars advantage over other clubs through TPAs(according to Gus Gould and other band wagon media) why the **** did we not have Smith playing hooker, and Cronk at half with Thurston 5/8. You think those three would not be here with an additional 2million per year on the salarys. I know there feelings were hurt because they were overlooked as unproven teenagers, but wouldn't a couple of million a season help ease the pain. Why have we had bog average players like Hoffman Copely Moga Reed Steve Michaels and David Stagg FFS stinking up our centres. Why have we had a mediocre forward pack for a decade when we could have bought the Australian pack with brown bag payments. Why have we had a hooker that has taken 200 games to finally look like a top level NRL hooker. Seriously what evidence supports the claims of our TPA bankroll. All bar three maybe four of our starting team last night are developed by us and debuted with the Broncos. The others apart from Milford are outcasts - Blair was crap at Tigers and they payed for someone to take him, Roberts was unwanted because too much trouble, and ffs Moga. This pattern has been ongoing since the Broncos last premiership. The evidence just doesn't match the outrage, and all the tin foil hats can come up with is the Broncos are shit because they should win every year with this unprecedented advantage over every other team. Why did the Broncos suffer the Henjak and Griffin period when we could have easily bought Bellamy or Hasler, or whatever other coach was seen as the best in the NRL. It doesn't make sense, and nor does this crazy outburst over Jack Bird. It does my fucking head.

 

[broncos4life]

I do not care if you are not convinced. The Jarryd Hayne is a good example because a bit of it has been played out in the papers.

Most TPAs for every club would be organised by the club, your club and you should be proud of it, imo has the capacity to organise more then any other club.

If you believe another club is more professional and better at getting more money to players through TPAs I welcome your suggestion.

But as for the verification you ask for you cant verify it either way unless you break into the nrls servers and post the list of the tpas and you can make a further detailed opinion from there.

Oddly enough my brothers a massive broncos fan and he does not have an issue supporting them and there TPAs like you seem to. You seem to be ashamed of it?

Whilst the rules are as they are, I hope ricky gets as many TPAs as he can. He certainly has improved that for us, as has been reported.

If you dont want to be referred to as a homer. Dont be a homer.
If you dont want me to refer to you as a biased mong, try being less biased.

You're whole argument here is ridiculous. You have been asked to back up your claims against the Broncos and your 'evidence' is Jarryd Hayne.

It makes about as much sense as me going onto your forum and claiming all raiders players are drug cheats. Then when you respond with justifiable outrage, I point you to an article on the peptide scandal at the Sharks.

 

[papabear]

I guess the counter to this in the Broncos case... If we have 6million dollars advantage over other clubs through TPAs(according to Gus Gould and other band wagon media) why the **** did we not have Smith playing hooker, and Cronk at half with Thurston 5/8. You think those three would not be here with an additional 2million per year on the salarys. I know there feelings were hurt because they were overlooked as unproven teenagers, but wouldn't a couple of million a season help ease the pain. Why have we had bog average players like Hoffman Copely Moga Reed Steve Michaels and David Stagg FFS stinking up our centres. Why have we had a mediocre forward pack for a decade when we could have bought the Australian pack with brown bag payments. Why have we had a hooker that has taken 200 games to finally look like a top level NRL hooker. Seriously what evidence supports the claims of our TPA bankroll. All bar three maybe four of our starting team last night are developed by us and debuted with the Broncos. The others apart from Milford are outcasts - Blair was crap at Tigers and they payed for someone to take him, Roberts was unwanted because too much trouble, and ffs Moga. This pattern has been ongoing since the Broncos last premiership. The evidence just doesn't match the outrage, and all the tin foil hats can come up with is the Broncos are shit because they should win every year with this unprecedented advantage over every other team. Why did the Broncos suffer the Henjak and Griffin period when we could have easily bought Bellamy or Hasler, or whatever other coach was seen as the best in the NRL. It doesn't make sense, and nor does this crazy outburst over Jack Bird. It does my fucking head.

Good counter argument.

But a few things, even without bennett you guys made a prelim with Griffin, in 2011, you came 3rd on 40 competition points and won 2 finals matches being downed by the premiers, in fact his first year wasnt that far off waynes first year, it was just a different finals setup.

I think your TPA advantage of 6m is not 6 clear on top, I am sure the bottom teams could muster a mill or 2 or 3. Obviously though those numbers are just my estimates and unless the NRL publishes TPAs you, me no one will know the total amounts.

SO the actual advantage you have is far far less then 6m. Thus you are not in a position to buy ALL of the best players, you still have to make good choices, look at the brooklyn nets, they ran a salary cap through the roof and got a pretty good team but certainly not contenders or what they paid for.

Someone told me blair was better then Boyd and Paulo, and blair would have only his final year of his tigers contract being 2015 paid by the tigers if any, certainly not 16 and 17. Obviously I like boyd and paulo a lot more then blair, blair is ok a good hard defender, but imo he is not as hard hitting as nigel plum and you are right probably not on big money, again despite the moron who thought everyones value is determined by rep selections.

For the record, I am not outraged, I just pointed out Brisbanes TPA advantage.

As for why the broncos didnt pick up a better coach, well I read on here its because you guys treated bellamy like shit. In any event TPAs dont really impact coach signings as staff payments arent under the cap or tpas.

As for your average players, all clubs make mistakes and keep wrongs ones sometimes and let good ones go, see nikorimas brothers and milford. Though, I think you are being harsh on hoffman he was very good for you guys when he was there and jack reed was the best defensive centre in the game imo. I would have taken him at canberra whilst he was playing no hesitation as I am sure most other clubs would.

With Roberts, I thought I read GC wanted to resign him and other clubs were also trying to sign him. But by that point canberra had better centres imo so I was fine, and also he has a face someone needs to punch.

When bellamy retires from the broncos, you guys, imo will still have a tpa advantage and if you use it ok, you will go ok.

 

[papabear]

Well then you would understand what was meant by NSWRL mentality, maybe it should have been written as NSWanker mentality to make it clearer.

I trust that post made you feel better!! Glad I could be of service.

 

[Morkel]

nswrl mentality? you do realize the broncos come from the nswrl not the brl.

honestly I do not feel hard done by, as i said I prefer bird at the broncos then the sharks.. we were not in competition with you guys. At the raiders, my only thoughts are whether we should be in the market for a more mobile strong tackling middle, sort of like josh mcguire but obviously a lot cheaper.

Also maybe a back up edge player in case one of our centres / wingers go down, like say a david mead type signing.

I dislike the sharks quite strongly.

I have consistently said the broncos are run well and they utilize to their advantage TPAs very well. My club is improving on that aspect and my football mind is happier for it.

ftr I agree with your comments re TPA's but I am not sure you speak for everyone. Fifitas last negotiation is a good example re what happened with the dogs, I think I read somewhere they upped his TPA amount and downed his cap amount, compared to what was promised, so he didnt sign with the dogs.

No mate, NSWRL mentality. Like "this is our game and you came in and were better at it so there must be a reason why because it's not fair, sook sook sook". When in reality, we just do the job better. The NRL is still the NSWRL because the joint is still run by people who are just way out of their depth. With the TV rights deal (you can thank the Broncos' popularity for that) they're like dumbshit cashed up bogans. Too much money to know what to do with so they go and buy a new Porsche (Bunker), bragging to all their "mates" about it's technology and purpose-built engineering. And then treat it just like their XD Falcon, so within 2 months the steering wheel is covered in Maccas grease, its gearbox is rooted from towing 4 jetskis to the Jindalee boat ramp every Saturday morning, and its rims are scratched and dented from smacking gutters while doing laps in the Ipswich city centre for 5 hours every Friday and Saturday night while half cut.

The thing with external TPA's is they may be unlimited and may be external from the cap, but they still have to be declared to and passed as legitimate by the NRL. That means that they have to present genuine value to the Third Party, and it must not be on the condition that the player plays for a particular club. This is the ruling that the Rabbitohs got busted with when trying to sign Inglis for $190k under the cap - and it was found that $460k of his TPA's were either for bogus deals or were dependent on his playing for Souths.

 

[papabear]

No mate, NSWRL mentality. Like "this is our game and you came in and were better at it so there must be a reason why because it's not fair, sook sook sook". When in reality, we just do the job better. The NRL is still the NSWRL because the joint is still run by people who are just way out of their depth. With the TV rights deal (you can thank the Broncos' popularity for that) they're like dumbshit cashed up bogans. Too much money to know what to do with so they go and buy a new Porsche (Bunker), bragging to all their "mates" about it's technology and purpose-built engineering. And then treat it just like their XD Falcon, so within 2 months the steering wheel is covered in Maccas grease, its gearbox is rooted from towing 4 jetskis to the Jindalee boat ramp every Saturday morning, and its rims are scratched and dented from smacking gutters while doing laps in the Ipswich city centre for 5 hours every Friday and Saturday night while half cut.

The thing with external TPA's is they may be unlimited and may be external from the cap, but they still have to be declared to and passed as legitimate by the NRL. That means that they have to present genuine value to the Third Party, and it must not be on the condition that the player plays for a particular club. This is the ruling that the Rabbitohs got busted with when trying to sign Inglis for $190k under the cap - and it was found that $460k of his TPA's were either for bogus deals or were dependent on his playing for Souths.

Lol I never knew you were so insecure about the broncos place in the world.

 

[pagey]

Is it just me, or doesnt this signing make it look like milford is on the outer.

Maybe bennett is looking for someone a bit cheaper like adam reynolds who would fit into a team better with bird at 5/8 and you could end up with nsw's halves...

Haha thats funny ! your funny !!! ...

 

[mitch222]

Lol I never knew you were so insecure about the broncos place in the world.

I'll tell you what's insecure, raiders fans thinking papalli is better than the best second rower in the world matt gillett

 

[Morkel]

Lol I never knew you were so insecure about the broncos place in the world.

Um, who's the butthurt guy that has come on to a rival's site to troll? We know what this is all about. It's the same niggle that a pissweak player does when they know the game is lost so just want to antagonise.

 

[Cult]

He'd probably get along with you as well, considering you're both morons.

Gillett is a better player than Papalii overall, you should include all stats if you're going to compare them @papabear, including defensive ones. Gillett makes 40 tackles per game, Papalii makes 25 per game. Have you stopped to consider that maybe if Gillett hid on defence like Papalii did that he'd have more energy and opportunities in attack? Luckily he's not a selfish player and doesn't care about things like that, he plays exactly the way we need him to.

Do you have some stats to back up how similar we are? I'm actually a little astounded that you've come to your own conclusion without some out of context stats to attempt to prove your point.

 

[ZTop]

I'm sure you are aware but I was annoyed that people were turning every thread into a Hunt whinge-fest. What's the issue with me pointing out your flaws in every thread?

Stop this arguing, We don't want to end up like LU or zerotackle

 

[papabear]

Um, who's the butthurt guy that has come on to a rival's site to troll? We know what this is all about. It's the same niggle that a pissweak player does when they know the game is lost so just want to antagonise.

If you say so ;)