-NEWS- Walters: roster is pretty much sorted

theshed

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100% agree with your concerns about oates' defence, and agree about his fantastic line running.
Smart teams will isolate him with an inside and/or outside runner beside them, especially if he defends inside or outside a half or poor defender. His decision making and lateral speed concern me and will be exploited unless he responds well early.
I think Oates would be best utilised with short stints off the bench. Running hard, good lines at tired defenders and then removed before he tires and starts making defensive or handling errors. Then ideally he ships out in 2022 unless he is proving to be an irreplaceable entity.
 

kooly87

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If this is honestly our completed roster then I don't really see how Kevvie is even able to have a judgement made on his abilities as a Coach.

We've given him what can only be described charitably as a 'worse' roster than the one Seibold just took to the wooden spoon last year, breaking a host of worst ever Bronco records along the way. If Kevvie manages anything better than that then you'd have to argue he deserves a massive pass.

The people responsible for putting the club in this predicament honestly shouldn't be allowed to step foot inside Red Hill ever again. In fact, they're probably lucky this isn't the Brisbane of the 1970s/1980s or they'd probably be in danger of being lynched in the streets.
 

Huge

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If this is honestly our completed roster then I don't really see how Kevvie is even able to have a judgement made on his abilities as a Coach.

We've given him what can only be described charitably as a 'worse' roster than the one Seibold just took to the wooden spoon last year, breaking a host of worst ever Bronco records along the way. If Kevvie manages anything better than that then you'd have to argue he deserves a massive pass.

The people responsible for putting the club in this predicament honestly shouldn't be allowed to step foot inside Red Hill ever again. In fact, they're probably lucky this isn't the Brisbane of the 1970s/1980s or they'd probably be in danger of being lynched in the streets.
I guess it comes down to how you see the world. I know it's fanciful but if I was the coach right now I'd be as excited as hell with my team.

I can see heaps of positives in every single player on our books. Carrigan, Haas, Flegs, TPJ, Lodge have plenty more to give. I don't see a bad team or inadequate players, I see potentially a top four team.
 

Sproj

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I guess it comes down to how you see the world. I know it's fanciful but if I was the coach right now I'd be as excited as hell with my team.

I can see heaps of positives in every single player on our books. Carrigan, Haas, Flegs, TPJ, Lodge have plenty more to give. I don't see a bad team or inadequate players, I see potentially a top four team.

Nice optimism. I see a team that if absolutely everything goes right, they could sneak into the bottom of the 8. They don't have the spine to be a top four side and barely anyone who is in the top 5 or even 10 in their relative position other than Haas, Staggs and maybe Carrigan.
 

Bongo

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Nice optimism. I see a team that if absolutely everything goes right, they could sneak into the bottom of the 8. They don't have the spine to be a top four side and barely anyone who is in the top 5 or even 10 in their relative position other than Haas, Staggs and maybe Carrigan.
I think our roster has talent and some players could end up at the top in their positions. My view is what we lack is the basic team structures and discipline. Our line speed is terrible. We don't win the ruck. Our attack has no structure and no second phase play. Siebold restricting Milford to areas of the field and other dumb ideas also killed the players confidence. The Players need to improve their discipline during games and preparation and to stop the dumb plays or be dropped when they don't. Kevvie can definitely fix the attack structure and discipline. If we have someone who can deal with the defence I am not sure who that is. Having some sort of game plan would be nice.
 

Sproj

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I think our roster has talent and some players could end up at the top in their positions. My view is what we lack is the basic team structures and discipline. Our line speed is terrible. We don't win the ruck. Our attack has no structure and no second phase play. Siebold restricting Milford to areas of the field and other dumb ideas also killed the players confidence. The Players need to improve their discipline during games and preparation and to stop the dumb plays or be dropped when they don't. Kevvie can definitely fix the attack structure and discipline. If we have someone who can deal with the defence I am not sure who that is. Having some sort of game plan would be nice.

I think it is optimistic as well to say we have young kids who will be their best in their position. Currently, I think there are three or four who could be and two of those are currently likely or wanting to leave in Staggs and Coates. The others are Haas, Riki, Piakura and no one. Ones who could surprise I suppose are Farnworth, Flegler, Walsh, Dearden, Paix and Carrigan. Aside from Haas and Staggs though, maybe Carrigan, I'd think best case scenario the others are all two-three seasons away at best.

I am not saying we don't have some really good potential talents but a lot of just nowhere near it yet and of those, how many look like hanging around?
 

Alex Wingnut

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I guess it comes down to how you see the world. I know it's fanciful but if I was the coach right now I'd be as excited as hell with my team.

I can see heaps of positives in every single player on our books. Carrigan, Haas, Flegs, TPJ, Lodge have plenty more to give. I don't see a bad team or inadequate players, I see potentially a top four team.
Optimistic but I Actually agree, I think its the Seibold structures that restricted some of our best players.
 

Bongo

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I think it is optimistic as well to say we have young kids who will be their best in their position. Currently, I think there are three or four who could be and two of those are currently likely or wanting to leave in Staggs and Coates. The others are Haas, Riki, Piakura and no one. Ones who could surprise I suppose are Farnworth, Flegler, Walsh, Dearden, Paix and Carrigan. Aside from Haas and Staggs though, maybe Carrigan, I'd think best case scenario the others are all two-three seasons away at best.

I am not saying we don't have some really good potential talents but a lot of just nowhere near it yet and of those, how many look like hanging around?
I agree with you no certainties and they could still leave. I also agree that even if they do they have some years to develop. TPJ is the other one but depends on fulfilling that potential. I said "could end up" but I guess the point of my post was that unless the team structures and culture changes none of them will.
 

Sproj

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I agree with you no certainties and they could still leave. I also agree that even if they do they have some years to develop. TPJ is the other one but depends on fulfilling that potential. I said "could end up" but I guess the point of my post was that unless the team structures and culture changes none of them will.

Totally agree with you on that and I don't even think it matters if Kevvie is a great coach or not, no one can be as stupid as Seibold was and run out a team with no plan or structure.
 
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Nice optimism. I see a team that if absolutely everything goes right, they could sneak into the bottom of the 8. They don't have the spine to be a top four side and barely anyone who is in the top 5 or even 10 in their relative position other than Haas, Staggs and maybe Carrigan.
It's very hard to feel optimistic and positive about the team given last year's results and efforts, but let's not forget every single player bar maybe Boyd and hass had an injury interrupted season. You can't judge these same players that were so highly rated in 2019 on an injury effected season. The effort is another area though, and that is the most effect Walters will have I believe.
 

Mustafur

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Our Real and only strength is Middle forwards, we will need our spine to have a breakout year to get anywhere near the 8 imo.
 

Culhwch

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Nice optimism. I see a team that if absolutely everything goes right, they could sneak into the bottom of the 8. They don't have the spine to be a top four side and barely anyone who is in the top 5 or even 10 in their relative position other than Haas, Staggs and maybe Carrigan.

Surely by definition if every single thing goes right we'd win the comp?

Honestly I think we'll be closer to that than the opposite. I think Kevvie can bring a breath of fresh air - along with some actual technical know how - to inspire the boys to have one of those unexpected worst to first (or at least second, third or fourth) type of seasons. Look at Cleveland Browns this year!
 

Mum-the-meatloaf

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Totally agree with you on that and I don't even think it matters if Kevvie is a great coach or not, no one can be as stupid as Seibold was and run out a team with no plan or structure.
Siebs was too technical. It sounded like he wanted more (mentally) than the average footy player could manage.

He comes from an educational background. I think it is best to keep it simple when it comes to league.
 

abashii

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Siebs was too technical. It sounded like he wanted more (mentally) than the average footy player could manage.

He comes from an educational background. I think it is best to keep it simple when it comes to league.
A good educator knows how to work with the people he's got, to build trust and confidence and tailor his strategies to suit the target audience. Seibold knew how to stuff his guts, make excuses and apparently very little else. I wouldn't want him teaching at my kid's school.
 

Marty Deutschmann

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Siebs was too technical. It sounded like he wanted more (mentally) than the average footy player could manage.

He comes from an educational background. I think it is best to keep it simple when it comes to league.
I think Seibold would do wonders with an older squad. Who has the oldest roster in the league?
 

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