Wayne Bennett confirmed as 2015 coach of Brisbane Broncos

[broncos4life]

@symbolsoup , you must be embedded with some powerful people to know all of that. :wink:

But wait, did you say members of the board? And did the board make the decision to chase Wayne, or were that individuals acting of their own accord?
Also out of curiosity, was any official Broncos offer made to Bennett prior to his decision to join the Broncos?
Finally, when were Griffin and White informed of "the board's" decision?

Symbol has told you he was told it by Tony Joseph, you know one of the board members, those board members that were completely blindsided and presented with a consummated fact? Yeah that guy.

So symbol has come on here and told you what he knows, named his source no less, and he is apparantly talking shit?

So essentially, if one group of people come on here, say "I know how this happened, can't name my source but I know it's right and your deluded if you don't believe me"

If someone else comes on, says what they know, even names their source but it is at odds with the general consensus that WB is a soul-less demon... "Oh just keep drinking the WB koolaid"

FTR symbol relayed this information months ago, directly after his conversation with Tony Joseph

 

[Super Freak]

The Courier Mail us reporting that several Broncos assistants could get sacked when Bennett takes over. Not really surprising. But I'm wondering what the people who want Bennett back if a scenario that the courier mail suggests actually happens.

The main points the courier mail suggest as a possibility iare:

Corvo - sacked
Kearney - will keep his job.

That would just be wrong if that happens

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Fucking Kearney. I hope he doesn't stay. How the **** does he manage to keep a job?

I would be happy with Corvo being given the axe if Benton comes back.

 

[broncos4life]

I'm sorry [MENTION=8282]symbolsoup[/MENTION] but I can't imagine a Broncos board member telling a member of the public anything regarding what's happening behind the scenes at the club.

Traditionally they don't leak anything before it happens. The only reason I see that it leaked this time was the involvement of Murdoch

But you more than happy to believe that ports info has been so easily leaked.

Honestly this has become ridiculous. This isn't about discussing Wayne Bennett, hook or the broncos anymore.

This has become people drawing a like in the sand, forming sides and supporting your guys til the hilt and deriding the opposition.

This is fucked

 

[Splinter]

I can't confirm if Murdoch supported that, but members of the board/officials were repeatedly travelling to Newcastle to meet with him and calling him to follow up for an answer. Joseph was very, very hopeful (and seemed confident) of getting "the heart and soul of the Broncos back on board". This was the Manly gameday event I attended with the board and players/explayers. And yes Alfie was hookin into the vinos like the champ he is!

I've kept this quiet as I didn't want to ruin my chances of attending another event like that, but the utter rubbish here has pushed me over the edge.

Yes, nothing has changed, Bennett is as honourable as it gets. The rest is just hand-on-**** speculation...

Time to stop whinging and get excited, or follow Hook to a new team.

I dont do much thinking at all at this moment:o_o:

 

[Sproj]

You decide to build a house. You put all your time and effort into making this house something special. The years go by and you add new things onto that house making it the envy of everyone else in the neighbourhood. After living there for quite a long time you decide you need a change. You hand the keys over to a couple you think will treat it with the respect and dignity it deserves.

You drive past your old house everyday on the way to work. You notice things that never used to happen when you live there. Grass is a little bit too long for your liking. A fencepost missing from the front. Leaves in the gutter. You don't think much of it as you believe the people you handed the keys over to know what they are doing and will get it back on track. The house doesn't improve. You notice more bad things happening to your old house when you go to and from work. It really irks you. All that time and effort you put into making it so special seems to be all for nothing. And these new tenants don't seem to care. Don't want to change anything. Don't want to fix the problems. Do you sit idly by and watch it crumble completely? Or do you decide to do something about it?

This makes no sense unless you are very biased.

 

[Bull Shark]

@Porthoz and @Foordy - no disrespect intended to you guys, I actually have plenty of respect for you.

I have never, ever come on here spruiking that I know 'something' unless I actually do know it as fact. I live by integrity and honour. Me posting what Joseph had told me didn't sit well with those values, but I decided that it would quell some of this useless speculation, which in turn would get the conversations back to relevant discussion. My loyalty is, after all, with BHQ primarily.

Doubt me if you will, but I have no negative form. If it pleases you to talk ill-informed rubbish, then go right ahead.
@broncos4life PMed me immediately after my 'big-day-out'. I responded with (probably too much) information that I had garnered. He can verify that what I said months ago has come to fruition. I am not 'embedded' nor 'connected' (well a little bit to get that access).

If you have never met Tony Joseph, I understand that it is too hard to imagine a board member telling a nobody (me), but keep in mind I was with the major sponsor's party. He didn't know I was anybody different. He is also a very open and lovely man - I am also a little gifted in persuasion and getting people to open up - but I use this in a good way. I hope you take that the right way. I don't mean to blow my trumpet. It just helps paint a picture. I spent about 3 hours with him and his wife (she was very open also). I knew what I was talking about in regards to the Broncos, mainly due to BHQ, and as such, I think they found that refreshing. I agree that it is shocking that they opened up so much - I was shocked but played it cool to extract as much as I could.

From what I gathered, Tony was acting on his own, or with limited support from the board, and was taking his officials.

Again, the key point at the time (before we beat Manly) was that there was a lot of pressure on the club, and sponsors were rightfully nervous of the direction. Consider it reassurance and drip feeding info.

That is all the connection that I have and all the knowledge. Oh, except for how rapturous they were about Jack Reed, Ashley Taylor (I met him that day).

Trust me or don't, whatever, but my respect for you may waiver...

end of thread /10

lets play ball.

 

[Foordy]

[MENTION=8282]symbolsoup[/MENTION], sorry mate I did mean to imply you weren't telling us the truth, and I certainly didn't realize you were with the major sponsors party.

I just found it difficult to believe a traditionally tight lipped board, would release any info before things were certain.

It may explain why there are rumors of board members being upset with what has happened. (If a board member acted on his own)

 

[Huge]

Wow, the delusion is strong with you.

Maybe you should re-read what I wrote.

Where did I say that the majority shareholders did as they were told by Wayne?

Whether it was initiated by WB or not is irrelevant. The deal took place behind closed doors and was presented to the board as consummated fact. What and how it happened behind those doors is irrelevant as well, but the fact is it happened. It took place without knowledge of the board and with knowledge of Bennett, otherwise how else would it be consummated?

I don't want you to take my word for it, but how about the guy who has 20% of the shares, actually sits on the board, and is so pissed off, he came out in public. He must be lying because he must have an agenda against WB, right? :rolleyes:
It's also quite amazing how quickly this information is leaking out from a place normally hermetically shut, as the Broncos board room is.

No matter how much you try to twist this, the man's reputation and integrity is tarnished. But feel free to keep him on a pedestal and drinking all the koolaid.

You're right though, he will undoubtedly have no qualms with the lost respect from me and many others, as the cash lining his pockets will more than make up for it, since this time it's apparently not disrespectful.

Oh, and I'll have even less qualms about you believing me, Wayne, Murphy or in the Easter Bunny.

So you're not concerned whether or not WB initiated contact.
So what or how it happened is also irrelevant.

What's getting you is that it happened behind the boards back and WB knew about it.

And you think what ? That WB should have contacted the media ? That WB should have contacted the board members ? Just what the **** did you expect him to do, please state exactly what he should have done so as to maintain respect from you, Porthoz. Be specific, tell us what he was supposed to do to maintain his reputation and integrity. By the way, consummated is a very poor choice, much more suitable is fait accompli.

 

[Foordy]

So you're not concerned whether or not WB initiated contact.
So what or how it happened is also irrelevant.

What's getting you is that it happened behind the boards back and WB knew about it.

And you think what ? That WB should have contacted the media ? That WB should have contacted the board members ? Just what the **** did you expect him to do, please state exactly what he should have done so as to maintain respect from you, Porthoz. Be specific, tell us what he was supposed to do to maintain his reputation and integrity. By the way, consummated is a very poor choice, much more suitable is fait accompli.

As I have already said in this thread IF Bennett was the one who initiate contact with Murdoch, he has done the wrong thing. He should have spoken to either White or the board about coming back. Not going over their heads to the majority shareholder to get him to use his influence.

However if it was Murdoch who initiated contact and Bennett just accepted his offer, there should be no problems with his actions

 

[Huge]

As I have already said in this thread IF Bennett was the one who initiate contact with Murdoch, he has done the wrong thing. He should have spoken to either White or the board about coming back. Not going over their heads to the majority shareholder to get him to use his influence.

However if it was Murdoch who initiated contact and Bennett just accepted his offer, there should be no problems with his actions

I wasn't writing to you Foordy, I responded to Porthoz. You've already shown you are able to reconsider things in the light of new information when you responded to soupy. I just have trouble with closed minds filled with jealousy,bias and preconceived notions. WB stated only recently that he didn't even know the Broncos job was available when he resigned or even a bit later when he was considering his future. For him to become aware it was possible to return someone had to contact him and inform him and most likely it was Murdoch, if not him then it had to be the board. No matter, being portrayed by some as a person who did something sneaky is just wrong.

For the record, I feel Griffins treatment has been less than ideal but the blame cannot be directed at WB, he was never the one to have the power to dismiss Griffin. To suggest otherwise is plainly stupid and naive.

 

[mitch222]

I couldn't care less how Bennett got the job back. I'm just happy he is home and our last couple years of mediocrity will be firmly put behind us. He brings respect to the team and every player respects him no matter what. He isn't there best friend but like their father instead and instils strong discipline into his side which is what we need at the moment. Just remember, we just stood 3 players down for breaking team protocol last week. And one thing is for sure, with Bennett at the helm, the buck stops with him. With him at the helm instantly has us looking at a premiership next year immediately not 2-3 years down the track. I have full faith that he will deliver us a title within 3 years.

 

[Porthoz]

@symbolsoup , I never doubted your words and you're still invited mate!

My questions were for clarification, so @broncos4life understands (if he actually reads this post properly this time) that what you said doesn't invalidate what I said and vice-versa.

- Individual board members does not equal "The board".
- Official offer, meaning coming from "The board", not from the majority holder telling him that it will happen because he says so.
- Finally, information to the CEO and the current coach, that should obviously be the next stake holders, but before the rest of the world knew... apparently didn't really go that way.

@Huge , due process was not followed, the plan to hire Bennett should have gone to the board, it should have been deliberated before a vote and decision came out. All the stake holders should've been informed and a formal offer given to Wayne Bennett, who always praised himself to be a man of integrity and honour, and would never pull the rug from under the current coach's feet. Guess what... he did!

You don't like "consummated fact" because it sounds too much like there was some fornication involved. Sorry mate, that's the exact wording I heard, and to be honest, that's exactly what it was... fucked-up!

This doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened anyway, given the majority share holder wanted it, but the way it was done, it reeks and looks like it was aimed at preventing the "unconvinced" to even have a chance to present a case against it. If this sounds like a honourable thing to do, then you and I have a vastly different definition of what it means...

 

[Porthoz]

I wasn't writing to you Foordy, I responded to Porthoz. You've already shown you are able to reconsider things in the light of new information when you responded to soupy. I just have trouble with closed minds filled with jealousy,bias and preconceived notions. WB stated only recently that he didn't even know the Broncos job was available when he resigned or even a bit later when he was considering his future. For him to become aware it was possible to return someone had to contact him and inform him and most likely it was Murdoch, if not him then it had to be the board. No matter, being portrayed by some as a person who did something sneaky is just wrong.

For the record, I feel Griffins treatment has been less than ideal but the blame cannot be directed at WB, he was never the one to have the power to dismiss Griffin. To suggest otherwise is plainly stupid and naive.

 

[nopatience101]

Wow, the delusion is strong with you.

Maybe you should re-read what I wrote.

Where did I say that the majority shareholders did as they were told by Wayne?

Whether it was initiated by WB or not is irrelevant. The deal took place behind closed doors and was presented to the board as consummated fact. What and how it happened behind those doors is irrelevant as well, but the fact is it happened. It took place without knowledge of the board and with knowledge of Bennett, otherwise how else would it be consummated?

I don't want you to take my word for it, but how about the guy who has 20% of the shares, actually sits on the board, and is so ****ed off, he came out in public. He must be lying because he must have an agenda against WB, right? :rolleyes:
It's also quite amazing how quickly this information is leaking out from a place normally hermetically shut, as the Broncos board room is.

No matter how much you try to twist this, the man's reputation and integrity is tarnished. But feel free to keep him on a pedestal and drinking all the koolaid.

You're right though, he will undoubtedly have no qualms with the lost respect from me and many others, as the cash lining his pockets will more than make up for it, since this time it's apparently not disrespectful.

Oh, and I'll have even less qualms about you believing me, Wayne, Murphy or in the Easter Bunny.

Murphy doesn't have a seat on the board, he is an investor, if he wants more say in the club or be consulted on decisions he should push News for a seat on the board, with close to 20% such a request would normally be granted. The marginalisation he is experiencing is the reason Geaney, scanlon and davison sold their shares in the first place.

Bennett hasn't lasted as long as he has without knowing how to play the game, hes a survivor.

I have no doubt that Joseph and Watt had been plotting his return for months, but the phone call with Lachlan Murdoch was the final obstacle to a return and it would have only gotten that far had it been on the recommendation of the board and in particular Watt. Any return was always going to be on the say so of News Corp. and a couple of board members may have been marginalised in the process but these things happen all the time, particularly when the majority shareholders are the controlling entity.

 

[theshed]

Looks like Darius isn't coming

Newcastle Knights Darius Boyd admitted to mental health clinic to treat depression

 

[theshed]

Looks like Darius isn't coming

Newcastle Knights Darius Boyd admitted to mental health clinic to treat depression

 

[Huge]

@symbolsoup , I never doubted your words and you're still invited mate!

My questions were for clarification, so @broncos4life understands (if he actually reads this post properly this time) that what you said doesn't invalidate what I said and vice-versa.

- Individual board members does not equal "The board".
- Official offer, meaning coming from "The board", not from the majority holder telling him that it will happen because he says so.
- Finally, information to the CEO and the current coach, that should obviously be the next stake holders, but before the rest of the world knew... apparently didn't really go that way.

@Huge , due process was not followed, the plan to hire Bennett should have gone to the board, it should have been deliberated before a vote and decision came out. All the stake holders should've been informed and a formal offer given to Wayne Bennett, who always praised himself to be a man of integrity and honour, and would never pull the rug from under the current coach's feet. Guess what... he did!

You don't like "consummated fact" because it sounds too much like there was some fornication involved. Sorry mate, that's the exact wording I heard, and to be honest, that's exactly what it was... fucked-up!

This doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened anyway, given the majority share holder wanted it, but the way it was done, it reeks and looks like it was aimed at preventing the "unconvinced" to even have a chance to present a case against it. If this sounds like a honourable thing to do, then you and I have a vastly different definition of what it means...

Still,still,still you don't answer ! What exactly did WB do wrong ?You make the assertion WB ' pulled the rug from under the current coaches feet' but how, what did he do, how did he do that ? In what universe is it WBs responsibility to make the Broncos/ Murdoch follow due process ? So please please tell the world, what exactly WB was supposed to do when Murdoch and various board members approached him.

Should he have hung up on the board if they phoned ?
Should he have walked away if approached in person ?
Should he have called Griffin ?
Should he have called the board members individually and told them to follow due process ?
Should he have hung up on Murdoch if he phoned ?

What should he have done that you yourself would have done to act with dignity and honour ?

Finally, when did WB ever praise himself as a man of dignity and honour ?

Answer the questions, just answer them. I'm listening so to speak.

Those words were used by the overwhelming majority of people who have met and dealt with him.

 

[Porthoz]

Murphy doesn't have a seat on the board, he is an investor, if he wants more say in the club or be consulted on decisions he should push News for a seat on the board, with close to 20% such a request would normally be granted. The marginalisation he is experiencing is the reason Geaney, scanlon and davison sold their shares in the first place.

Bennett hasn't lasted as long as he has without knowing how to play the game, hes a survivor.

I have no doubt that Joseph and Watt had been plotting his return for months, but the phone call with Lachlan Murdoch was the final obstacle to a return and it would have only gotten that far had it been on the recommendation of the board and in particular Watt. Any return was always going to be on the say so of News Corp. and a couple of board members may have been marginalised in the process but these things happen all the time, particularly when the majority shareholders are the controlling entity.

Oh, I'm not arguing that. That's probably exactly how it went... still doesn't make it ok, and that is exactly the reason I can't wait until NEWS sells their shares and loses their controlling majority.

Also have no doubt about Wayne's ability to navigate the waters, but people can't put him on a pedestal beyond reproach, when he is as much of a player as anyone else in that world. At least the likes of Murdoch don't come out and pretend they are something they're not...

Murphy doesn't have a seat on the board, not even an appointee? Isn't a certain minimum of shares a guarantee of a seat in the Broncos statutes? If not, that is fucked up. Not that it would make a difference, as 63% still makes up a majority vote anyway.

I have said it before, but let me re-emphasise it. If the result of all this is good for the club, I will swallow the pill and move on, as that is the only thing that really matters, but it is concerning to me that bypassing due process is something so easily accepted, as in the end justifying the means... what if the next decision taken in a similar way ends up in a royal ****-up?