Wayne Bennett confirmed as 2015 coach of Brisbane Broncos

[Porthoz]

Still,still,still you don't answer ! What exactly did WB do wrong ?You make the assertion WB ' pulled the rug from under the current coaches feet' but how, what did he do, how did he do that ? In what universe is it WBs responsibility to make the Broncos/ Murdoch follow due process ? So please please tell the world, what exactly WB was supposed to do when Murdoch and various board members approached him.

Should he have hung up on the board if they phoned ?
Should he have walked away if approached in person ?
Should he have called Griffin ?
Should he have called the board members individually and told them to follow due process ?
Should he have hung up on Murdoch if he phoned ?

What should he have done that you yourself would have done to act with dignity and honour ?

Finally, when did WB ever praise himself as a man of dignity and honour ?

Answer the questions, just answer them. I'm listening so to speak.

Those words were used by the overwhelming majority of people who have met and dealt with him.

WB knows the due process at the Broncos (a club he knows very, very well) wasn't followed and he accepted the job anyway.
As I said, I am not clear whether he was the one placing the call first or not, but he was fully aware of what he was doing, and if he meant that he would never accept a position at a club with a coach in function, he should have demanded that due process.

And you're right, I have not heard Wayne say the words, but I have heard him say things that represent exactly that, and his actions in this case go against it. I don't know the man, I have never met him personally, so I can only make my opinion based on what I hear and see.

This is my last word on this, because I am not going to continue to argue semantics with you. Take from it what you want...

 

[nopatience101]

Oh, I'm not arguing that. That's probably exactly how it went... still doesn't make it ok, and that is exactly the reason I can't wait until NEWS sells their shares and loses their controlling majority.

Also have no doubt about Wayne's ability to navigate the waters, but people can't put him on a pedestal beyond reproach, when he is as much of a player as anyone else in that world. At least the likes of Murdoch don't come out and pretend they are something they're not...

Murphy doesn't have a seat on the board, not even an appointee? Isn't a certain minimum of shares a guarantee of a seat in the Broncos statutes? If not, that is ****ed up. Not that it would make a difference, as 63% still makes up a majority vote anyway.

I have said it before, but let me re-emphasise it. If the result of all this is good for the club, I will swallow the pill and move on, as that is the only thing that really matters, but it is concerning to me that bypassing due process is something so easily accepted, as in the end justifying the means... what if the next decision taken in a similar way ends up in a royal ****-up?

I think it was an issue around timing more than anything sinister.

 

[Cult]

I don't know the man, I have never met him personally, so I can only make my opinion based on what I hear and see.

Based on whatever you choose to believe about what you hear and see.

There wasn't enough time for due process. From all accounts he was about to sign with the Dragons. We needed him either now or never. Otherwise we were stuck with Hook, or with somebody who wasn't ready. You guys will never be happy with everything the Broncos do. Maybe some of you would be happier supporting a club with "better business ethics".

 

[Morkel]

Based on whatever you choose to believe about what you hear and see.

There wasn't enough time for due process. From all accounts he was about to sign with the Dragons. We needed him either now or never. Otherwise we were stuck with Hook, or with somebody who wasn't ready. You guys will never be happy with everything the Broncos do. Maybe some of you would be happier supporting a club with "better business ethics".

I agree with you regarding timing. But this is not one of those occasions where people are looking for a reason to whinge. Porthoz, like a lot of us, expects, at the very least hopes, that ethics are a big part of the clubs processes.

 

[Porthoz]

Based on whatever you choose to believe about what you hear and see.

There wasn't enough time for due process. From all accounts he was about to sign with the Dragons. We needed him either now or never. Otherwise we were stuck with Hook, or with somebody who wasn't ready. You guys will never be happy with everything the Broncos do. Maybe some of you would be happier supporting a club with "better business ethics".

You don't know where I get my information from. I am not basing this on a fucking article by Danny Weidler.
Normally, like most people here, I eventually hear things diluted through the grapevine and have to make my deductions based on that and news I read. Not in this case though... hearing the same stuff from three different sources, all quite reliable and baffingly, all using the same wording (the consummated fact thing is not something three different people would make up), makes me believe it as fact.

People like 1910 and nopatience101, more often than not well informed (certainly better than I am), have pretty much confirmed what I said, even if in more diplomatic terms and probably with the knowledge of mitigating factors I don't have (like timing as opposed to sinister). Even Symbolsoup's info in no way contradicts what I said.

And I'm sorry I'm too ethically bound for you, and wanting my club to be the same. It certainly must be bliss to have little or no conscience. :takdir:

 

[Cult]

I agree with you regarding timing. But this is not one of those occasions where people are looking for a reason to whinge. Porthoz, like a lot of us, expects, at the very least hopes, that ethics are a big part of the clubs processes.

And we will probably never find out how it was done and neither will the media who have said numerous different things already. There's no use getting angry over something that the club you love apparently did or didn't do, according to someone who doesn't actually know what happened. If you're unhappy with having Bennett at the club, be unhappy with having Bennett at the club. Not what the media is telling you might have happened.

 

[Cult]

You don't know where I get my information from. I am not basing this on a fucking article by Danny Weidler.
Normally, like most people here, I eventually hear things diluted through the grapevine and have to make my deductions based on that and news I read. Not in this case though... hearing the same stuff from three different sources, all quite reliable and baffingly, all using the same wording (the consummated fact thing is not something three different people would make up), makes me believe it as fact.

People like 1910 and nopatience101, more often than not well informed (certainly better than I am), have pretty much confirmed what I said, even if in more diplomatic terms and probably with the knowledge of mitigating factors I don't have (like timing as opposed to sinister). Even Symbolsoup's info in no way contradicts what I said.

And I'm sorry I'm too ethically bound for you, and wanting my club to be the same. It certainly must be bliss to have little or no conscience. :takdir:

Yes but what you have heard says nothing about the character of the man whom you have not met. What you have heard is what the board members have done. Surely you don't expect Bennett to say no to their offer just so he can be as ethically bound as yourself?

 

[Kaz]

There wasn't enough time for due process. From all accounts he was about to sign with the Dragons.

The Dragons were his backup plan. He played the Dragons like a fiddle.

WB is self serving hypocrite, he says one thing & does something else.

WB has always stated he wouldn't go to the club unless the coaching issue was resolved. Yet signs he when the coaching issue wasn't resolved. (It was 'resolved' after he agreed to come back)

By all reports most of the senior players are pissed off. (either because they don't want him back or the way it was done, or because they weren't consulted.)

Yes most clubs consult their players

 

[Huge]

I can see from the post you have just made Porthoz that you've realised that your condemnation of WB was how shall we say, a little exuberant. At the end of the day you seem to only have some trouble with the fact that WB accepted a job from a company who did not follow what you consider due process. In most peoples books that would hardly be an issue but I can accept that you wish to be a supporter of a club that exemplifies the highest of ethical procedure.

Unlike Kaz and a scarce few others I don't think the money was a very big factor. WBs role in all of this has not diminished his standing I would think.

Like you say Porthoz, it's time to move on and wish Griffin all the very best now and into the future. He has my support for the remaining time and I think sadly for him he has realised too late the failure of the 5/8 role. Had it been changed after 5/6 rounds when it was very obvious I'd dare say we'd have at least two more games to our total and maybe he'd still have the role for 2015.

I'm looking forward to the rest of this year, the future after that will take care of itself.

 

[Kaz]

And I'm sorry I'm too ethically bound for you, and wanting my club to be the same. It certainly must be bliss to have little or no conscience.

I agree.

@Cult3 could be WB. :shocked:

 

[Splinter]

The Dragons were his backup plan. He played the Dragons like a fiddle.

WB is self serving hypocrite, he says one thing & does something else.

WB has always stated he wouldn't go to the club unless the coaching issue was resolved. Yet signs he when the coaching issue wasn't resolved. (It was 'resolved' after he agreed to come back)

By all reports most of the senior players are pissed off. (either because they don't want him back or the way it was done, or because they weren't consulted.)

Yes most clubs consult their players

Griffin was told Sunday. When did Bennett sign?

 

[Cult]

The Dragons were his backup plan. He played the Dragons like a fiddle.

WB is self serving hypocrite, he says one thing & does something else.

WB has always stated he wouldn't go to the club unless the coaching issue was resolved. Yet signs he when the coaching issue wasn't resolved. (It was 'resolved' after he agreed to come back)

By all reports most of the senior players are pissed off. (either because they don't want him back or the way it was done, or because they weren't consulted.)

Yes most clubs consult their players

More ridiculous, made up theories. Good work.

 

[Rabbir]

Boyd was never coming.

 

[Kaz]

I would if Hook became the Knights coach & won the GF before WB did.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Does $4Million over 3 years seem ridiculous??

 

[Huge]

The Dragons were his backup plan. He played the Dragons like a fiddle.

WB is self serving hypocrite, he says one thing & does something else.

WB has always stated he wouldn't go to the club unless the coaching issue was resolved. Yet signs he when the coaching issue wasn't resolved. (It was 'resolved' after he agreed to come back)

By all reports most of the senior players are pissed off. (either because they don't want him back or the way it was done, or because they weren't consulted.)

Yes most clubs consult their players

When did you hear WB say he was going to the Dragons ?
Common sense dictates that when looking for a job you keep your options open !
Amazing how you have such detailed knowledge of the timing and when the coaching issue was resolved...source ?
Tea leaves,medium or talk back radio perhaps ? Tarot cards ? WB rang you perhaps, White maybe or you probably are close mates with Murdoch. Poor simple thing.

 

[Cult]

Griffin was told Sunday. When did Bennett sign?

Exactly this. The Broncos had obviously worked out that they didn't have a coach set for next year and then he signed. How is that so hard to believe? Instead you'll believe he fucked Griffin over and blah blah blah. Guess what, Bennett is our coach for the next three years. Don't like it? I hear the Raiders are looking for fans and I think they like to whinge about the Broncos and their apparent "lack of ethics" too.

 

[Kaz]

Griffin was told Sunday. When did Bennett sign?

He 'agreed' on Sunday.