What is happening at the Broncos?

[Huge]

Independently from your feelings in regards to Bennett, do you actually have any doubts about the concerted attempts by the media to disrupt the Broncos players and coaching alike?

That "emotional outburst" served a dual purpose:
- Deflect the attention from his players (especially Lodge), by making himself the target of the media.
- Motivate the troops and fans around their team, by giving them a common enemy.

Whether you like it or not, he deserves the credit for that.

I know that while there are people here who are incapable of accepting any criticism of Bennett, most defend him for valid reasons and a ton of credit he has built over 30+ years coaching at the highest level.

I've got 22K+ posts on BHQ, and I cop it regularly from other members because I criticise him as well. You're a new poster on BroncosHQ who has done little more than bashing the incredibly successful club's foundation coach. What did you expect?

No one is expecting toadyism towards the man, but your approach is just going to make you a pariah and your opinion worthless, regardless of its merits.
So unless you're basically trolling for reactions, in which case... mission accomplished, you might want to deviate from your current path.

I've always thought that your feelings about WB are underpinned by a logic, a somewhat skewed logic but at least backed up by reasons for the view . It's not that you don't respect him but that you question his decisions and approach. It's only worthy of respect when your approach is adopted, it's thoughtless when it's without reason.

 

[Maddy1to9]

What's wrong?

Lack of cohesion (players in wrong positions and combinations)

Lack of direction (no halfback)

Lack of leadership (noone to look for in the forwards or backs)

Lack of organisation (coaching staff need to pick up their game)

Lack of communication (our most important players are mutes)

Lack of responsibility (players sheltered from criticism)

Ignoring our depth players (funaki, mago, scarlett, tagataese ect)

But still, we are 4 from 8. If we take out games against Dragons & Titans, we were in both the games against Knights & Storm. If not for couple of calls going against us in those games, we would have had a W instead of a L.

The thing that pissed me off the most is in the game against Cheaters, apart from a obvious dubious try that was given to Slater & couple of "take-it easy" defense mistakes from Milford & Oates, we are well and truly in the game. Yet, the cheaters played absolute best and flogged us according to the media. Really? you guys embellish everything that the cheaters do? is it the bias & hatred towards us made them talk like that?

Yes, guys were being asked to play wherever the the coach see them fit & injuries to most stable players aren't helping either. Inpsite of lack of cohesion, lack of direction, lack of leadership, lack of organisation, lack of communication, lack of responsibility the players are standing up for each other and trying to give their best. Imagine when everyone is fit and firing & playing a top notch games week in week out. NO other team can dare to beat us.

Trust in the team & the coach. Not the stupid & shameless media.

 

[Sproj]

NO other team can dare to beat us.

Except the Storm, Broncs usually find a way to lose.

 

[Reyter]

You dont like bennett, which is fair enough, but your agenda against him makes you blind to anything else but your own opinion.

That is utter nonsense. I mean not that I don't dislike Bennett's public persona but that I have some agenda. I merely stated an opinion, was relentlessly, personally and bitterly attacked for it and felt the desire to defend my opinion.

Independently from your feelings in regards to Bennett, do you actually have any doubts about the concerted attempts by the media to disrupt the Broncos players and coaching alike?

That "emotional outburst" served a dual purpose:
- Deflect the attention from his players (especially Lodge), by making himself the target of the media.
- Motivate the troops and fans around their team, by giving them a common enemy.

Whether you like it or not, he deserves the credit for that.

yeah, I know that's what he wants people to believe. I just find it cringe-worthy and agree with Gordon Tallis where he said no one buys it anymore.

I know that while there are people here who are incapable of accepting any criticism of Bennett, most defend him for valid reasons and a ton of credit he has built over 30+ years coaching at the highest level.

I've got 22K+ posts on BHQ, and I cop it regularly from other members because I criticise him as well. You're a new poster on BroncosHQ who has done little more than bashing the incredibly successful club's foundation coach. What did you expect?

No one is expecting toadyism towards the man, but your approach is just going to make you a pariah and your opinion worthless, regardless of its merits.
So unless you're basically trolling for reactions, in which case... mission accomplished, you might want to deviate from your current path.

It isn't true that I have said little except bash Bennett. I first got on here because I was frustrated with Milford and Boyd. In regard to bashing Bennett, see above.

I'm only on here expressing my opinion. I don't like the opinions about Thaiday but understand they are just opinions and people are welcome to them. But any bad word against Messiah Bennett and people lose their little minds. But you know, in the end I don't really care if people don't like my opinions.

In summary I would like to reiterate what I think is "happening at the Broncos".
1. Bennetts recruitment decisions have been poor but he is doing quite well with what he has recruited.

2. Milford needs a ball player/game manager in order to excel with his running game. Without, as is the case now, his running game is average and ball playing / game management, poor.

3. I can't quite remember when Boyd signed but I believe it was later in the year. As far as I can see giving him a big money 4 year deal was a kind of charity from WB to Boyd. Do people know that he can't just retire and have his salary written off in regard to the salary cap?

4. I can't see what many people see in Bird. Certainly not a bad player and an excellent utility but not even close to being worth a mil a year. I wonder how it makes others in the team who are (at this stage) more valuable to it but on much less money.

5. Finally, this is probably a side issue but I dislike Bennetts surly but very limited interaction with the media, and by extension the public. I was watching a program on Fox Sports and Johns said specifically, "every coach except WB has agreed to come on." So typical and boorish!

 

[broncos4life]

yeah, I know that's what he wants people to believe. I just find it cringe-worthy and agree with Gordon Tallis where he said no one buys it anymore.

But they obviously do buy into it. By doing what they are doing they are falling for it hook, line and sinker and are focusing on Bennett and not the players, exactly what he wanted. Why are you the only one outside the media that cannot see this?

 

[Reyter]

But they do, hence all this focus on Bennett and not the players or team itself. He cleverly offers a discussion point of himself while distracting clueless media from focusing on what really matters, avoiding heaped pressure on players, where possible. His shoulders are broader than whatever flack comes his way. He gives them plenty of rope.

Really? Seems to me there is a lot of pressure on the players and on Bennett himself. See below.

But they obviously do buy into it. By doing what they are doing they are falling for it hook, line and sinker and are focusing on Bennett and not the players, exactly what he wanted. Why are you the only one outside the media that cannot see this?

I just agree with Tallis that no one buys it anymore. If you do, that's great. I don't.

 

[broncos4life]

Really? Seems to me there is a lot of pressure on the players and on Bennett himself. See below.



I just agree with Tallis that no one buys it anymore. If you do, that's great. I don't.

Ok, so if someone disagrees with you they need to go into a lengthy explanation about it, but you can just say 'Nup', well this is fun.

How are they not buying it? I will try to make this simple.

If you want someone to look in a box and you tell them "Don't look in this box" knowing that saying that will make them look in the box. If they then look in the box have they not 'bought into it'?

 

[Reyter]

Ok, so if someone disagrees with you they need to go into a lengthy explanation about it, but you can just say 'Nup', well this is fun.

How are they not buying it? I will try to make this simple.

If you want someone to look in a box and you tell them "Don't look in this box" knowing that saying that will make them look in the box. If they then look in the box have they not 'bought into it'?

Because in the end you are just stating your opinion as I am.

I don't know what media you have been reading/watching/listening to but I have been hearing Lodge cop it. So much so that he is now going to be forced to go to the highest bidder due to being forced to pay his victims or not play in the NRL. No one was physically hurt as far as I know. Just some drunken idiot surely deserves punishment but not such a serious crime but that is a story for another time. Point is, your mythical deflection didn't work too well there.

Nikorima copped it majorly before he was relegated to the bench. Media have been raving about how fat Bird is. How poorly Milford and the entire forward pack have been playing and about how Boyd is going to be dropped from QLD. This mythical deflection isn't working from where I see it but in the end it's probably purely hypothetical. Who knows how much more or how much less criticism players would be getting if not for surly Bennett. That is why I say, it's purely my opinion.

 

[Morkel]

I just agree with Tallis...

 

[Number6]

That is utter nonsense. I mean not that I don't dislike Bennett's public persona but that I have some agenda. I merely stated an opinion, was relentlessly, personally and bitterly attacked for it and felt the desire to defend my opinion.




yeah, I know that's what he wants people to believe. I just find it cringe-worthy and agree with Gordon Tallis where he said no one buys it anymore.


It isn't true that I have said little except bash Bennett. I first got on here because I was frustrated with Milford and Boyd. In regard to bashing Bennett, see above.

I'm only on here expressing my opinion. I don't like the opinions about Thaiday but understand they are just opinions and people are welcome to them. But any bad word against Messiah Bennett and people lose their little minds. But you know, in the end I don't really care if people don't like my opinions.

In summary I would like to reiterate what I think is "happening at the Broncos".
1. Bennetts recruitment decisions have been poor but he is doing quite well with what he has recruited.

2. Milford needs a ball player/game manager in order to excel with his running game. Without, as is the case now, his running game is average and ball playing / game management, poor.

3. I can't quite remember when Boyd signed but I believe it was later in the year. As far as I can see giving him a big money 4 year deal was a kind of charity from WB to Boyd. Do people know that he can't just retire and have his salary written off in regard to the salary cap?

4. I can't see what many people see in Bird. Certainly not a bad player and an excellent utility but not even close to being worth a mil a year. I wonder how it makes others in the team who are (at this stage) more valuable to it but on much less money.

5. Finally, this is probably a side issue but I dislike Bennetts surly but very limited interaction with the media, and by extension the public. I was watching a program on Fox Sports and Johns said specifically, "every coach except WB has agreed to come on." So typical and boorish!

Don’t know and don’t want to know about rest of conversation.

For me points 1-3 fit with observed evidence within limits of what you can know from outside and reasonable to draw a subsequent opinion.

Point 4. I think Bird could be a good footballer if we needed a running 5/8. We don’t. Maybe a good hooker but untested therefore not worth money for that. Could be a very useful lock in a big forward pack but would have preferred Jai Arrow kept instead and use spare cash to add to the pot of money to offer a halfback which we actually needed. He was a nice to have if u have spare cash we didn’t.

Point five. Who cares if we are winning... if we are losing who cares as long as boys are digging in. Only grates me personally if we are losing and serving up crap and he goes around promising spots to nice guys. And that is only personally. If the media and the presser is the fans biggest worry the game mustn’t have been worth watching.

 

[Porthoz]

yeah, I know that's what he wants people to believe. I just find it cringe-worthy and agree with Gordon Tallis where he said no one buys it anymore.

And yet they react to it. For a few news cycles, the focus was off the players and towards him.
Every article attacking Bennett is an article not attacking Lodge for his acts in NY, our halves for misfiring, Bird for being terribly unfit, etc...

You and most may not buy it, but it achieves the desired result anyway, in the same way media uses click bait with juicy misleading titles.

It isn't true that I have said little except bash Bennett. I first got on here because I was frustrated with Milford and Boyd. In regard to bashing Bennett, see above.

I'm only on here expressing my opinion. I don't like the opinions about Thaiday but understand they are just opinions and people are welcome to them. But any bad word against Messiah Bennett and people lose their little minds. But you know, in the end I don't really care if people don't like my opinions.

People come here to express their opinion, and most don't care whether it's liked or not.
In fact, it's almost impossible to please everyone, but if you want people to actually read and debate it, you need to build a modicum of credibility and respect, and you need to show a balanced view to achieve that.

In summary I would like to reiterate what I think is "happening at the Broncos".
1. Bennetts recruitment decisions have been poor but he is doing quite well with what he has recruited.

2. Milford needs a ball player/game manager in order to excel with his running game. Without, as is the case now, his running game is average and ball playing / game management, poor.

3. I can't quite remember when Boyd signed but I believe it was later in the year. As far as I can see giving him a big money 4 year deal was a kind of charity from WB to Boyd. Do people know that he can't just retire and have his salary written off in regard to the salary cap?

4. I can't see what many people see in Bird. Certainly not a bad player and an excellent utility but not even close to being worth a mil a year. I wonder how it makes others in the team who are (at this stage) more valuable to it but on much less money.

5. Finally, this is probably a side issue but I dislike Bennetts surly but very limited interaction with the media, and by extension the public. I was watching a program on Fox Sports and Johns said specifically, "every coach except WB has agreed to come on." So typical and boorish!

1. I think some decisions have been poor, but most good, although most only through the benefit of hindsight. The only decision I hate, is letting Taylor go, but I think the mistake was made well before his decision to let the kid spread his wings elsewhere.

2. That one slots right in with the above. Milford's running game is average because of his focus on learning game management while on the job. He has been steadily improving his kicking game, but I don't think he can really flourish until we have an organising half next to him. The fact the club/coach aren't providing him with the tools he needs to deliver on his price tag, is not on Anthony!

3. Preaching to the choir here. I didn't want Boyd in the first place, because of the havoc I predicted it would cause with our young promising kids coming through, as I don't think Bennett can be objective in regards to Darius. I do blame the management as well to allow such a ridiculous contract to be put in place.

4. I take no heed of the reports on contract values, as they rarely are accurate. I'm in the boat of those whom wouldn't have recruited Bird, simply because I saw our needs elsewhere, not because of the player's quality which I don't doubt. Of course, I do agree that Bird let himself go too far while recovering from surgery, and he's paying the price for that now.

5. I've never liked Bennett's approach to the media. Not because they don't fully deserve it, but because as a Broncos fan, I'd like to understand Wayne's train of thoughts behind the decisions he makes.
I do understand why he does it, and couldn't give a rats arse about what Johns, Tallis, Slothfield, Weirdler, Ikin or Kent think about it.

 

[lynx000]

You simply have the biggest agenda I have ever seen on this message board.

He is actually giving AP a run for his money, impressive.

 

[bb_gun]

He is actually giving AP a run for his money, impressive.

Hey! I remember the days of AP. He was a great man and an absolute delight to talk to.

 

[Dexter]

Hey! I remember the days of AP. He was a great man and an absolute delight to talk to.

Don't forget Frank the Tank

There are a couple in the Religion thread who are AP hall of famers.

Actually, we could add that to the awards ( AP award ), would be interesting voting.

 

[Reyter]

And yet they react to it. For a few news cycles, the focus was off the players and towards him.
Every article attacking Bennett is an article not attacking Lodge for his acts in NY, our halves for misfiring, Bird for being terribly unfit, etc...

You and most may not buy it, but it achieves the desired result anyway, in the same way media uses click bait with juicy misleading titles.

Fair enough but as I said previously, if he was a little more open and less surly with the media and by extension, the pubic, who knows how much more or less criticism the players would be getting. And what if they deserve all the criticism they get?!

One thing for certain, on this forum the opposite is true. Any criticism of WB and it's pandemonium but anyone else is fair game.

3. Preaching to the choir here. I didn't want Boyd in the first place, because of the havoc I predicted it would cause with our young promising kids coming through, as I don't think Bennett can be objective in regards to Darius. I do blame the management as well to allow such a ridiculous contract to be put in place.

But do people realize how damaging this could be? If Boyd doesn't start playing better or in the likely event he continues going downhill? Only in the event an independently proven career ending injury can his salary be written off in regard to the salary cap.

5. I've never liked Bennett's approach to the media. Not because they don't fully deserve it, but because as a Broncos fan, I'd like to understand Wayne's train of thoughts behind the decisions he makes.
I do understand why he does it, and couldn't give a rats arse about what Johns, Tallis, Slothfield, Weirdler, Ikin or Kent think about it.

Why is it that every player, ex player and club official is fair game on this forum except for Bennett? I really feel for Sammy. Sure he isn't the force he once was but as far as I have seen, except the game where he was put into hooker, he hasn't been that bad.

I don't even want to continue on with this or it will seem like I really do have an agenda but I'm really interested to know the answer. When I was flipped out on by several posters my criticism was really quite mild and as far as I remember, was only drawn into it in regard to the contracts and the way Bird, Boyd and Milford are playing.

 

[Renegade]

One thing for certain, on this forum the opposite is true. Any criticism of WB and it's pandemonium but anyone else is fair game.

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Fascinating.

 

[holdzy]

Fascinating.

Obviously he's not familiar with the Ben Hunt Wars.

 

[Porthoz]

Fair enough but as I said previously, if he was a little more open and less surly with the media and by extension, the pubic, who knows how much more or less criticism the players would be getting. And what if they deserve all the criticism they get?!

One thing for certain, on this forum the opposite is true. Any criticism of WB and it's pandemonium but anyone else is fair game.



But do people realize how damaging this could be? If Boyd doesn't start playing better or in the likely event he continues going downhill? Only in the event an independently proven career ending injury can his salary be written off in regard to the salary cap.



Why is it that every player, ex player and club official is fair game on this forum except for Bennett? I really feel for Sammy. Sure he isn't the force he once was but as far as I have seen, except the game where he was put into hooker, he hasn't been that bad.

I don't even want to continue on with this or it will seem like I really do have an agenda but I'm really interested to know the answer. When I was flipped out on by several posters my criticism was really quite mild and as far as I remember, was only drawn into it in regard to the contracts and the way Bird, Boyd and Milford are playing.

The question is whether you think that bashing the Broncos is a sure thing to get the clicks and attention from the media, and it matters little to nothing whether they deserve the criticism. I highly doubt whether a Bennett's public persona attitude change in press conferences would make a difference.

Bennett is definitely a protected species for many people, but think about the reasons for that, and then compare them to your very unilateral criticism. Add to that your opinions in regards to Milford's ethnicity (and I do understand you don't mean them as racism, but that was not how it initially came across), and you've dug yourself into a hole for many people, where you won't come out of without being more constructive, dare I say.