POST GAME Round 20 - Broncos vs Storm

[I bleed Maroon]

From here on I am fully behind the Raiders for this year since we are no chance and I cbf seeing Souths, Storm or Roosters win another comp.

If those are the only contenders left, I could not be less interested. A who's who of cancerous turds for varying reasons.

Storm - The NE Patriots of the NRL. I need not say more.
Roosters - Yep, totally no shady shit going on in that roster management.
Souffs - It's Souths. And the Bennett thing is still raw.
Raiders - Their fans are deadset ferals and their coach is a chair/shit kicking sook who deserves nothing.

 

[Brocko]

If those are the only contenders left, I could not be less interested. A who's who of cancerous turds for varying reasons.

Storm - The NE Patriots of the NRL. I need not say more.
Roosters - Yep, totally no shady shit going on in that roster management.
Souffs - It's Souths. And the Bennett thing is still raw.
Raiders - Their fans are deadset ferals and their coach is a chair/shit kicking sook who deserves nothing.

I absolutely agree but the Raiders have the advantage of not being Melbourne, Roosters or Souffs. As someone else said, i'd probably rather Manly than all of them actually. So yeah I change from Raiders to Manly

 

[theshed]

I dont think i do need to show any patience at all. We are an elite club with resources and facilities the envy of the competition, we shouldnt tolerate underachievement, and thats whats happening right now, we are underachieving.

Like i said, if we have a collapse until the end of the year, he should be booted out quick sharp. We have already clearly gone backwards from last year. If we finish the year on a whimper he deserves no favours from anyone. If he can get this team showing a lot more until the end of the year, lets see how he starts off next year. Lets see if his reworking of our roster is worth the current mediocrity we are going through.

Doesn’t matter how elite we are. There are only about 4 good established coaches between 16 teams. Bellamy already said no, Robertson isn’t going anywhere, Bennett has gone for better or worse, and Des has a history of very questionable roster management tactics.

So who is left to chose from that is so obviously a better choice that we should cut Seibold before giving him time to build his roster?

Kev? Jason? And if they also don’t work out?

Do we just keep firing them until we find one who achieves instant success?

 

[Wolfie]

Doesn’t matter how elite we are. There are only about 4 good established coaches between 16 teams. Bellamy already said no, Robertson isn’t going anywhere, Bennett has gone for better or worse, and Des has a history of very questionable roster management tactics.

So who is left to chose from that is so obviously a better choice that we should cut Seibold before giving him time to build his roster?

Kev? Jason? And if they also don’t work out?

Do we just keep firing them until we find one who achieves instant success?

Its not about instant success though is it? Its about showing we are building towards something. I'm all for Seibold staying on and seeing how things go next year, but if we collapse this year thats when i'd sack him. We have to show some positives for next year.

Doesnt matter who the coach is, if you dont make the 8 at a club like ours, you are under pressure, if you fail in a big way, you are in serious trouble.

 

[Xzei]

i can only hope the people in charge dont have such a short sighted view.

 

[Socnorb]

Its not about instant success though is it? Its about showing we are building towards something. I'm all for Seibold staying on and seeing how things go next year, but if we collapse this year thats when i'd sack him. We have to show some positives for next year.

Doesnt matter who the coach is, if you dont make the 8 at a club like ours, you are under pressure, if you fail in a big way, you are in serious trouble.

Well probably never agree on this, but my point is that major structural and cultural change takes time , and short term pain. If you want the rewards you have to go through those changes. Something the club has been unwilling to do in recent history.

 

[theshed]

Its not about instant success though is it? Its about showing we are building towards something. I'm all for Seibold staying on and seeing how things go next year, but if we collapse this year thats when i'd sack him. We have to show some positives for next year.

Doesnt matter who the coach is, if you dont make the 8 at a club like ours, you are under pressure, if you fail in a big way, you are in serious trouble.

Mate they’ve shedded Moose, Kniko, Kahu, Roberts, and Sims. He inherited 3 busted seniors on over priced and far too long contracts, and has the 800k Bird sitting on the sidelines. He hasn’t had an opportunity to make a single signing that wasn’t solely for depth, and every time he looks to be selecting a team resembling one he wants it get some plagued by injury and is forced to re-shuffle.

On top of that we have 0 established halves at the club. You could blame him for shafting Kniko too early but we almost all agreed he wasn’t a half either and he is stinking it up at the warriors.

I’ve seen and heard plenty of things that show Seibold has good ideas. But he’s been extremely shackled due to roster, suspensions and injuries. If you think there hasn’t been any positive signs this year, you’re kidding yourself. To me this season is about Seibold and the board making hard but necessary cuts, getting our cap in order, growing our youth, and getting the best result considering the circumstances. I don’t expect much. A 8-10th place finish to me is a pass mark.

For me Seibold’s real judgement will be based on how he handles his first uninterrupted off season, his off season recruitment and roster decisions, and then ultimately how we perform next year. If he misses the finals in 2020, cut him for sure.

 

[Wolfie]

Well probably never agree on this, but my point is that major structural and cultural change takes time , and short term pain. If you want the rewards you have to go through those changes. Something the club has been unwilling to do in recent history.

I dont disagree at all, it may take time. But you have to show something all the same. Just playing a bunch of kids with potential isnt that imo. I wouldnt have an issue if we were erratic or inconsistent but i could see what we were aiming to achieve. At the moment, i dont see any definable style of play, i see nothing in our structures. We are poor in attack, we are poor in defence and i see nothing thats changing our culture. Thats whats got me worried.

 

[tommy]

You'll never attract any coaching talent if you just fire anyone that can't be a success with the previous coach's dregs.

 

[Wolfie]

Mate they’ve shedded Moose, Kniko, Kahu, Roberts, and Sims. He inherited 3 busted seniors on over priced and far too long contracts, and has the 800k Bird sitting on the sidelines. He hasn’t had an opportunity to make a single signing that wasn’t solely for depth, and every time he looks to be selecting a team resembling one he wants it get some plagued by injury and is forced to re-shuffle.

On top of that we have 0 established halves at the club. You could blame him for shafting Kniko too early but we almost all agreed he wasn’t a half either and he is stinking it up at the warriors.

I’ve seen and heard plenty of things that show Seibold has good ideas. But he’s been extremely shackled due to roster, suspensions and injuries. If you think there hasn’t been any positive signs this year, you’re kidding yourself. To me this season is about Seibold and the board making hard but necessary cuts, getting our cap in order, growing our youth, and getting the best result considering the circumstances. I don’t expect much. A 8-10th place finish to me is a pass mark.

For me Seibold’s real judgement will be based on how he handles his first uninterrupted off season, his off season recruitment and roster decisions, and then ultimately how we perform next year. If he misses the finals in 2020, cut him for sure.

Moose was a massive error. The rest i dont have a lot of issue with, even though Nikorima would probably be very good at 6 for us now Milf is at fullback ( which makes it an odd decision to let him go if he was considering moving Milf to 1 )

You say 8-10th is a pass ( i dont but i'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if we did ), but what i'm saying is if we implode, if we only win 1 more game this year and we perform poorly in those last 5 games, thats when i'd sack him. I think thats whats being missed in what i'm saying, i'm saying i'd boot him if we cant bounce back from that embarrasing loss to Melbourne.
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You'll never attract any coaching talent if you just fire anyone that can't be a success with the previous coach's dregs.

Our side wasnt that bad last year. It was erratic and inconsistent and probably needed tweaking for this year. Probably do more what he did with the side he inherited from Maguire at Souths.

 

[theshed]

Moose was a massive error. The rest i dont have a lot of issue with, even though Nikorima would probably be very good at 6 for us now Milf is at fullback ( which makes it an odd decision to let him go if he was considering moving Milf to 1 )

You say 8-10th is a pass ( i dont but i'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if we did ), but what i'm saying is if we implode, if we only win 1 more game this year and we perform poorly in those last 5 games, thats when i'd sack him. I think thats whats being missed in what i'm saying, i'm saying i'd boot him if we cant bounce back from that embarrasing loss to Melbourne.
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Our side wasnt that bad last year. It was erratic and inconsistent and probably needed tweaking for this year. Probably do more what he did with the side he inherited from Maguire at Souths.

I won’t argue too much about Moose. If we had to keep 2 of the 3 guys in retrospect you would probably trade the busted Gillo for Moose. In hindsight you’d keep Kniko for one more season too. But again I think keeping them just so this season wouldn’t be as bad is short sighted if it effects our plans for the future long term. I believe I’ve seen enough to think that we would win a lot of the games we threw away if we played them again now. I do think we’ve built since the start of the season. Other than the Melbourne spanking.

 

[pagey]

Moose was a massive error. The rest i dont have a lot of issue with, even though Nikorima would probably be very good at 6 for us now Milf is at fullback ( which makes it an odd decision to let him go if he was considering moving Milf to 1 )

You say 8-10th is a pass ( i dont but i'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if we did ), but what i'm saying is if we implode, if we only win 1 more game this year and we perform poorly in those last 5 games, thats when i'd sack him. I think thats whats being missed in what i'm saying, i'm saying i'd boot him if we cant bounce back from that embarrasing loss to Melbourne.
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Our side wasnt that bad last year. It was erratic and inconsistent and probably needed tweaking for this year. Probably do more what he did with the side he inherited from Maguire at Souths.

I get what you're saying but if we sack him this year we'd look pretty fucking stupid, and who would you replace him with?

 

[NSW stables]

Yeah, when coaches are getting fired frequently, it is usually a strong indicator that the club is a basket case and lost its way (i.e. titans, penrith etc.).

That is not to say we provide blind loyalty but we need to give him some time to establish a team and strategy that work together. If he cant find that formula, then we could consider where to from there.

Fact is that he did inherit a team with potential, but also a team with many players on long term contracts which have not be earning them. He has cleared out some to make way for others.

 

[ostin86]

Regardless of what happens this year, I expect us to be contending next year. If we aren't or thereabouts than Seibolds position should be scrutinised.

In fact if Seibold has Boyd and Macca in our starting 13 come round 1 next year, than personally I'd be happy to see him gone at that point.

 

[Wolfie]

I get what you're saying but if we sack him this year we'd look pretty fucking stupid, and who would you replace him with?

At this moment in time i wouldnt have a clue. I'm not envisaging us collapsing anyway so i think its fair to give him next year to see how we go along. There are a lot of smart coaches out there ( JD, O'Brien, who i like, worked under Bellyache and now Robinson ) but its whether they are capable of being a head coach.

 

[Huge]

Lol.. The team that is winning by 20 points gets a big cheer when their captain and club legend scores, big shock Channel 9. Rugby league commentators are so amateur it's embarrassing.
There was, and is, alot of storm fans at the game and in queensland. But the vast majority of them will disperse in hard times. And hard times will happen. Look at us. Administrations get cocky, luck vanishes, wrong choices are made. No matter what you say about them now the storm could be totally different in 5 years. Trevor from logan is less likely to support a team 100's of miles away if they are losing. The other big thing for them will be a 2nd brisbane team. Broncos won't lose fans, we have a team in our backyard already
But if storm aren't winning and a 2nd team up the road comes along on top of all the maroons legends retiring they will lose a lot of fans.
The best thing that happened to the storm was the piss weak nrl punishment by gallop and Co. People were honestly saying it was harsh hahaha. They lost players, wow that hurts! They just had to get under the salary cap the next year like everyone else! Then they whinged about not playing for points... For one bloody year! They were 30% over the cap for 4 fucking years and they made the grand final every fucking year of those. All these years later they have had the opportunity to carry on from those years of cheating. It's that simple, they have been allowed to grow success and mould a winning club via cheating. Its repulsive, and if they keep getting leg ups once Smith retires I will be leaving the game of rugby league. And so will a lot of others...

Really ? A cap compliant team somehow gets an advantage 10 years later, how the **** does that happen ?????????????

I know you're upset but that's fucking irrational. The Storm are vastly superior because they select players well, are run well and are coached well. They always were and have been that way for 98% of their existence. What you should be writing is 'I'm envious and wish I could say the same about my team'.

Paying the players extra didn't give them more ability or enhance them in any way.

Think about it, would paying every Titans player a million a year make a difference? No, the Storms better and you have to accept that. The cap cheating let them 'keep the band together' but it has nothing to do with their superiority. That's down to superior coach, retention and selection, nothing else.

 

[broncsgoat]

I get what you're saying but if we sack him this year we'd look pretty fucking stupid, and who would you replace him with?

Even I wouldn’t sack him this year.

But I would be surprised if he’s our coach in 2021

 

[pagey]

Really ? A cap compliant team somehow gets an advantage 10 years later, how the **** dkes that happen ?????????????

I know you're upset but that's fucking irrational. The Storm are vastly superior because they select players well, are run well and are coached well. They always were and have been that way for 98% of their existence. What you should be writing is 'I'm envious and wish I could say the same about my team'.

Paying the players extra didn't give them more ability or enhance them in any way.

Think about it, would paying every Titans player a million a year make a difference? No, the Storms better and you have to accept that. The cap cheating let them 'keep the band together' but it has nothing to do with their superiority. That's down to superior coach, retention and selection, nothing else.

Well it did , it kept Smith, Slater and cronk in the same team for along time. In turn made them successful and made players want to play for them and fans wanted to follow them. So to say they didn't get a leg up is bullshit.
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Even I wouldn’t sack him this year.

But I would be surprised if he’s our coach in 2021

Well if that's true then the board has fucked up big time.