Six Again Calls

Dexter said:
The rule was intended to replace penalties. If you had a penalty in tackles 1 to 5 you get the same result just no kick.
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Except that the defending players don't get a breather. If you know you're getting 12 tackles at least it's consistent and you can train for it easier.
 
Culhwch said:
Fair call. But it doesn't really seem to have replaced penalties, but rather just it made it easier for referees to make trifling calls that would otherwise be negatively scrutinised if the play stopped for a kick for touch.

If you want to introduce varying degrees of penalty -- that is a kick for touch or goal is weighted more heavily than simply restarting the set -- I don't think this is how you do it. In fact I think the repeat restarts are giving more advantage than a stop in play, kick for touch, and a restart against a set line is, particularly once a team is past the halfway line. That's where a six again call on the fourth or fifth tackle for a negligible ruck infringement is giving the attacking team an unbalanced advantage.
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I agree. I'm not defending it just clarifying.
I was against it from the start .
 
TimWhatley said:
Except that the defending players don't get a breather. If you know you're getting 12 tackles at least it's consistent and you can train for it easier.
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Hmmmmmm cant agree .
That makes no sense to me.
 
Dexter said:
So lets bring in a rule if the attacking side walks off the mark it's automatic last tackle.

These idiots just keep trying to fix things with changes instead of enforcing the rules they already had. In 5 years the game will look nothing like it used to.
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This is 100% it, it’s already getting rubbish to watch. They’re really fucking a good product.
 
OMG.............I'm agreeing with Phil Gould again, all these rule changes are heading us down the rugby path and the game is becoming way too technical, it will drive the fans away.

Its hard enough to know what these set restarts are for just watching on tv, in the stands it will be almost impossible.

The NRL are trying to be 'clever' but they are officiating the game into oblivion.
 
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Dexter said:
Hmmmmmm cant agree .
That makes no sense to me.
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He meant if there is an actually stoppage (like it was previously) the players can reset their formation, catch their breath and defend far better than if they're facing 12 tackles in a row due to the new rule.
 
Organix said:
He meant if there is an actually stoppage (like it was previously) the players can reset their formation, catch their breath and defend far better than if they're facing 12 tackles in a row due to the new rule.
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Yeah but the rule was also to introduce fatigue so from that POV it's working.
 
Dexter said:
Yeah but the rule was also to introduce fatigue so from that POV it's working.
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Well, if it were more evenly enacted I would be a lot more inclined to accept that as a fair rule. But, as I said here much earlier, the NRL either had no foresight as to the flaws in their system (as has previously been the case) or as @Huge's stats show (without showing the when and where) there is an unfair dosage of calls against the Broncos that, with ill intent, could easily be being abused.
 
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Slippin Jimmy said:
For those interested in seeing the stats for themselves re: penalty counts, the below link has you covered.

It doesn't support the argument that we've always been the referees' whipping boy.

Rugby League Tables / Penalty Counts

Rugby League Tables - NRL Stats & Tables
afltables.com
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How do you figure that? I already pulled the numbers and as I said above, we've been in the bottom 4 teams for penalties awarded to us going back to 2016, and in the bottom 5 teams since 2013.

We've finished up and down the ladder with all sorts of win/loss records since 2013, yet in 8 years have we never once managed to get out of the bottom 5 for penalties awarded to us.

In fact, going back to 2010 we've only made it out of the bottom 5 teams for penalties awarded to us twice in ten years!

It simply isn't possible that going back 8 years now every single team that comes up against Brisbane has magically turned up on their best behaviour. It's absolute nonsense and it sticks out statistically like a sore thumb.
 
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Penalty counts won/lost seems a better indicator of how we're faring with the refs than penalties for. From 2010 through to 2016 we were in the top 8 performing sides on that metric.
kooly87 said:
How do you figure that? I already pulled the numbers and as I said above, we've been in the bottom 4 teams for penalties awarded to us going back to 2016, and in the bottom 5 teams since 2013.
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Slippin Jimmy said:
Penalty counts won/lost seems a better indicator of how we're faring with the refs than penalties for. From 2010 through to 2016 we were in the top 8 performing sides on that metric.
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No, it is not a better metric. Penalties for should be the focus as we cannot control them and it is at the heart of my claims. All the other teams(from memory nz doesn't fair well too) over 25 odd years rise and fall yet the Broncos stay way down the table generally. I could be wrong I suppose but I don't remember all the details. Big Pete usually does stats ,he may know.
 
Slippin Jimmy said:
Penalty counts won/lost seems a better indicator of how we're faring with the refs than penalties for. From 2010 through to 2016 we were in the top 8 performing sides on that metric.
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Which is a stunning thing considering we are basically permanently in the bottom 4-5 sides for penalties awarded to us for at least a decade running now. It really only reinforces my point that things are not adding up in Broncos games and they've become quite a statistical outlier.
 
kooly87 said:
Which is a stunning thing considering we are basically permanently in the bottom 4-5 sides for penalties awarded to us for at least a decade running now. It really only reinforces my point that things are not adding up in Broncos games and they've become quite a statistical outlier.
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It's difficult to explain in satisfying way. One explanation is that we're bad at winning the wrestle while in possession, which goes along with a favoured narrative of some that we never adapted to the wrestling part of the game. That would be very hard to prove with data though, so I don't like it.

My point is that it's difficult to argue that the referees have always had it out for us when for most of the last decade they've penalised our opposition more than us.
 
Huge said:
No, it is not a better metric. Penalties for should be the focus as we cannot control them and it is at the heart of my claims. All the other teams(from memory nz doesn't fair well too) over 25 odd years rise and fall yet the Broncos stay way down the table generally. I could be wrong I suppose but I don't remember all the details. Big Pete usually does stats ,he may know.
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*fare* (sorry, couldn't resist)
 
Round 14 Update

Brisbane Broncos: 45 Awarded, 50 Conceded, -5 Overall. 142 Total Infringements
Gold Coast Titans: 43 Awarded, 54 Conceded, -11 Overall. 140 Total Infringements
Canberra Raiders: 56 Awarded, 56 Conceded, 0 Overall. 133 Total Infringements
Penrith Panthers: 42 Awarded, 56 Conceded, -14 Overall. 132 Total Infringements
Warriors: 54 Awarded, 49 Conceded, +5 Overall. 130 Total Infringements
Wests Tigers: 42 Awarded, 49 Conceded, -7 Overall. 127 Total Infringements
Cronulla Sharks: 55 Awarded, 48 Conceded, +7 Overall. 126 Total Infringements
Melbourne Storm: 34 Awarded, 48 Conceded, -14 Overall. 123 Total Infringements
South Sydney Rabbitohs: 49 Awarded, 40 Conceded, +9 Overall. 122 Total Infringements
Sydney Roosters: 42 Awarded, 42 Conceded, 0 Overall. 122 Total Infringements
Manly Sea Eagles: 51 Awarded, 54 Conceded, -3 Overall. 114 Total Infringements
North Queensland Cowboys: 44 Awarded, 45 Conceded, -1 Overall. 113 Total Infringements
Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs: 48 Awarded, 42 Conceded, +6 Overall. 106 Total Infringements
Newcastle Knights: 62 Awarded, 34 Conceded, +28 Overall. 96 Total Infringements
Parramatta Eels: 47 Awarded, 42 Conceded, +5 Overall. 96 Total Infringements
 
Big Pete said:
Round 14 Update

Brisbane Broncos: 45 Awarded, 50 Conceded, -5 Overall. 142 Total Infringements
Gold Coast Titans: 43 Awarded, 54 Conceded, -11 Overall. 140 Total Infringements
Canberra Raiders: 56 Awarded, 56 Conceded, 0 Overall. 133 Total Infringements
Penrith Panthers: 42 Awarded, 56 Conceded, -14 Overall. 132 Total Infringements
Warriors: 54 Awarded, 49 Conceded, +5 Overall. 130 Total Infringements
Wests Tigers: 42 Awarded, 49 Conceded, -7 Overall. 127 Total Infringements
Cronulla Sharks: 55 Awarded, 48 Conceded, +7 Overall. 126 Total Infringements
Melbourne Storm: 34 Awarded, 48 Conceded, -14 Overall. 123 Total Infringements
South Sydney Rabbitohs: 49 Awarded, 40 Conceded, +9 Overall. 122 Total Infringements
Sydney Roosters: 42 Awarded, 42 Conceded, 0 Overall. 122 Total Infringements
Manly Sea Eagles: 51 Awarded, 54 Conceded, -3 Overall. 114 Total Infringements
North Queensland Cowboys: 44 Awarded, 45 Conceded, -1 Overall. 113 Total Infringements
Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs: 48 Awarded, 42 Conceded, +6 Overall. 106 Total Infringements
Newcastle Knights: 62 Awarded, 34 Conceded, +28 Overall. 96 Total Infringements
Parramatta Eels: 47 Awarded, 42 Conceded, +5 Overall. 96 Total Infringements
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