Next Broncos coach

[abashii]

The real issue then is of course that, after guaranteeing Bennett the job for 2019, the club instead shafted him, which is why he was justly pissed off

Yep, they screwed the pooch royally with the transition. All of White's comments about Wayne being allowed to see out his contract (and the howling of White's fanboys) need to be viewed in light of him trying over and over to negotiate a coaching swap with Souths. As I recall these were agreed to by the two clubs and Siebold but Bennett steadfastly refused to go back on his commitment to the players that he would indeed coach them in 2019. Using any contact between Bennett and Souths, who were telling him the Broncos position that he'd be gone by 2019, as an excuse to sack him without a payout was just a fig leaf so White could brag about saving a few hundred grand - and gross hypocrisy seeing as how Seibold was asked by the Broncos for his input on our team while he was still employed by Souths. They alienated the best coach this club has ever had, the players, a lot of fans and gave an untested 1 year coach with no roots in this club or connection with the players the worst possible start he could have here.

Words just don't do justice to how badly the front office mob fucked this up when they decided their corporate games, personal feuds and balance sheets were more important than the football team.

 

[The Strapper]

Thanks for that, and yes Bennett did tell Morris and White. I was missing something, and now I am clear. I ought to have done more thorough research, like finding this:

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/wa...raig-bellamy-to-brisbane-20180523-p4zgyf.html

"Suggestions the club was snooping around behind his back were doused when Bennett backed chief executive Paul White by saying it was his idea to make the call in the first place."

" 'It’s part of a conversation I had a month ago which I organised with the chairman (Karl Morris) and Paul White. We talked about our future going forward as a club. It was all part of the discussion," Bennett said. "I told Paul one of his responsibilities was to get the best coach he could for this club. I initiated it mate. You have to be honest in life. I don’t want it unfolding without me having some control, some part of it. I spent 25 years of my life here.'"

and

"Bennett said he believed White had acted ethically despite not informing him of the meeting, which was between White, Bellamy and a Broncos director in Melbourne.

"I was aware that they were going to talk to him. I wasn’t aware they had. I would have liked to have known. We’re all busy people. A third-party told me about it," Bennett said. "My priority are these players. It would have been nice to know but it’s no big deal. It happens sometimes. I don’t think he did it deliberately."

So it seems from what Wayne said above, the story is now a lot clearer about the Bennett-Bellamy saga, and, it would seem some of the comments on here, IIRC, that either or both the club went behind his back to recruit Bellamy and that Bennett was outraged by that (untruth) are equally wide of the mark.

The real issue then is of course that, after guaranteeing Bennett the job for 2019, the club instead shafted him, which is why he was justly pissed off:

"White went on to guarantee Bennett's tenure for 2019, although whether he remains at the club beyond that depends on available coaches and perhaps Bennett's motivation and health. He will be 69 on January 1.

"We have a coach for 2019. We’re not sitting here today saying who is coaching the Broncos in 2019. That’s Wayne Bennett... I want to be totally clear about that. And take all the noise out of that argument," White said. "We will keep working collectively, that’s everyone within the organisation but particularly Wayne and myself, about what happens beyond 2019."

What a bunch of deadshits

Considering that stuff up I have reservations they will be able to get it right this time.

 

[rnabokov]

Yep, they screwed the pooch royally with the transition. All of White's comments about Wayne being allowed to see out his contract (and the howling of White's fanboys) need to be viewed in light of him trying over and over to negotiate a coaching swap with Souths. As I recall these were agreed to by the two clubs and Siebold but Bennett steadfastly refused to go back on his commitment to the players that he would indeed coach them in 2019. Using any contact between Bennett and Souths, who were telling him the Broncos position that he'd be gone by 2019, as an excuse to sack him without a payout was just a fig leaf so White could brag about saving a few hundred grand - and gross hypocrisy seeing as how Seibold was asked by the Broncos for his input on our team while he was still employed by Souths. They alienated the best coach this club has ever had, the players, a lot of fans and gave an untested 1 year coach with no roots in this club or connection with the players the worst possible start he could have here.

Words just don't do justice to how badly the front office mob fucked this up when they decided their corporate games, personal feuds and balance sheets were more important than the football team.

Stranger, that is such a good summary. Hats off

 

[mrslong]

I have a feeling the media are pushing the Paul Green agenda so that they have plenty of stories to write next year about how Kevin Walters has been snubbed again and the club should have signed him etc etc. It suits their narrative to keep the old boys offside with the Broncos management.

 

[rnabokov]

I have a feeling the media are pushing the Paul Green agenda so that they have plenty of stories to write next year about how Kevin Walters has been snubbed again and the club should have signed him etc etc. It suits their narrative to keep the old boys offside with the Broncos management.

Broncos management are doing enough to ensure that. Fuel to the fire, only they will, or ought to burn, and soon

 

[broncsgoat]

Yep, they screwed the pooch royally with the transition. All of White's comments about Wayne being allowed to see out his contract (and the howling of White's fanboys) need to be viewed in light of him trying over and over to negotiate a coaching swap with Souths. As I recall these were agreed to by the two clubs and Siebold but Bennett steadfastly refused to go back on his commitment to the players that he would indeed coach them in 2019. Using any contact between Bennett and Souths, who were telling him the Broncos position that he'd be gone by 2019, as an excuse to sack him without a payout was just a fig leaf so White could brag about saving a few hundred grand - and gross hypocrisy seeing as how Seibold was asked by the Broncos for his input on our team while he was still employed by Souths. They alienated the best coach this club has ever had, the players, a lot of fans and gave an untested 1 year coach with no roots in this club or connection with the players the worst possible start he could have here.

Words just don't do justice to how badly the front office mob fucked this up when they decided their corporate games, personal feuds and balance sheets were more important than the football team.

The irony of him saving a few hundred grand but it actually costing the club 3-4x that in cash alone (never mind setting us back years on the filed) is testament to how bad a job he actually did.

 

[Shane Tronc]

I reckon CEO and coach are both already decided. Ikin will be CEO, the story put out that they are looking for more candidates is just PR so they can avoid criticism. Same thing with the articles saying Green is in contention.

 

[Sproj]

I reckon CEO and coach are both already decided. Ikin will be CEO, the story put out that they are looking for more candidates is just PR so they can avoid criticism. Same thing with the articles saying Green is in contention.

I sure hope you are right.

 

[rnabokov]

I sure hope you are right.

Who knows with the board we have to have: https://www.broncos.com.au/news/2018/10/31/broncos-announce-coaching-future/

I am looking forward to a "robust (selection) process", equally transparent and thorough, with the whole board participating.

"Morris said Seibold, the 2018 Dally M Coach Of The Year, was the most outstanding candidate among a field of highly credentialed coaches interviewed at length by the selection committee.

The Chairman thanked the other high-quality candidates for their strong presentations. (Obviously not PowerPoint)

"We have been through a robust process and interviewed a number of high-calibre coaches," said Morris.

"Anthony was a stand-out. His football knowledge is exceptional, as is his thinking and process around people management.

"He also has a strong commitment that will add to the commercial and community aspects of our club, which is extremely important to the Brisbane Broncos.

Broncos CEO Paul White said: "We have done a thorough due diligence and as a result we have got the best person for the job in Anthony.

"Our job is to look after the long-term future of this club and that is what we have done through Anthony's appointment.

"Anthony is one of the best young coaches in the game and having him for 2020 is a huge win for our members, players, staff, sponsors and fans.

"Planning is well and truly underway for next season and we are expecting big things from the team – it's a season we can all look forward to."

Yep. 2020. Our strategic Stalingrad, so well mapped and planned.

 

[The Don]

I'll start by saying I am no Super League expert, far from it, however, I did start taking a mild interest into it when Holbrook was first mentioned on the Titans forum months before signing. Hence you could probably expect me to be a SL coach fan. However, in my opinion, even discounting Kev etc. I don't think Wane is the right fit for the Broncos as although he managed some sustained success in the super league, from what I can tell, the competition revolves around a few powerhouse clubs. Wigan is one of those clubs and he received it off Maguire in 2013 who had them top of the table in 2012 (21W 6L). Thus, his title in 2013 was largely I am going to assume off the back of Maguire's team. Yes, he managed wins in 2016 and 2018, and I am sure he is still a high quality coach, but the difference is as much as the Broncos seem to want to stress otherwise, 2021 is looking like a rebuild for the time being, in contrast to the strong squads Wane would have had throughout his time at Wigan. Evidence being they still managed 2nd place after he left and now top of the table 2 years after still.

Holbrook in contrast, received a squad that from all reports was travelling the worst St Helens had been in recent history and transformed them into a team that went 21-2 and 26-3 in his last 2 seasons. It was this rebuilding background in contrast to the bordering on 80% win rate that sold me. Wane seems to be more of a finals/premiership tactician from my limited knowledge as his records there seem better than his seasonal results. Happy to be proven wrong though just saying it is easy to be sucked in by the 69% win rate sprouted by the media.

(Sorry it is all a bit jumbled, the main opinion was he seems more suited to finals coaching than turning around a team as it seems easy to dominate regular season games over there and he has more success in finals (3 premierships) rather then minor premierships (0) etc. Not what you need now imo)

 

[Kooly87]

I'll start by saying I am no Super League expert, far from it, however, I did start taking a mild interest into it when Holbrook was first mentioned on the Titans forum months before signing. Hence you could probably expect me to be a SL coach fan. However, in my opinion, even discounting Kev etc. I don't think Wane is the right fit for the Broncos as although he managed some sustained success in the super league, from what I can tell, the competition revolves around a few powerhouse clubs. Wigan is one of those clubs and he received it off Maguire in 2013 who had them top of the table in 2012 (21W 6L). Thus, his title in 2013 was largely I am going to assume off the back of Maguire's team. Yes, he managed wins in 2016 and 2018, and I am sure he is still a high quality coach, but the difference is as much as the Broncos seem to want to stress otherwise, 2021 is looking like a rebuild for the time being, in contrast to the strong squads Wane would have had throughout his time at Wigan. Evidence being they still managed 2nd place after he left and now top of the table 2 years after still.

Holbrook in contrast, received a squad that from all reports was travelling the worst St Helens had been in recent history and transformed them into a team that went 21-2 and 26-3 in his last 2 seasons. It was this rebuilding background in contrast to the bordering on 80% win rate that sold me. Wane seems to be more of a finals/premiership tactician from my limited knowledge as his records there seem better than his seasonal results. Happy to be proven wrong though just saying it is easy to be sucked in by the 69% win rate sprouted by the media.

(Sorry it is all a bit jumbled, the main opinion was he seems more suited to finals coaching than turning around a team as it seems easy to dominate regular season games over there and he has more success in finals (3 premierships) rather then minor premierships (0) etc. Not what you need now imo)

I do think at some point we'll see a UK Coach given a shot here in the NRL, but I don't think the Broncos are likely to be the guinea pig for that one. With all the resources available they honestly should have the pick of the NRL crop without needing to go to the UK and take what would be a decent size risk on a foreign Coach.

I don't really mean this to sound as arrogant as it might come across (especially as we have no right to be arrogant after this year) but I think that sort of risk is probably more likely to take place eventually at a club like the Tigers or Warriors or even the Titans where there is probably a greater appetite for risk owing to having less ability to draw elite Coaching talent out of Australia compared to their rivals.

 

[Slippin Jimmy]

I do think at some point we'll see a UK Coach given a shot here in the NRL, but I don't think the Broncos are likely to be the guinea pig for that one. With all the resources available they honestly should have the pick of the NRL crop without needing to go to the UK and take what would be a decent size risk on a foreign Coach.

I don't really mean this to sound as arrogant as it might come across (especially as we have no right to be arrogant after this year) but I think that sort of risk is probably more likely to take place eventually at a club like the Tigers or Warriors or even the Titans where there is probably a greater appetite for risk owing to having less ability to draw elite Coaching talent out of Australia compared to their rivals.

The only English coach I remember working as head coach in the NRL is Mal Reilly at the Knights. I don't remember the circumstances of his appointment there (i.e. whether the Knights were a basket case or not), but his results were pretty good. It's surprising that it seemingly hasn't happened again since.

 

[The Don]

I do think at some point we'll see a UK Coach given a shot here in the NRL, but I don't think the Broncos are likely to be the guinea pig for that one. With all the resources available they honestly should have the pick of the NRL crop without needing to go to the UK and take what would be a decent size risk on a foreign Coach.

I don't really mean this to sound as arrogant as it might come across (especially as we have no right to be arrogant after this year) but I think that sort of risk is probably more likely to take place eventually at a club like the Tigers or Warriors or even the Titans where there is probably a greater appetite for risk owing to having less ability to draw elite Coaching talent out of Australia compared to their rivals.

Honestly couldn't agree more although I won't lie the Broncos options currently wouldn't exactly thrill me. Seems to be little love for Green and Walters who majority including myself agree is the best option, still isn't exactly proven at NRL level. In saying that I am rooting for him and hopefully he gets a good team around him for any deficiencies there.

A lot of the coaches who have served apprenticeships in the UK but also had NRL assistant experience seem to have the best crack at the NRL and I guess KW has technically done that. What I didn't even think about before was Wane doesn't have that NRL assistant coaching on his resume which would scare me even more.

 

[Broncapz]

I reckon CEO and coach are both already decided. Ikin will be CEO, the story put out that they are looking for more candidates is just PR so they can avoid criticism. Same thing with the articles saying Green is in contention.

Please be right. The news articles saying that Green is favourite are giving me an aneurysm.

 

[Cult]

Shaun Wane was easily the closest thing to an NRL coach the English comp has seen in a while. He had Wigan playing like the Storm (dirty as ****), focused on their defence and wrestling and forwards getting them on the front foot, instead of relying on individual brilliance from ex-NRL players.

 

[Sproj]

Shaun Wane was easily the closest thing to an NRL coach the English comp has seen in a while. He had Wigan playing like the Storm (dirty as ****), focused on their defence and wrestling and forwards getting them on the front foot, instead of relying on individual brilliance from ex-NRL players.

But at the Broncos, as soon as the players try to do what every other team gets away with, they get penalised.

 

[Kooly87]

Honestly couldn't agree more although I won't lie the Broncos options currently wouldn't exactly thrill me. Seems to be little love for Green and Walters who majority including myself agree is the best option, still isn't exactly proven at NRL level. In saying that I am rooting for him and hopefully he gets a good team around him for any deficiencies there.

A lot of the coaches who have served apprenticeships in the UK but also had NRL assistant experience seem to have the best crack at the NRL and I guess KW has technically done that. What I didn't even think about before was Wane doesn't have that NRL assistant coaching on his resume which would scare me even more.

Correct on Wane, and given his stature in the UK it's highly unlikely he'd ever come here to be anything other than a Head Coach so he'd be coming in completely cold turkey. I'm not saying it couldn't work either, I just don't see the Broncos being the club to take that risk first.

 

[Kooly87]

The only English coach I remember working as head coach in the NRL is Mal Reilly at the Knights. I don't remember the circumstances of his appointment there (i.e. whether the Knights were a basket case or not), but his results were pretty good. It's surprising that it seemingly hasn't happened again since.

I think that's probably because the quality of the English game was pretty much spectacularly driven off a cliff in terms of quality since Reilly's era.