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[Cult]

I'm not sure sorry mate, I'm only really interested in arguing what is in front of me here. Perhaps neither of those players had a question mark over their head for swearing at the ref, and ending up in a position where the judicary would get involved to look at things with a fine tooth comb.

And yet they still found no proof of him swearing at the ref. There was 100% proof of Luai pushing one though, and the rule books state that they are literally a protected species. Players get suspended for touching refs, that's the blanket rule. Intentional or not, and this wasn't entirely accidental. He pushed the ref, just so happens he didn't realize it was a ref. Why is he pushing people anyway?

 

[Cult]

@Browny @Jason Simmons - Update to the scenario. I'm a bit of a grub in general, so you know of me, but you can still clearly see that in this moment, shit was an accident. Would you still charge me?

Follow up question for the two of you. Someone swears at their mate in front of you, how long are they locked up for?

 

[Renegade]

Follow up question for the two of you. Someone swears at their mate in front of you, how long are they locked up for?

A mate of mine dressed in a banana suit said yelled **** you and gave the finger to his mate who was nearby police. spent the rest of his 21st in lockup.

 

[Nashy]

Follow up question for the two of you. Someone swears at their mate in front of you, how long are they locked up for?

Swears at their mate in the middle of the crowded central station at the top of their lungs. Which is of course against the law.

 

[Cult]

A mate of mine dressed in a banana suit said yelled **** you and gave the finger to his mate who was nearby police. spent the rest of his 21st in lockup.

Probably should have just pushed him

 

[Nashy]

And yet they still found no proof of him swearing at the ref. There was 100% proof of Luai pushing one though, and the rule books state that they are literally a protected species. Players get suspended for touching refs, that's the blanket rule. Intentional or not, and this wasn't entirely accidental. He pushed the ref, just so happens he didn't realize it was a ref. Why is he pushing people anyway?

We wasn't charged with swearing at the ref, he was charged with Contrary Conduct. I covered this a few posts above.

 

[Nashy]

Probably should have just pushed him

I'm assuming in your example that you yelled it on purpose and not by accident. If that's wrong I admit, you're completely right and it's the same thing.

 

[Cult]

Swears at their mate in the middle of the crowded central station at the top of their lungs. Which is of course against the law.

Pushing someone out of the way with your hand is not accidental though. Bumping into them might be but there's a literal act of pushing that can not be disputed. Intent to injure might lessen the case, but even so, accidents don't make things perfectly legal. And swearing in public is illegal in Australia. But we have somehow created this argument.

Can you swear at your mate in public?
Can you push, using your hands, a police officer?

Easy to see which one should cop a worse punishment, even if they might not need a punishment at all. In Walsh's case, there is still 100% proof that the police officer was pushed and no proof that you swore at the police officer.

The charge states contrary conduct, sure. But three weeks for contrary conduct isn't ok either. Despite the charge name, he was only suspended for swearing at the ref in which there was zero proof. He was asked to travel to Sydney and argue his case in an unwinnable case because the NRL already had their mind made up.

 

[Cult]

I'm assuming in your example that you yelled it on purpose and not by accident. If that's wrong I admit, you're completely right and it's the same thing.

You're wrong here. Luai didn't accidentally push someone. He had intent to push, it just so happened that it was someone he's not allowed to push. If he bumped into the ref accidentally, sure. But that's not what happened. He literally uses his hand to push him out of the way.

 

[Nashy]

Pushing someone out of the way with your hand is not accidental though. Bumping into them might be but there's a literal act of pushing that can not be disputed. Intent to injure might lessen the case, but even so, accidents don't make things perfectly legal. And swearing in public is illegal in Australia. But we have somehow created this argument.

Can you swear at your mate in public?
Can you push, using your hands, a police officer?

Easy to see which one should cop a worse punishment, even if they might not need a punishment at all. In Walsh's case, there is still 100% proof that the police officer was pushed and no proof that you swore at the police officer.

The charge states contrary conduct, sure. But three weeks for contrary conduct isn't ok either. Despite the charge name, he was only suspended for swearing at the ref in which there was zero proof. He was asked to travel to Sydney and argue his case in an unwinnable case because the NRL already had their mind made up.

I'm going to let the police officers on the forum answer, I think from the way I tagged them and questioned them, you know full well what my opinion is in what they would do. "Meh".

If you walked up to one of them and screamed in their face calling them a ****, and you said it was actually directed at your mate, I dare say they would have more to say, or possibly a form of charge.

 

[Jason Simmons]

@Browny @Jason Simmons

I'd like to know what would happen if I was running to a train through central station in a crowd, and I was running through those people, and one of them happened to be you. I accidentally hit you, I turn around and apologise and continue on my way.

Second scenario. I don't turn around and apologise due to the crowd and not even realising, but you can clearly see it was accidental.

How long am I in prison for?

Long enough to understand the difference between 5 cents and 50 cents…

 

[Cult]

I'm going to let the police officers on the forum answer, I think from the way I tagged them and questioned them, you know full well what my opinion is in what they would do. "Meh".

If you walked up to one of them and screamed in their face calling them a ****, and you said it was actually directed at your mate, I dare say they would have more to say, or possibly a form of charge.

But that isn't what happened. Using words like "in their face" is just your attempt to twist what Walsh did. Lets ask BHQ as a whole.

Do you believe Walsh screamed "****" in the refs face?

 

[Jason Simmons]

@Browny @Jason Simmons - Update to the scenario. I'm a bit of a grub in general, so you know of me, but you can still clearly see that in this moment, shit was an accident. Would you still charge me?

Probably not.

You never know, I might be cranky…

 

[Cult]

Probably not.

You never know, I might be cranky…

You're not getting bumped into. A serial grub pushes you out of the way with his hands when there's plenty of room to walk around you, not accidentally bumping into you in a crowded space.

 

[Jason Simmons]

You're not getting bumped into. A serial grub pushes you out of the way with his hands when there's plenty of room to walk around you, not accidentally bumping into you in a crowded space.

That would be assault.

 

[Cult]

That would be assault.

As you can see here, your honor, my client Jerome Luai is in a crowded space and just had to make his train. There was no space either left or right of him so he had to place his hands on the officer to push him out of the way to celebrate the arrival of his train.

 

[Jason Simmons]

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As you can see here, your honor, my client Jerome Luai is in a crowded space and just had to make his train. There was no space either left or right of him so he had to place his hands on the officer to push him out of the way to celebrate the arrival of his train.

Assaults are unlawful unless authorised, justified or excused by law…

So…

 

[FACTHUNT]

James Hooper said he thinks Walsh should have got more weeks, even after comparing it to the Brandon Smith incident.

James Hooper's voice makes me wish I was deaf and his bald munted face makes me wish I was blind.