Anthony Seibold is no longer our coach

Kooly87

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I have another view or angle. I don't believe enough people understand that a 24/25 year old man( only talking about males here ) can be a child, an overgrown teenager, an unsteady first time adult, a well adjusted age appropriate adult or an old soul in a young body.

That's exactly why I wouldn't write off Brodie Croft or Ash Taylor or anyone for that matter. I mean, look at someone like Pat Carrigan and there I see an old soul in a young body. He seems mature way beyond his years. I swear if I only had last years ISC teams and Sydney comp teams to pick from I could find a squad that could compete. If you can find the right trigger, touch the heart of anyone you can coax a level of performance from them that even they themselves would find hard to believe.

People tend to pigeon hole themselves and some lower graders stay lower graders due to false self belief. Getting told at 22 that you're never going to make it has cost hundreds of players a chance simply because they believed some shit judges, hell, even good judges.
Yes, hard to argue with any of that.

I also think there is a percentage of players who for a range of non-football related reasons just can't commit to the level of training and work required to get to that next level, be that through personal choice and commitment or through external life pressures.

Some players really could probably make that next leap if they could just crack that Top 30 and get enough income to quit their job, train full time in a more professional and probably more targeted environment and that is all they need to get to the standard required to play regular NRL.

It's such a fine line for a lot of these guys and you do have to wonder how many Jamal Fogarty's are out there just needing a small slice of luck to dramatically change their career.
 

heartly87

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That segment was ok for 5 minutes but after seeing the "trend" twice we should have moved on, I can see why the boys zoned out, Seibs just drones on and on. Could you imagine 8 or so hours of him saying the same thing over and over counting to three. You would want to put your head through a wall.
 

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Not being sour but it actually is so much more boring than Matt Elliott, and Elliott was infamously dry. I loved these videos but struggled to get through this one.

When Elliot was coach at Penrith, Petero had to pull him aside and say- I get it I understand it but 29 other guys do not- you need to change your style.
 

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Yes, hard to argue with any of that.

I also think there is a percentage of players who for a range of non-football related reasons just can't commit to the level of training and work required to get to that next level, be that through personal choice and commitment or through external life pressures.

Some players really could probably make that next leap if they could just crack that Top 30 and get enough income to quit their job, train full time in a more professional and probably more targeted environment and that is all they need to get to the standard required to play regular NRL.

It's such a fine line for a lot of these guys and you do have to wonder how many Jamal Fogarty's are out there just needing a small slice of luck to dramatically change their career.
In my opinion only one or two percent of the kids who play rugby league at say, 13 go on to nrl. Of the rest probably 30% could play well enough to play some first grade given an ideal scenario. Here I'm only saying it's possible because this claim takes nothing else into consideration. I mean there's positions within the team that are rudimentary, that are not complex in any real way so catching the ball, running straight and hard and tackling what's in front of you describes at least a couple of roles.

There's been players I'm sure who simply played the game because they enjoyed it and while they may have daydreamed about scoring the matchwinner in the gf or origin they have no real aspirations of such glory. It doesn't mean they couldn't have achieved first grade.

Sometimes the only thing that stopped a progression is a single ill timed event, perhaps like the death of a parent when a kid was 15 and the profound effect such a thing could have. In such a scenario the lad might stop playing for months which stretches into years. Another Maranta lost, not a superstar but at least capable of first grade.

I'll bet there's dozens of ISC/Canterbury Cup players who could be nrl players if all their external needs were met or satisfied.
 

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In my opinion only one or two percent of the kids who play rugby league at say, 13 go on to nrl. Of the rest probably 30% could play well enough to play some first grade given an ideal scenario. Here I'm only saying it's possible because this claim takes nothing else into consideration. I mean there's positions within the team that are rudimentary, that are not complex in any real way so catching the ball, running straight and hard and tackling what's in front of you describes at least a couple of roles.

There's been players I'm sure who simply played the game because they enjoyed it and while they may have daydreamed about scoring the matchwinner in the gf or origin they have no real aspirations of such glory. It doesn't mean they couldn't have achieved first grade.

Sometimes the only thing that stopped a progression is a single ill timed event, perhaps like the death of a parent when a kid was 15 and the profound effect such a thing could have. In such a scenario the lad might stop playing for months which stretches into years. Another Maranta lost, not a superstar but at least capable of first grade.

I'll bet there's dozens of ISC/Canterbury Cup players who could be nrl players if all their external needs were met or satisfied.

Michael Roberts is a good example of that, played 250 ISC games and won three comps but the NRL always wanted him to do free train and trial deals and he couldn't afford to quit teaching to do it. Ended up with 5 NRL games but could have been more.
 

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When Elliot was coach at Penrith, Petero had to pull him aside and say- I get it I understand it but 29 other guys do not- you need to change your style.
Exactly this. One of the major challenges i think seibold experienced was that he coached/taught people how it made sense to him rather than looking at his team and coaching/teaching them in a method that met their needs.

I think that may be why WB and bellamy have been so successful. They keep things simple for the majority of the team and gave the strategy/game plan to the players with brains i.e lockyer,alf, kevie, cronk, smith etc.
 

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Exactly this. One of the major challenges i think seibold experienced was that he coached/taught people how it made sense to him rather than looking at his team and coaching/teaching them in a method that met their needs.

I think that may be why WB and bellamy have been so successful. They keep things simple for the majority of the team and gave the strategy/game plan to the players with brains i.e lockyer,alf, kevie, cronk, smith etc.
It's worth noting they're all spine players but not every spine player has that capacity. I get the impression a lot (like Milford) play pure off instinct and probably couldnt tell you why they did what they did when. It probably felt "good"and so they went with it.
In the end you need to build a Melbourne storm in years, not months, picking players for purpose.
Bennet and Walters will see what they have got and make it work. A player here to fix up a deficiency or lend to a team strength but no epic over-arching plan like siebold or Bellamy.
It's probably why players go away from the storm and fall away a little.
The funny thing is Bellamy also has a Milford type player in Munster (and before him Slater) but they're few and the team works for them, not the other way.
I think that is what Walters wants at the broncos with Milford. Unlike the storm the players plans around what he does will be looser (hence the older croft but less individually accomplished and not the younger self-confident dearden) with the spine swallowing their own creativity a bit to work with him and then organising the others. Milford is Walter's langer, and croft will be the modern Walters.
The question will be if players like Isaako, croft, Turpin and Asiata can drive the others.
I suppose it begs the question of why put all your eggs in the one basket with Milford and the answer is pretty simple: there's no one else with that X Factor. No one else can pull a rabbit out of a hat and dominate.
Milford is the kind of player who grows with more ball in hand. Walters has stake his coaching career on it.
 
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Exactly this. One of the major challenges i think seibold experienced was that he coached/taught people how it made sense to him rather than looking at his team and coaching/teaching them in a method that met their needs.

I think that may be why WB and bellamy have been so successful. They keep things simple for the majority of the team and gave the strategy/game plan to the players with brains i.e lockyer,alf, kevie, cronk, smith etc.
I dearly hope he hasn't staked his coaching career on it. In fact, I hope we allow him to stick around long enough to at least try plan B if what he has to work with at the moment does not work. After all, this is the clusterfuck left behind by the last bluffer. I think all we should be hoping for is to see a marked improvement to confirm that Kevvie is able to coach at this level and then we'll need to remain patient until such times as he is able to build the team he wants.
 

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It's worth noting they're all spine players but not every spine player has that capacity. I get the impression a lot (like Milford) play pure off instinct and probably couldnt tell you why they did what they did when. It probably felt "good"and so they went with it.
In the end you need to build a Melbourne storm in years, not months, picking players for purpose.
Bennet and Walters will see what they have got and make it work. A player here to fix up a deficiency or lend to a team strength but no epic over-arching plan like siebold or Bellamy.
It's probably why players go away from the storm and fall away a little.
The funny thing is Bellamy also has a Milford type player in Munster (and before him Slater) but they're few and the team works for them, not the other way.
I think that is what Walters wants at the broncos with Milford. Unlike the storm the players plans around what he does will be looser (hence the older croft but less individually accomplished and not the younger self-confident dearden) with the spine swallowing their own creativity a bit to work with him and then organising the others. Milford is Walter's langer, and croft will be the modern Walters.
The question will be if players like Isaako, croft, Turpin and Asiata can drive the others.
I suppose it begs the question of why put all your eggs in the one basket with Milford and the answer is pretty simple: there's no one else with that X Factor. No one else can pull a rabbit out of a hat and dominate.
Milford is the kind of player who grows with more ball in hand. Walters has stake his coaching career on it.

Nice post but I don't think Dearden is self-confident, he appears to actually be a bit timid.
 

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I want us to win of course, but now I really want us to win well. Whether that be through a big score or just great execution just so I can hear his analysis through extremely clenched teeth.
 

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I want us to win of course, but now I really want us to win well. Whether that be through a big score or just great execution just so I can hear his analysis through extremely clenched teeth.

You mean Seibold? Why would you want to listen to him? He has the personality of a wet sock and a voice like nails on a chalk board.
 

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You mean Seibold? Why would you want to listen to him? He has the personality of a wet sock and a voice like nails on a chalk board.

Indeed he does. I'd just like to hear what he says about us after a good win though. Hopefully there will be tears.
 

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May not interest everyone now the Seibold era is in the rear view mirror but here’s the latest podcast in which he’s appeared.. and it’s by far his most candid in terms of what went wrong up here, at least in his words.
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May not interest everyone now the Seibold era is in the rear view mirror but here’s the latest podcast in which he’s appeared.. and it’s by far his most candid in terms of what went wrong up here, at least in his words.
**** that **** to **** and back. Even the sound of his voice is enough to trigger my gag reflex.
 

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