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I think SOK was better than Lyon but he was also a massive tool, so only has himself to blame for not getting more of a run.

Sangha is the one to watch, though nowhere near ready.
 
The True King said:
You're probably one of those weird people that thinks Clarke was better than Steve Smith based purely on test caps, test runs and test tons.


I'm comparing Lyon to guys of similar ilk, i.e. Harbajhan, Shah etc. I also compared him to SOK (being Australian and of a similar generation). I made a comparison to Leach, who is far ahead of where Lyon was at a similar point in his career.

I didn't bother comparing him to Ashwin/Jadeja because that would be a waste of time as they are both far superior bowlers. There are plenty more in that category.

I'm not saying we have a better option or that I know who the next Warne is. I just truly don't understand why people use the volume of wickets as an argument as to why he can't be questioned, he's played so many tests because we haven't bothered to take a look at anyone else (again he was picked on a 34av in FC and no one else in his generation has been given that shot).

I think our hesitance to give someone else a go stems from the struggles to replace Warne. That's fair enough and I accept there aren't obvious alternatives but Lyon's wicket tally really isn't that impressive when you put it into context.
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They judge him on wickets because end of the day that's what matters the most.

Plenty of people had a go after Warne, Lyon is by the far the best we've had since Warne.
 
BroncosFever said:
They judge him on wickets because end of the day that's what matters the most.

Plenty of people had a go after Warne, Lyon is by the far the best we've had since Warne.
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If we're judging bowlers purely on total wickets to assess their greatness then the same logic would apply to batsmen and runs.

In which case, Alistair Cook is better than Hayden, Langer, Taylor and Warner.
 
The True King said:
How is Smith better?

Clarke scored 8,500 test runs (more than Smith), played more tests and has more test 100s.
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I understand the route you're trying to take, but it doesn't work, and makes you look even stupider.
 
Heads batting very well. I think he saw what Butler was doing and thought that's the best way to bat especially when you've started running out of partners.
 
Head gets 100 here and it would definitely go a long way to earning the respect of the greater public, he's never really been on the right side of Australia despite being able to chime in with a 30-40 quite regularly.

A long way off but he's going well
 
The True King said:
I just used your own logic against you to prove you wrong.

Haha thanks for ending the discussion.
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No, you used a childing argument comparing someone with 70+ to 100+ tests, claiming it's the same thing as 15ish tests to 100+ tests.
 
The True King said:
How is Smith better?

Clarke scored 8,500 test runs (more than Smith), played more tests and has more test 100s.
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Are you okay mate?
Smith
Games: 77
Runs: 7540
Average: 61.80
Record: 27/31
High Score: 239
Clarke
Games: 115
Runs: 8,643
Average: 49.10
Record: 28/27
High score: 329*

Clarke has played 38 more games and has got 1 more 100 and less 50’s. As well as only 1000 more runs. Steve shits on him in every way (batting wise) except for high score but if you want to use that as your method of judgement Warner is better than both of them.
 
wonder what their plan is/was with anderson and broad, because this is gonna get ugly
 
did the poms walk under every ladder in brisbane before this match or something?
 
Fitzy said:
Are you okay mate?
Smith
Games: 77
Runs: 7540
Average: 61.80
Record: 27/31
High Score: 239
Clarke
Games: 115
Runs: 8,643
Average: 49.10
Record: 28/27
High score: 329*

Clarke has played 38 more games and has got 1 more 100 and less 50’s. As well as only 1000 more runs. Steve shits on him in every way (batting wise) except for high score but if you want to use that as your method of judgement Warner is better than both of them.
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Average only comes into consideration when the wickets column is more and thus makes his argument require a secondary stat to back up such a wild claim

He's looking like a fool here though, Leach is going for near on 10 an over
 
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